Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (10 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

I honestly thing the senior Tories need to do something. This mob are absolutely useless.
Get rid and bring in some experienced heads. Johnson clearly isn't up to it.
He's had a reputation for being lazy and uninterested in every position he's held and it's showing.
I appreciate he was ill but the tweet earlier from the FT showing how few appearances he's made since the start of the year was damning.

Who knows, maybe some of his cabinet might perform a bit better under a proper leader. I doubt it because they appear go be a bunch of cretins but you never know

Sorry clint - what do you mean senior tories? Boris Johnson is a senior tory. This is all they have. This is their absolute limitations exposed. The Conservative party is a rotten rotten entity whose sole purpose is to support further enrichment of the very wealthy. If anybody else gets some coincidental crumbs from the table then good, they can be a rump of voters to rely on.

 

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[djr8369]

Blimey even This Morning are going for the jugular.


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[Ian1779]

Does anybody know the methodology for calculating 'R'? Assuming R is very different in different places, is the "between 0.5 and 0.9" really a weighted average of different local areas?

The real R or that shower of shite R he put on his PPT slide yesterday?

 

[clint van damme]

Sorry clint - what do you mean senior tories? Boris Johnson is a senior tory. This is all they have. This is their absolute limitations exposed. The Conservative party is a rotten rotten entity whose sole purpose is to support further enrichment of the very wealthy. If anybody else gets some coincidental crumbs from the table then good, they can be a rump of voters to rely on.

We always hear off there grandees in the background. Maybe they could get Cameron or May or even Hague back.

I know that sounds desperate because they're not exactly.political heavyweights but that's how poor I think Johnson is performing.
At least they'd show up for work!
I honestly think his tenure is going to be viewed as catastrophic and we need rid ASAP.

 

[clint van damme]

Does anybody know the methodology for calculating 'R'? Assuming R is very different in different places, is the "between 0.5 and 0.9" really a weighted average of different local areas?

What is COVID-19's R number – and why does it matter?

This is a decent article

More than one methodology of calculating and more difficult calculating it for a new disease which probably contributed towards the disparity

 

[shmmeee]

Does anybody know the methodology for calculating 'R'? Assuming R is very different in different places, is the "between 0.5 and 0.9" really a weighted average of different local areas?

Yeah and it’s always an estimate. Thing I saw said you get different R values depending on whether you’re looking at deaths (accurate but time lagged) or cases (more recent but dependent on test strategy) and that R values from one place can’t be used to inform other areas. So you will get a different R depending on if say you’re looking at care home deaths in the Midlands or overall cases in London, then you weight and adjust for time depending on what you want to look at. So an overall R for the U.K. would be of limited utility.

 

[PVA]

Well this is going to end well isn't it?

Just utterly unbelievable. I cannot believe what is happening.

Does Boris like killing people or something?

 

[David O'Day]

We always hear off there grandees in the background. Maybe they could get Cameron or May or even Hague back.

I know that sounds desperate because they're not exactly.political heavyweights but that's how poor I think Johnson is performing.
At least they'd show up for work!
I honestly think his tenure is going to be viewed as catastrophic and we need rid ASAP.

The grandees have gone.

The last of the real back bench big cats stood down at the last election.

There is a serious lack of talent on the parliamentary conservative party

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[djr8369]

We always hear off there grandees in the background. Maybe they could get Cameron or May or even Hague back.

I know that sounds desperate because they're not exactly.political heavyweights but that's how poor I think Johnson is performing.
At least they'd show up for work!
I honestly think his tenure is going to be viewed as catastrophic and we need rid ASAP.

As many said could have had an emergency cabinet of national unity. Would have worked in their favour as they share the blame of any mistakes. Now it’s all on them.


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[chiefdave]

Does anybody know the methodology for calculating 'R'? Assuming R is very different in different places, is the "between 0.5 and 0.9" really a weighted average of different local areas?

In the U.K. we are basically making a rough estimate as we aren’t carrying out enough testing to give an accurate R number.

We’re taking the data we do have, such as deaths and hospitalisations, and trying to extrapolate that to give an R number but who knows how accurate it is. Some calculations give a huge range, have seen things like its between 0.5 and 1.5.

 

[PVA]

I honestly thing the senior Tories need to do something. This mob are absolutely useless.
Get rid and bring in some experienced heads. Johnson clearly isn't up to it.
He's had a reputation for being lazy and uninterested in every position he's held and it's showing.
I appreciate he was ill but the tweet earlier from the FT showing how few appearances he's made since the start of the year was damning.

Who knows, maybe some of his cabinet might perform a bit better under a proper leader. I doubt it because they appear go be a bunch of cretins but you never know

Unfortunately all the sensible Tories, and there were some very good ones, got sacked after they dared to oppose dear Boris, or resigned.

The likes of Grieve, Clarke, Stewart, Gauke, Letwin etc. All good politicians with the country's best interest at heart.

Now we're stuck with this utter clown show, a cabinet picked on their Brexit stance rather than their abilities.

 

[David O'Day]

Unfortunately all the sensible Tories, and there were some very good ones, got sacked after they dared to oppose dear Boris, or resigned.

The likes of Grieve, Clarke, Stewart, Gauke, Letwin etc. All good politicians with the country's best interest at heart.

Now we're stuck with this utter clown show, a cabinet picked on their Brexit stance rather than their abilities.

They even sacked Julian Smith even though he was the only cabinet member to be successful at his brief.

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

Well this is going to end well isn't it?

Just utterly unbelievable. I cannot believe what is happening.

Does Boris like killing people or something?

