Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (46 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Used their common sense asked for staggered starts or just say what are you talking about I didn’t watch it.

Employees don't pick their start times.


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[Terry Gibson's perm]

Employees don't pick their start times.


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Clever ones do I am an employee and I have just said what time I am starting and finishing and they have said no problem

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I left my Mrs. & kids doing a Joe Wicks workout this morning & he was using a spinning colour disc to let luck/fate decide which exercise to do next....

....I reckon they've got one in Cabinet Office Briefing Room A.

...How else did they reach the decisions like the one to finally (plan to) quarantine passengers from incoming flights.....unless they come from France??

Its like someone has found an old script for an old Monty Python sketch that was canned as too farcical!

 

[tisza]

spoke to a friend in Paris this morning as lockdown being eased there. Said it was chaos on public transport and the metro - zero distancing even though nearly everyone masks.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Maybe the actual documentation will be fantastic and provide the clarity we all need. I'm clinging to that and that it can be broken down and distributed well to the people.

 

[David O'Day]

Clever ones do I am an employee and I have just said what time I am starting and finishing and they have said no problem

Lucky you most people don't get to pick their start times

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Maybe the actual documentation will be fantastic and provide the clarity we all need. I'm clinging to that and that it can be broken down and distributed well to the people.

Isn't it 50 pages?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Isn't it 50 pages?

Indeed it is

 

[David O'Day]

With regards to the earlier conversation about Elon Musk.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

With regards to the earlier conversation about Elon Musk.

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He didn't say the year to be fair

 

[RegTheDonk]

Question to the teachers of the group, I know there's a few. What do you make of the Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 kids phased back?

I can see the Year 6s being OK, they should be able to respect and understand keeping to (I assume) their own desks, keeping their distances in the playground or the dinner hall.

The young 'uns though, it's going to be a nightmare surely making them understand they can't play or be with their friends. All that cross contamination going back to parent's homes.

I get the feeling they just want a creche so people can get back to work.

 

[clint van damme]

Cameron oversaw 6 years of austerity which has completely stripped away the government's capacity to act. Why can't we quarantine flights coming in? Partly because the UK Border Force has been cut significantly most notably post 2010, May of course was Home Secretary at the time of all this.

As for Hague, his voting record is straight out of the same book as the rest.

Christ it's depressing. I genuinely worry where will be by the end of this clowns tenure

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Lucky you most people don't get to pick their start times

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You can call it luck if you want.

I just said these are the hours I will be working take it or leave it and they may as well take it as I would have just done those hours anyway, the luck I have is we have a good union who if I went to them would probably get the hours reduced further.

 

[Grendel]

So who on this thread has been asked back to work?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

So who on this thread has been asked back to work?

I was already there but missed the last week and a half as I had Covid.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Question to the teachers of the group, I know there's a few. What do you make of the Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 kids phased back?

I can see the Year 6s being OK, they should be able to respect and understand keeping to (I assume) their own desks, keeping their distances in the playground or the dinner hall.

The young 'uns though, it's going to be a nightmare surely making them understand they can't play or be with their friends. All that cross contamination going back to parent's homes.

I get the feeling they just want a creche so people can get back to work.

Can't speak for the primary school teachers but would imagine as they only have 1 class to look after they could halve the numbers in each group and get 'spare' staff from other years to cover. Years 7-9 could probably manage on remote learning for the remainder of term but Year 10 and 12 really do need at least some time in the classroom if just for a few days to get things in order. The number one priority though is Year 6 for both primary and secondary as the jump is scary enough for most even in normal times

 

[David O'Day]

You can call it luck if you want.

I just said these are the hours I will be working take it or leave it and they may as well take it as I would have just done those hours anyway, the luck I have is we have a good union who if I went to them would probably get the hours reduced further.

Sound but as already said most people have to turn up when their employers say they have to and yet you call them selfish.

Utter walloper

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Christ it's depressing. I genuinely worry where will be by the end of this clowns tenure

At least 400 seats off the back of 'Get Corona Done'

 

[Grendel]

Sound but as already said most people have to turn up when their employers say they have to and yet you call them selfish.

Utter whopper

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Which Burger King are you In again?

 

[clint van damme]

With regards to the earlier conversation about Elon Musk.

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This is like Tim Martin here. People have succeeded in one field think that makes them an expert at everything.
And people keep giving them.platforms to spout their bollocks (I appreciate this was on Twitter).
That's why the prick got into the argument with the cave diver because he thought he knew more than someone who'd been involved in dozens of similar operations.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Sound but as already said most people have to turn up when their employers say they have to and yet you call them selfish.

Utter walloper

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I will bet you that most other areas that went back went back with some sense, the self important of London is all rush rush. The other question is where were they all going. TfL should have closed the gates to the tubes to limit the numbers.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I will bet you that most other areas that went back went back with some sense, the self important of London is all rush rush. The other question is where were they all going. TfL should have closed the gates to the tubes to limit the numbers.

Here's a thought maybe the clown could have provided more than 12 hours' notice

 

[fernandopartridge]

So who on this thread has been asked back to work?

