Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[Skybluefaz]

'I think we should be more stricter like Spain, and none of us allowed out' he says while... choosing to be out?!?

I don't know either. Why the hell we continue to call it a lockdown when this kind of thing is going on.

 

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[David O'Day]

Give it a fucking break David, do you get a buzz out of pissing people off?

No you asked me if l lived on the isle of wight in a sarcastic way. I pointed out you have already replied to a post that linked yo the story.

As you were saying

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Are you confident they will actually achieve that? Remember Hancock promising to “test 100,000 people per day” by the end of April? Here's the figures for May:

Still not close to the 100,000 a day let alone the 200,000 a day Johnson promised by the end of May.

He gives the impression he is making it up as he goes along, giving any answer that will take the pressure off him. Today he has promised huge pay rises to NHS staff despite the Treasury talking about public sector pay freezes, which one do we believe?

I was a bit annoyed that Starmer wasn't give a chance to reply to Johnson claim of wanting to see NHS workers properly paid by asking why he's consistently voted against pay rises for them and was part of the cheering mob that defeated a bill aimed to pay them more.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

As they’ve all been in ‘contact‘ with the person infected they all have been told to self-isolate.. staff and students (and I guess their families too)

We haven’t been told the details but makes you wonder who contracted from who. If it was a staff member did they get from a child of a key worker? Or did child get from a staff member... or child to child....

What we need is some way to track the movement of the virus...

Hmmm. What it also shows is we need a properly thought through system. We can't go through the next few months re-opening places, only to slam them shut every other week because somebody's got it - that'll end up more chaos then keeping everything shut!

As an aside, was speaking to a teacher earlier and, despite government promising to reflect, they're obviously still having to plan for opening up. That's time taken away from improving the online delivery of lessons, of course - all for something that might not actually happen in the end!

 

[David O'Day]

Even better once a month with the PM facing questions from the public.

No, have you seen the daily briefings with public questions.

Soft soap questions specially picked for him

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[David O'Day]

He was a bit better than last week but still got owned.

If they let it go back to the braying mob it'll be a travesty and show it's got nothing to do with accountability. I'd be quite happy for there to just be a weekly televised meeting between the PM and opposition leader with no-one else present. Then PMQ's can be used for all the fluff and constituency stuff.

They can't yet due to social distancing.

As the speaker said the chamber was at capacity so they can't safely get anymore people in.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, have you seen the daily briefings with public questions.

Soft soap questions specially picked for him

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No I mean the actual public in a studio

 

[shmmeee]

Just read this thread on Starmers use of PMQs which makes some good points:

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Even better once a month with the PM facing questions from the public.

I'd be ok with that as well as the PM v Opposition. Public don't necessarily have access to the same info and some just don't get it. Johnson would probably do quite well in that sort of scenario - gets to play his bumbling buffoon character.

Plus you'd get those that support the party going on to ask "does the PM agree with me that he's a top bloke" while those opposed could just become ranty and abusive and undo any credibility of holding to account.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They can't yet due to social distancing.

As the speaker said the chamber was at capacity so they can't safely get anymore people in.

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I meant once restrictions are removed.

 

[shmmeee]

I'd be ok with that as well as the PM v Opposition. Public don't necessarily have access to the same info and some just don't get it. Johnson would probably do quite well in that sort of scenario - gets to play his bumbling buffoon character.

Plus you'd get those that support the party going on to ask "does the PM agree with me that he's a top bloke" while those opposed could just become ranty and abusive and undo any credibility of holding to account.

Id much rather LOTO than the public, for a start they’ve got access to the HoC Library and the civil service rather than Facebook memes from their cousin Dave.

 

[David O'Day]

I meant once restrictions are removed.

Going to be a while

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[David O'Day]

Just read this thread on Starmers use of PMQs which makes some good points:

This was my point early. He is making Boris defeat himself

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'd be ok with that as well as the PM v Opposition. Public don't necessarily have access to the same info and some just don't get it. Johnson would probably do quite well in that sort of scenario - gets to play his bumbling buffoon character.

Plus you'd get those that support the party going on to ask "does the PM agree with me that he's a top bloke" while those opposed could just become ranty and abusive and undo any credibility of holding to account.

Which is why you would need to screen the questions and who's in the audience, but I think it should be more than once every 5 years that the PM bothers to take questions he might not wish to hear from the electorate

 

[chiefdave]

They can't yet due to social distancing.

As the speaker said the chamber was at capacity so they can't safely get anymore people in.

I meant once restrictions are removed.

Completely coincidentally after another week where the lack of a baying crowd has exposed Johnson the remote option is being removed and MPs have to return to the chamber.

Also, is this really the right time for a recess?

 

[chiefdave]

Give it a fucking break David, do you get a buzz out of pissing people off?

Can you not see the issue? It was only lunchtime today we had this:

Literally within a couple of hours we had this:

A smartphone app for tracking people who have been in contact with Covid-19 patients will not be ready for 1 June, when the next stage of the government’s relaxation of lockdown is due to begin, Downing Street has confirmed.

Junior health minister Lord Bethell indicated that the government was no longer trying to get the app - currently being trialled on the Isle of Wight - into action at the same time as the tracing teams.

