Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (222 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

My Mrs works as a nurse at UHCW, from things she tells me you shouldn't underestimate the poor decisions that get made by senior management. Of course you could argue that ultimately this all leads back to the Government, but these managers do need to take some responsibility. Again from what she tells me there was a real reluctance to test people, now whether this was down to a lack of testing availability or wanting to keep the numbers down, and people out of the Covid wards, I don't know. Maybe a mixture of everything.

Senior management in the hospitals work on direction of the commissioning guidance they'll be getting from the centre, i.e. NHS England who in turn will be working to the Minister.

 

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[David O'Day]

Care homes coronavirus fiasco as just 5% tested two weeks after Hancock promise

Sad but not surprising

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

As much as I don't rate Johnson, I don't like the idea of a single fall guy. The entire government are on the hook for it, it wasn't the work of a single rogue.

He is the leader that put the team together though.

 

[David O'Day]

He is the leader that put the team together though.

Taxi for Johnson

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

Taxi for Johnson

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At least he can claim it in his expenses

 

[chiefdave]

As much as I don't rate Johnson, I don't like the idea of a single fall guy. The entire government are on the hook for it, it wasn't the work of a single rogue.

No chance of it working like that. At most you'll get 2 or 3 people in the government. Any other blame will be pushed down the chain. Hancock will likely be the first to go, and then Johnson and then the government will make out the rest of them had nothing to do with it.

 

[shmmeee]

Not good news.

https://mobile.twitter.com/zeynep/status/1260639316331638785

If we’ve had 50k excess deaths and are at 5% also, that’s potentially 1m excess deaths if everyone just gets it. In reality it’d be more like maybe 5-600k as we hit herd immunity, but still.

 

[Nick]

Can we go out yet

 

[fernandopartridge]

Not good news.



If we’ve had 50k excess deaths and are at 5% also, that’s potentially 1m excess deaths if everyone just gets it. In reality it’d be more like maybe 5-600k as we hit herd immunity, but still.

Yea - does that take into account that the 5% who got it possibly contained some of the people at highest risk in any case? The other thing is that both France and Spain had more stringent lockdowns than the UK, our spread is possibly greater than theirs.

It is rather unsettling though I must say.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The stark reality is that the Tories were prepared to allow 600k people to die and it was the basis of their strategy. You can't help but think we'll get to somewhere around 25% of that.

 

[Brylowes]

The stark reality is that the Tories were prepared to allow 600k people to die and it was the basis of their strategy. You can't help but think we'll get to somewhere around 25% of that.

It should have been a Lockdown of the same proportion as France etc but Boris and the
Government would argue their soft approach to Lockdown was all about trying to protect
the economy from collapse.
As far as I can make out it’s cost thousands more lives than was ever necessary, and as
far as the economy Is concerned ‘it now looks likely we’ll be in and out of lockdown more
often than a Morris dancer doing the Hokey Pokey.

 

[shmmeee]

Yea - does that take into account that the 5% who got it possibly contained some of the people at highest risk in any case? The other thing is that both France and Spain had more stringent lockdowns than the UK, our spread is possibly greater than theirs.

It is rather unsettling though I must say.

That’s fair. Haven’t over half our deaths been in care homes? So probably does skew older. Also we may have had more infected.

Point about us not being as far through as some hoped stands mind.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Can we go out yet

Come on Nick it’s common sense. Like sending infected pensioners back to care homes was common sense

 

[skybluetony176]

Well done Boris lad

Has lack of testing made care homes more vulnerable to Covid-19?

 

[PVA]

Grendel and Dom can't still think the government is doing a good job, can they?

It gets worse by the day, as more and more details come out.

We all knew it was bad, but I don't think any of us thought it was this bad.

 

[Flying Fokker]

It should have been a Lockdown of the same proportion as France etc but Boris and the
Government would argue their soft approach to Lockdown was all about trying to protect
the economy from collapse.
As far as I can make out it’s cost thousands more lives than was ever necessary, and as
far as the economy Is concerned ‘it now looks likely we’ll be in and out of lockdown more
often than a Morris dancer doing the Hokey Pokey.

Well that worked. I don’t think anyone knew what was happening really.

