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PVA

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Torygraph have begun to turn on Boris recently.

Despite what Grendel says about him being bestest pwime minister ever!, the tide is turning on Johnson.
 
chiefdave

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Sick Boy said:
I reckon sometime within the next year, with the current situation it’s too difficult to say.
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Depends how bad things get, they might decide to play the long game. Once this is over we'll likely have a huge recession to deal with while trying to sort out Brexit.

We've got 4 years until the next election. If they think they can get that all out the way with something like 12 months to spare they could be tempted to leave him in to take the fall for everything.
 
David O'Day

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Which tory apart from gove would want the job at this point in time.

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Rusty Trombone said:
My Mrs works as a nurse at UHCW, from things she tells me you shouldn't underestimate the poor decisions that get made by senior management. Of course you could argue that ultimately this all leads back to the Government, but these managers do need to take some responsibility. Again from what she tells me there was a real reluctance to test people, now whether this was down to a lack of testing availability or wanting to keep the numbers down, and people out of the Covid wards, I don't know. Maybe a mixture of everything.
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Senior management in the hospitals work on direction of the commissioning guidance they'll be getting from the centre, i.e. NHS England who in turn will be working to the Minister.
 
chiefdave

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fernandopartridge said:
As much as I don't rate Johnson, I don't like the idea of a single fall guy. The entire government are on the hook for it, it wasn't the work of a single rogue.
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No chance of it working like that. At most you'll get 2 or 3 people in the government. Any other blame will be pushed down the chain. Hancock will likely be the first to go, and then Johnson and then the government will make out the rest of them had nothing to do with it.
 
fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
Not good news.



If we’ve had 50k excess deaths and are at 5% also, that’s potentially 1m excess deaths if everyone just gets it. In reality it’d be more like maybe 5-600k as we hit herd immunity, but still.
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Yea - does that take into account that the 5% who got it possibly contained some of the people at highest risk in any case? The other thing is that both France and Spain had more stringent lockdowns than the UK, our spread is possibly greater than theirs.

It is rather unsettling though I must say.
 
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The stark reality is that the Tories were prepared to allow 600k people to die and it was the basis of their strategy. You can't help but think we'll get to somewhere around 25% of that.
 
Brylowes

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fernandopartridge said:
The stark reality is that the Tories were prepared to allow 600k people to die and it was the basis of their strategy. You can't help but think we'll get to somewhere around 25% of that.
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It should have been a Lockdown of the same proportion as France etc but Boris and the
Government would argue their soft approach to Lockdown was all about trying to protect
the economy from collapse.
As far as I can make out it’s cost thousands more lives than was ever necessary, and as
far as the economy Is concerned ‘it now looks likely we’ll be in and out of lockdown more
often than a Morris dancer doing the Hokey Pokey.
 
shmmeee

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fernandopartridge said:
Yea - does that take into account that the 5% who got it possibly contained some of the people at highest risk in any case? The other thing is that both France and Spain had more stringent lockdowns than the UK, our spread is possibly greater than theirs.

It is rather unsettling though I must say.
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That’s fair. Haven’t over half our deaths been in care homes? So probably does skew older. Also we may have had more infected.

Point about us not being as far through as some hoped stands mind.
 
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PVA

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Grendel and Dom can't still think the government is doing a good job, can they?

It gets worse by the day, as more and more details come out.

We all knew it was bad, but I don't think any of us thought it was this bad.
 
Flying Fokker

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Brylowes said:
It should have been a Lockdown of the same proportion as France etc but Boris and the
Government would argue their soft approach to Lockdown was all about trying to protect
the economy from collapse.
As far as I can make out it’s cost thousands more lives than was ever necessary, and as
far as the economy Is concerned ‘it now looks likely we’ll be in and out of lockdown more
often than a Morris dancer doing the Hokey Pokey.
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Well that worked. I don’t think anyone knew what was happening really.
 
skybluetony176

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PVA said:
Grendel and Dom can't still think the government is doing a good job, can they?

It gets worse by the day, as more and more details come out.

We all knew it was bad, but I don't think any of us thought it was this bad.
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I think their absence says it all. The deliberate poisoning of care homes seems too much for even them to try and defend or deflect from.
 
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