Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (27 Viewers)

[SkyBlueDom26]

It has heart failure as a said effect and has shown very very little use against covid-19 in the limited testing so far.

A drug that causes heart failure is not the way to go.



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I agree then, tbh I have seen conflicting reports but most experts saying it doesn’t work

 

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[David O'Day]

It clearly isn’t and you know it, stop being deluded..... he’s had over 50k complaints because of acting like an utter tool

Wow snowflakes complained.

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[SkyBlueDom26]

Looks like pubs will be opening from the start of July then! Fuck knows how they will do it but fingers crossed

 

[clint van damme]

Looks like pubs will be opening from the start of July then! Fuck knows how they will do it but fingers crossed

Where have you heard that?
Is this the Dowden interview which the telegraph are misinterpreting?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Where have you heard that?
Is this the Dowden interview which the telegraph are misinterpreting?

It’s on sky news

 

[clint van damme]

It’s on sky news

I can't see it.
I read the Dowden interview re: opening up UK tourism and it's getting misinterpreted in the media.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Looks like pubs will be opening from the start of July then! Fuck knows how they will do it but fingers crossed

Dates seem to just be thrown out.

 

[skybluetony176]

Here we go again, trying to move away from the point like you always do...... they go on every other channel for interviews just not GMB because of the way Piers acts like a child and screams at them, he’s an embarrassment

I recon if they told you to shit in your hands and clap as a cure you would do it and if Piers Morgan said it doesn’t work you’d do it twice.

 

[MusicDating]

They should in theory - but it’s not safe yet and there is no evidence that any procedures are ready to go to support a safe return. Add to that the impossibility of socially distancing in education environments.

It’s not the right time yet. If people think it is they’ve clearly never worked in education or they’re an idiot.

Not being inflammatory; I'm intrigued to hear what people's definition of safe is?

 

[Ian1779]

Not being inflammatory; I'm intrigued to hear what people's definition of safe is?

For me at the very least - the government are insisting on social distancing - so that has to be achievable.
PPE - I think teachers should be provided with some (especially those in primary)
Finally - there are still too many people dying and also becoming infected with no method of tracing how the disease is spreading.

 

[Ian1779]

Here we go again, trying to move away from the point like you always do...... they go on every other channel for interviews just not GMB because of the way Piers acts like a child and screams at them, he’s an embarrassment

With respect - you were happy to champion a government and prime minister that behaved in exactly the same way for the last year. It’s only now it’s an issue because the scrutiny is finally on them?

 

[clint van damme]

For me at the very least - the government are insisting on social distancing - so that has to be achievable.
PPE - I think teachers should be provided with some (especially those in primary)
Finally - there are still too many people dying and also becoming infected with no method of tracing how the disease is spreading.

In other words you want children afforded the same protection Mps expect in the commons.

 

[Ian1779]

In other words you want children afforded the same protection Mps expect in the commons.

Yeah - bloody lefties and their unreasonable demands for child safety.

 

[MusicDating]

For me at the very least - the government are insisting on social distancing - so that has to be achievable.
PPE - I think teachers should be provided with some (especially those in primary)
Finally - there are still too many people dying and also becoming infected with no method of tracing how the disease is spreading.

My kids' primary will be exercising the 2m rule and also confirmed the teachers will have PPE so I'm satisfied they'll be safe. Also looking at the stats only 8 people under 19 have died from CV, so that reassures me further.

 

[hill83]

Yeah - bloody lefties and their unreasonable demands for child safety.

Wankers the lot of them

 

[hill83]

My kids' primary will be exercising the 2m rule and also confirmed the teachers will have PPE so I'm satisfied they'll be safe. Also looking at the stats only 8 people under 19 have died from CV, so that reassures me further.

Getting all mumsnet for a second. What is (are?) the PPE the teachers will be wearing? Bit of a change from the norm for a 4 year old to deal with.

 

[clint van damme]

My kids' primary will be exercising the 2m rule and also confirmed the teachers will have PPE so I'm satisfied they'll be safe. Also looking at the stats only 8 people under 19 have died from CV, so that reassures me further.

But isn't the main issue surrounding how much children transmit the virus?
There's a lot of conflicting information and the Royal college of paediatricians are saying there's no conclusive evidence either way so at the moment it's basically a coin toss.

 

[MusicDating]

Getting all mumsnet for a second. What is (are?) the PPE the teachers will be wearing? Bit of a change from the norm for a 4 year old to deal with.

Good question, my school's letter doesn't specify.

 

[hill83]

Good question, my school's letter doesn't specify.

 

[David O'Day]

But isn't the main issue surrounding how much children transmit the virus?
There's a lot of conflicting information and the Royal college of paediatricians are saying there's no conclusive evidence either way so at the moment it's basically a coin toss.