It was always going to happen the people of London are the most self important people with no patience

 

[fernandopartridge]

We always hear off there grandees in the background. Maybe they could get Cameron or May or even Hague back.

I know that sounds desperate because they're not exactly.political heavyweights but that's how poor I think Johnson is performing.
At least they'd show up for work!
I honestly think his tenure is going to be viewed as catastrophic and we need rid ASAP.

Cameron oversaw 6 years of austerity which has completely stripped away the government's capacity to act. Why can't we quarantine flights coming in? Partly because the UK Border Force has been cut significantly most notably post 2010, May of course was Home Secretary at the time of all this.

As for Hague, his voting record is straight out of the same book as the rest.

 

[David O'Day]

It was always going to happen the people of London are the most self important people with no patience

As they were told last night to go back to work what else can they do?

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[fernandopartridge]

So an overall R for the U.K. would be of limited utility.

Why are serious scientists suggesting there is one then? Or is the range the estimated R value between all of those settings?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

As they were told last night to go back to work what else can they do?

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Used their common sense asked for staggered starts or just say what are you talking about I didn’t watch it.

 

[Ian1779]

Yeah and it’s always an estimate. Thing I saw said you get different R values depending on whether you’re looking at deaths (accurate but time lagged) or cases (more recent but dependent on test strategy) and that R values from one place can’t be used to inform other areas. So you will get a different R depending on if say you’re looking at care home deaths in the Midlands or overall cases in London, then you weight and adjust for time depending on what you want to look at. So an overall R for the U.K. would be of limited utility.

This is why putting something so arbitrary as that graph up last night to explain something complex like this is so unhelpful. I know people may say that you need to present something that is easy to understand but is just plain misleading. Especially when the consequences can cost lives.

 

[David O'Day]

Used their common sense asked for staggered starts or just say what are you talking about I didn’t watch it.

Employees don't pick their start times.


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[Terry Gibson's perm]

Employees don't pick their start times.


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Clever ones do I am an employee and I have just said what time I am starting and finishing and they have said no problem

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I left my Mrs. & kids doing a Joe Wicks workout this morning & he was using a spinning colour disc to let luck/fate decide which exercise to do next....

....I reckon they've got one in Cabinet Office Briefing Room A.

...How else did they reach the decisions like the one to finally (plan to) quarantine passengers from incoming flights.....unless they come from France??

Its like someone has found an old script for an old Monty Python sketch that was canned as too farcical!

 

[tisza]

spoke to a friend in Paris this morning as lockdown being eased there. Said it was chaos on public transport and the metro - zero distancing even though nearly everyone masks.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Maybe the actual documentation will be fantastic and provide the clarity we all need. I'm clinging to that and that it can be broken down and distributed well to the people.

 

[David O'Day]

Clever ones do I am an employee and I have just said what time I am starting and finishing and they have said no problem

Lucky you most people don't get to pick their start times

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Maybe the actual documentation will be fantastic and provide the clarity we all need. I'm clinging to that and that it can be broken down and distributed well to the people.

Isn't it 50 pages?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Isn't it 50 pages?

Indeed it is

 

[David O'Day]

With regards to the earlier conversation about Elon Musk.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

With regards to the earlier conversation about Elon Musk.

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He didn't say the year to be fair

 

[RegTheDonk]

Question to the teachers of the group, I know there's a few. What do you make of the Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 kids phased back?

I can see the Year 6s being OK, they should be able to respect and understand keeping to (I assume) their own desks, keeping their distances in the playground or the dinner hall.

The young 'uns though, it's going to be a nightmare surely making them understand they can't play or be with their friends. All that cross contamination going back to parent's homes.

I get the feeling they just want a creche so people can get back to work.

 

[clint van damme]

Cameron oversaw 6 years of austerity which has completely stripped away the government's capacity to act. Why can't we quarantine flights coming in? Partly because the UK Border Force has been cut significantly most notably post 2010, May of course was Home Secretary at the time of all this.

As for Hague, his voting record is straight out of the same book as the rest.

Christ it's depressing. I genuinely worry where will be by the end of this clowns tenure

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Lucky you most people don't get to pick their start times

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You can call it luck if you want.

I just said these are the hours I will be working take it or leave it and they may as well take it as I would have just done those hours anyway, the luck I have is we have a good union who if I went to them would probably get the hours reduced further.

 

[Grendel]

So who on this thread has been asked back to work?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

So who on this thread has been asked back to work?

I was already there but missed the last week and a half as I had Covid.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Question to the teachers of the group, I know there's a few. What do you make of the Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 kids phased back?

I can see the Year 6s being OK, they should be able to respect and understand keeping to (I assume) their own desks, keeping their distances in the playground or the dinner hall.

The young 'uns though, it's going to be a nightmare surely making them understand they can't play or be with their friends. All that cross contamination going back to parent's homes.

I get the feeling they just want a creche so people can get back to work.

Can't speak for the primary school teachers but would imagine as they only have 1 class to look after they could halve the numbers in each group and get 'spare' staff from other years to cover. Years 7-9 could probably manage on remote learning for the remainder of term but Year 10 and 12 really do need at least some time in the classroom if just for a few days to get things in order. The number one priority though is Year 6 for both primary and secondary as the jump is scary enough for most even in normal times

 

[David O'Day]

You can call it luck if you want.

I just said these are the hours I will be working take it or leave it and they may as well take it as I would have just done those hours anyway, the luck I have is we have a good union who if I went to them would probably get the hours reduced further.

Sound but as already said most people have to turn up when their employers say they have to and yet you call them selfish.

Utter walloper

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