Speaking late on Tuesday in the House of Lords, the peer said: “We have therefore changed the emphasis of our communications and plans to put human-contact tracing at the beginning of our plans and to regard the app as something that will come later in support.”

We've had weeks of being told how this app was vital. Any criticism of us going it alone and using a different app to the rest of the world was brushed aside with a vague 'stop being negative'. Now it turns out our state of the art system will be to do it all by hand. It's embarrassing.

 

[David O'Day]

Completely coincidentally after another week where the lack of a baying crowd has exposed Johnson the remote option is being removed and MPs have to return to the chamber.

Also, is this really the right time for a recess?

That just means less mps can speak at debates. At PMQs they are still limited by social distancing.

All you will see is MPs swapping in and out the chamber so more can speak at debates.

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Completely coincidentally after another week where the lack of a baying crowd has exposed Johnson the remote option is being removed and MPs have to return to the chamber.

Also, is this really the right time for a recess?

I am a little torn about them returning. I have said I want parliament to have to be early adopters of policy/legislation whereas they usually exempt themselves. I'm also not surprised JRM wants to return to tradition ASAP. But it is without doubt being done to bring in Johnson's backing vocalists.

I would say that if it's such an acceptable way of doing things why not make it so in court the other side can shout out etc rather than it being contempt of court. Why is it not contempt of parliament?

As for the recess, of course it's time - they work bloody hard! Unlike those layabout teachers doing sod all.....

 

[David O'Day]

Can you not see the issue? It was only lunchtime today we had this:

Literally within a couple of hours we had this:

We've had weeks of being told how this app was vital. Any criticism of us going it alone and using a different app to the rest of the world was brushed aside with a vague 'stop being negative'. Now it turns out our state of the art system will be to do it all by hand. It's embarrassing.

I was just pointing out to the Geoffrey that he had actually already replied to a post saying this

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[SkyBlueDom26]

177k tests done and still only 2.4k new cases! The end is in sight.... also deaths down substantially from last Wednesday

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

177k tests done and still only 2.4k new cases! The end is in sight.... also deaths down substantially from last Wednesday

Still 360 and far too high-not being negative just a realist

 

[chiefdave]

177k tests done

Is that just for one day? The figures weren't available yesterday due to a 'technical issue with the data collection systems'.

Don't mean to be cynical but the highest figure so far this month is 78,537 people tested so that's a hell of a jump. Also we've more than doubled the number of tests but no increases in the number of positive results. Something seems off.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Still 360 and far too high-not being negative just a realist

Yes it’s a high number but if we follow the trends in 2 weeks it Hopefully be right down, I rekon by June we might be having single digits or even no deaths

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes it’s a high number but if we follow the trends in 2 weeks it Hopefully be right down, I rekon by June we might be having single digits or even no deaths

Hope isn't enough to be committed to reopening schools-I want us to at least be regularly below 100 before talking about that. I also fail to understand why we are planning to introduce 2 week quarantines when it's apparently safe to start opening things up or why we didn't quarantine months ago.

 

[clint van damme]

You are all a bnuch of cnuts

Don't hold back

 

[clint van damme]

Just read this thread on Starmers use of PMQs which makes some good points:

I noticed this the other week when either Raab or Hancock were deputising for the part time PM and plucked some figure on testing out of the air he said good lu k in reaching it and left it at that.
You know if it's not met he'll be onto them about it rather than arguing the toss there and then about whether it was reachable which made sense

I don't think he's been as good as his fanboys and girls make out and definitely not as bad as his haters portray him.

 

[hill83]

Don't hold back

Not you. You’re all right. One of the good ones.

 

[Nick]

You are all a bnuch of cnuts

Better than being a lefty righty labour loving tory

 

[clint van damme]

Not you. You’re all right. One of the good ones.

As you said earlier,if you have to explain it!

 

[David O'Day]

177k tests done and still only 2.4k new cases! The end is in sight.... also deaths down substantially from last Wednesday

There were not 177k tests done.

It includes tests posted again

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[skybluetony176]

I like it when someone uses Wiki and tries to sound clever especially when quoting an alternate spelling from wiki to sound amazingly intelligent - still spelling my name wrong and not understanding that all he’s doing is an anagram competition to describe himself

He was Danish, Cnut is the correct spelling.

 

[chiefdave]

Just read this thread on Starmers use of PMQs which makes some good points:

Get the point he's making but pushing the PM, or whoever is standing in for him, to commit to specifics is of no use if nothing happens when they fail. We all know they very clearly said they'd be testing 100K people a day, every day, by the start of May. That still isn't happening and is hardly mentioned.

 

[skybluetony176]

In Brexit news, just announced that indeed there will now be checks on goods coming to GB from NI, starting January

That can’t be true. Honest Boris said no British PM would or should accept that deal at a DUP conference.

 

[chiefdave]

There were not 177k tests done.

It includes tests posted again

Department of Health have now released their figures and its 60,744 people tested.

Also includes a note saying "There have been several revisions to today’s data across all four testing pillars" whatever that's supposed to mean.

 

[skybluetony176]

Horrific mate, I watched this video earlier and it has made me feel physically sick to think how we treat good people who are putting themselves in the line of fire

That Boris disappeared as soon as the headline became wrapping for chips.