Yeah it's can they catch and pass on the virus and if so how much

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[MusicDating]

But isn't the main issue surrounding how much children transmit the virus?
There's a lot of conflicting information and the Royal college of paediatricians are saying there's no conclusive evidence either way so at the moment it's basically a coin toss.

I suspect it'll be the same as other viruses, but if they and their family is non-vulnerable, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[clint van damme]

I suspect it'll be the same as other viruses, but if they and their family is non-vulnerable, it shouldn't be a problem.

But what if their class mate has family members that are vulnerable?
I appreciate that across society we may shortly have to start trying to return to some sort of normality and try to manage the risks but I think we are in danger of doing it too early.

 

[skybluetony176]

It clearly isn’t and you know it, stop being deluded..... he’s had over 50k complaints because of acting like an utter tool

So in a population of almost 67M just over 50K have complained. It’s hardly damming evidence that he’s been acting like a tool. If anything it’s proof that the 50K are the tools.

 

[skybluetony176]

I suspect it'll be the same as other viruses, but if they and their family is non-vulnerable, it shouldn't be a problem.

It’s not the same as other virus’ though. The one thing we do know is that the transmission rate is higher.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Getting all mumsnet for a second. What is (are?) the PPE the teachers will be wearing? Bit of a change from the norm for a 4 year old to deal with.

I raised this point a few pages back.....The psychological damage to YR & Y1 kids especially could be huge.....being "educated" in an environment much akin to a Sci-fi dystopian horror movie.
Some of the proposals I've seen on the TV news include all the books & toys removed or taped off like a crime scene. The teachers & TAs in masks & gloves. Kids regimentally marched one by one for compulsory hand washing every hour. Kids learning, eating & playing in isolation & separated by perspex sheets.
Just fuck off with such nonsense. Thats no way to treat young kids.
Keep schools closed until Sept. which gives time for more rational, practical & workable solutions to be found & implemented.

 

[TomRad85]

But what if their class mate has family members that are vulnerable?
I appreciate that across society we may shortly have to start trying to return to some sort of normality and try to manage the risks but I think we are in danger of doing it too early.

Then the one with vulnerable family members doesn't go back. The one with non vulnerable does.

That's not a snarky tone I'm typing in btw. Just a suggestion.

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[fernandopartridge]

My kids' primary will be exercising the 2m rule and also confirmed the teachers will have PPE so I'm satisfied they'll be safe. Also looking at the stats only 8 people under 19 have died from CV, so that reassures me further.

It isn't just about the safety of the children though, is it? 15 kids (if that happens) in a class room going home to 15 families, you can quite quickly see how infections multiply

 

[David O'Day]

But what if their class mate has family members that are vulnerable?
I appreciate that across society we may shortly have to start trying to return to some sort of normality and try to manage the risks but I think we are in danger of doing it too early.

This is the problem.

The chain nature of outbreak clusters means they could be a danger to someone who isn't at that school.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It isn't just about the safety of the children though, is it? 15 kids (if that happens) in a class room going home to 15 families, you can quite quickly see how infections multiply

Which is why the idea should have been postponed until transmission data or knowledge came in. And it isn’t promising enough

 

[fernandopartridge]

I raised this point a few pages back.....The psychological damage to YR & Y1 kids especially could be huge.....being "educated" in an environment much akin to a Sci-fi dystopian horror movie.
Some of the proposals I've seen on the TV news include all the books & toys removed or taped off like a crime scene. The teachers & TAs in masks & gloves. Kids regimentally marched one by one for compulsory hand washing every hour. Kids learning, eating & playing in isolation & separated by perspex sheets.
Just fuck off with such nonsense. Thats no way to treat young kids.
Keep schools closed until Sept. which gives time for more rational, practical & workable solutions to be found & implemented.

Exactly, from June 1st there are 6 or 7 weeks left, it is nothing in the grand scheme of things. That last half term at school was a complete doss when we were at school anyway, school trips, sports day etc.

 

[Ian1779]

Exactly, from June 1st there are 6 or 7 weeks left, it is nothing in the grand scheme of things. That last half term at school was a complete doss when we were at school anyway, school trips, sports day etc.

Especially in primary school

 

[MusicDating]

But what if their class mate has family members that are vulnerable?
I appreciate that across society we may shortly have to start trying to return to some sort of normality and try to manage the risks but I think we are in danger of doing it too early.

I wouldn't send mine in if family members were vulnerable. Mine can't wait to get back to school and as I understand it only 2% of CV deaths have been people under 49 years old, so I'm happy with the risk.

 

[ajsccfc]

Guarantee the Venn diagram of 'people complaining about Piers Morgan having a go at politicians' and 'people complaining that free speech is taken away' is a solid circle.

 

[David O'Day]

Guarantee the Venn diagram of 'people complaining about Piers Morgan having a go at politicians' and 'people complaining that free speech is taken away' is a solid circle.

I'd like to see the correlation between these people and the people who post leave Boris alone memes on facebook


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[hill83]

edit: Actually I'll leave that one alone