My employer had already made the decision to close the office until the end of the July at the earliest, and even after that only partially open. I have not stopped working, but I work exclusively for a client in any case whose office is also closed.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Here's a thought maybe the clown could have provided more than 12 hours' notice

You would think so but I guess it depended when Cummings let him out of his box

 

[shmmeee]

Why are serious scientists suggesting there is one then? Or is the range the estimated R value between all of those settings?

I mean there is one if you take national data, it’ll just be less accurate than a more regional one. I’d guess that scientists, unlike the media and the general public, are more comfortable with data with error bars.

 

[Grendel]

Can't speak for the primary school teachers but would imagine as they only have 1 class to look after they could halve the numbers in each group and get 'spare' staff from other years to cover. Years 7-9 could probably manage on remote learning for the remainder of term but Year 10 and 12 really do need at least some time in the classroom if just for a few days to get things in order. The number one priority though is Year 6 for both primary and secondary as the jump is scary enough for most even in normal times

What conditions would be required fir teachers to go back to work and consider the environment safe? And when is this likely to happen?

 

[wingy]

Christ it's depressing. I genuinely worry where will be by the end of this clowns tenure

I do wonder if much of the current problem is compounded by franchising out of Gov't and local authority , health bodies etc .
Lengthening the chain of command , Negating the ability to follow a central simple edict and introducing complicating legalities.
Seems like commercial entities who wished to join initiatives hit a vacuum with their enquiries.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

What conditions would be required fir teachers to go back to work and consider the environment safe? And when is this likely to happen?

Distancing will be a problem they are fairly close in my boys school

 

[Grendel]

Distancing will be a problem they are fairly close in my boys school

So when would you feel safe with your child going to school - and I assume the safety is not the child but infecting others?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Question to the teachers of the group, I know there's a few. What do you make of the Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 kids phased back?

I can see the Year 6s being OK, they should be able to respect and understand keeping to (I assume) their own desks, keeping their distances in the playground or the dinner hall.

The young 'uns though, it's going to be a nightmare surely making them understand they can't play or be with their friends. All that cross contamination going back to parent's homes.

I get the feeling they just want a creche so people can get back to work.

You're absolutely right about a creche.
What the hell hope is there of ensuring YR Y1 Y2 of keeping their distance, wiping their snotty noses and washing their hands after going to the toilet ?
Its a hotbed of spreading colds and coughs ordinarily so covid will love it. Are we going to have a T.A. permanently positioned outside the toilets to let one in at a time and then apply hand sanitiser on the way out ? I don't think so.
Besides, the kids can do a bit or reading, writing, colouring in at home. It ain't rocket science. Lots of these parents are too fucking lazy to bother.
. Keep KS1 at home until September.
Yes , I'm a teacher.

 

[wingy]

What conditions would be required fir teachers to go back to work and consider the environment safe? And when is this likely to happen?

I still wonder if a summer camp scenario is the safest way to overcome the problem of children bringing it home from school.
Although the data is incomplete as to whether they are big spreaders.
It may be the bigger risk is via drop off and pick up time .
Maybe that is the area that needs work .
Teachers with health issues or BAME backgrounds would need shielding.

 

[djr8369]

So who on this thread has been asked back to work?

Been in all along. JLR sent a company wide email last night saying no new info so will carry on with their own plan to reopen until more detailed guidance is published.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

So when would you feel safe with your child going to school - and I assume the safety is not the child but infecting others?

It’s a difficult one as we have had Covid and they assuming that our kids have as well as my wife showed no signs. I am guessing it year one to start work for the sats otherwise I can see now point, I thought it would be a fresh start in September for all and would be more comfortable with that. Having a daughter that is on the list to be shielded muddies the water further

 

[Ian1779]

Question to the teachers of the group, I know there's a few. What do you make of the Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 kids phased back?

I can see the Year 6s being OK, they should be able to respect and understand keeping to (I assume) their own desks, keeping their distances in the playground or the dinner hall.

The young 'uns though, it's going to be a nightmare surely making them understand they can't play or be with their friends. All that cross contamination going back to parent's homes.

I get the feeling they just want a creche so people can get back to work.

Again can’t speak for the primaries directly, but would assume the rationale for Year 6 is to try and put in some kind of transition process for their move to secondary. Reception and Y1 possibly the idea of allowing parents to return to work.. but like you said social distancing is near on impossible to achieve in the size of these school environments - never mind with under 6’s that are naturally tactile with each other and the adults. Someone else might argue about reception kids needing to develop reading etc but it’s a bit of a thin argument to bring them back in IMO....

As Brighton also said about getting Y10 and Y12 in - anything before the summer would help them, but that has its own issue in the fact that not everyone will come in (actually very few I think will go to school now before September) and if you then deliver new content you just exacerbate the gaps in cohorts which already exist anyway. I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up having to adjust/predict their grades again in some way when we get to Summer 2021.

 

[wingy]

I mean there is one if you take national data, it’ll just be less accurate than a more regional one. I’d guess that scientists, unlike the media and the general public, are more comfortable with data with error bars.

Sounds nightmarish to manage in a micro manner , across a smallish nation with internal borders