 

[skybluetony176]

Grendel and Dom can't still think the government is doing a good job, can they?

It gets worse by the day, as more and more details come out.

We all knew it was bad, but I don't think any of us thought it was this bad.

I think their absence says it all. The deliberate poisoning of care homes seems too much for even them to try and defend or deflect from.

 

[Flying Fokker]

My Mrs works as a nurse at UHCW, from things she tells me you shouldn't underestimate the poor decisions that get made by senior management. Of course you could argue that ultimately this all leads back to the Government, but these managers do need to take some responsibility. Again from what she tells me there was a real reluctance to test people, now whether this was down to a lack of testing availability or wanting to keep the numbers down, and people out of the Covid wards, I don't know. Maybe a mixture of everything.

Ah ha , Good points. If nobody is tested we will never know how many have got it..

 

[Flying Fokker]

General Question...if you were a local authority at the start of a pandemic what would you do first?

It’s all a bit academic now but I’m interested to know if anyone had a plan in mind at the start of this.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Although not a local thing the first move should have been to close the airports to incoming people until testing was ready, plus any British nationals returning straight into quarantine.

 

[PVA]

I think their absence says it all. The deliberate poisoning of care homes seems too much for even them to try and defend or deflect from.

Yep that's indefensible. The evidence is there in black and white that the care home crisis is on the government and no one else.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Grendel and Dom can't still think the government is doing a good job, can they?

It gets worse by the day, as more and more details come out.

We all knew it was bad, but I don't think any of us thought it was this bad.

Living in ya head rent free, give it a rest constantly bringing up my name

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

This is great news, just hope we don’t take months to get them out..... this could be the game changer to see if most of us had it around Christmas

 

[PVA]

Living in ya head rent free, give it a rest constantly bringing up my name

Living in your head rent free

A phrase used exclusively by weirdos and 15 year olds

So do you still think they're doing a good job or not?

Do you accept they are to blame for the care home crisis?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

This is great news, just hope we don’t take months to get them out..... this could be the game changer to see if most of us had it around Christmas

Normal people will be way down the list MPs and their families will be right at the top, followed by celebrities.

 

[clint van damme]

This is great news, just hope we don’t take months to get them out..... this could be the game changer to see if most of us had it around Christmas

You've posted this bollocks on numerous occasions.
In the mean time we have the second most deaths in the world and second most deaths among health workers.

 

[David O'Day]

This is great news, just hope we don’t take months to get them out..... this could be the game changer to see if most of us had it around Christmas

It was approved by the eu at the start of the month. Slow as fuck yet again

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[David O'Day]

Living in ya head rent free, give it a rest constantly bringing up my name

You like to say living in your head tent free but fail to realise the only people who say it these days get bullied at nandos

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[ajsccfc]

I think that's the same test I read about previously so if it's getting widespread approval that feels like at least a shuffle forward if not a huge step. Considering some minister said the other month they'd have tests ready to order from pharmacies and Amazon within weeks though I'm not getting too excited until they're widely available (if they ever are)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The stark reality is that the Tories were prepared to allow 600k people to die and it was the basis of their strategy. You can't help but think we'll get to somewhere around 25% of that.

I hope it’s incompetence more than malice

 

[skybluetony176]

This is great news, just hope we don’t take months to get them out..... this could be the game changer to see if most of us had it around Christmas

How do you feel about the government deliberately poisoning care homes Dom?

 

[skybluetony176]

Still no one could have seen this coming Ministers were warned two years ago of care homes' exposure to pandemics

 

[David O'Day]

I think that's the same test I read about previously so if it's getting widespread approval that feels like at least a shuffle forward if not a huge step. Considering some minister said the other month they'd have tests ready to order from pharmacies and Amazon within weeks though I'm not getting too excited until they're widely available (if they ever are)

Hancock ordered 3000000 of the last ones that didn't work

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[David O'Day]

It's also pretty shoddy that the government promised local authorities all the funding they needed to deal with the pandemic but now seem to be backing out of it leaving billions of black holes in council budgets

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[skybluetony176]

Hancock ordered 3000000 of the last ones that didn't work

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Wasn’t it 17.5M