Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (339 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

They're getting absolutely desperate to deflect blame. Anyone who has been paying the slightest attention to the figures knew there were issues with accuracy, its not something that's been hidden. Its the reason most people are looking at excess deaths as the most accurate figure.

 

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[Skybluefaz]

What a man. Hope he had the best day. Some legacy he will leave behind.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

By the time 5 is in operation we'll be down to 4-5 yrs before the next installation begins.
Read a bit about the downfall the other day .
That bloke they put in after Lord Weinstein? Seemed to blow it by focusing on the singular operation against the previous diverse operation.
Then the suggested New system £250M failed them by not picking up the Worldwide fall of demand.

Weinstock.

My Dad refused him entry because he didn't have ID...

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Forget who said they were getting masks from Amazon but, just a word of warning...

First it was soap at the height of the frenzy, and now after waiting two and a half months for disposable gloves to be in stock...

Both have ended up 'undeliverable'. Ok, I got my money back, but I'm deeply suspicious it was high demand, pandemic related stuff both times. Of course it's not every delivery, but I can't help but be dubious.

 

[ajsccfc]

"Researchers in Australia have devised a test that can determine novel coronavirus infection in about 20 minutes using blood samples in what they say is a world-first breakthrough.

The researchers at Monash University said their test can determine if someone is currently infected and if they have been infected in the past."

Australian researchers invent 20-minute coronavirus blood test

Researchers in Australia have devised a test that can determine novel coronavirus infection in about 20 minutes using blood samples in what they say is a world-first breakthrough.

www.reuters.com

Sorry Neighbours, you're now the second best thing from Melbourne

 

[ajsccfc]

Disposable Face Masks | COVID-19 Essentials | Chemist4U

Buy disposable face masks to help limit the spread of illnesses. Chemist4U has a wide range of disposable face masks available with next day delivery.

www.chemist-4-u.com

These are the masks I ordered in case anyone's on the lookout, they came in 2 days

 

[shmmeee]

"Researchers in Australia have devised a test that can determine novel coronavirus infection in about 20 minutes using blood samples in what they say is a world-first breakthrough.

The researchers at Monash University said their test can determine if someone is currently infected and if they have been infected in the past."

Australian researchers invent 20-minute coronavirus blood test

Researchers in Australia have devised a test that can determine novel coronavirus infection in about 20 minutes using blood samples in what they say is a world-first breakthrough.

www.reuters.com

Sorry Neighbours, you're now the second best thing from Melbourne

Of course if immunity does only last a few months it’s not much help, but sounds great!

 

[David O'Day]

guided by science

 

[chiefdave]

guided by science

On one side you've got Sir Patrick Vallance FRS FMedSci FRCP and Chris Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci, on the other Johnson. I know which side I'd trust.

 

[hill83]

On one side you've got Sir Patrick Vallance FRS FMedSci FRCP and Chris Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci, on the other Johnson. I know which side I'd trust.

The side that believes in Britain and wants to get the job done.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Of course if immunity does only last a few months it’s not much help, but sounds great!

I suppose there is a logic that if enough of us got it within a set period, it'd decline on its own?

Of course we'd need to stop trade and people movement but hey, isn't that what Brexit's for?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

On one side you've got Sir Patrick Vallance FRS FMedSci FRCP and Chris Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci, on the other Johnson. I know which side I'd trust.

Concerning really if we're all compelled *despite* scientific advice.

I do get that it's pretty catastrophic if we all end up out of work as a result of this, but I also don't see why you wouldn't keep social distancing measures in place throughout the winter anyway. If numbers are still low at that stage then happy days, might be able to relax a little.

But why on earth risk us all going into meltdown / lockdown again? Surely that'd be worse for the economy than mitigation and a slowing?

 

[ajsccfc]

I think we've all had enough of experts and science, what we need is good old British common sense, the blitz spirit, Captain Mainwaring, Sly Stallone in goal, have some of that Fritz, TCP on a cut knee, jam sandwiches, you know, isn't it? Marvellous.

 

[skybluetony176]

Boris vs SAGE is becoming more Trump vs Fauci esq by the hour.

 

[David O'Day]

Lads just put some Sudocrem on the virus and man up

 

[fernandopartridge]

I see a false flag is being raised about covid deaths being recorded where they reckon the person died of something else. It is being stirred up by Hancock etc and lapped up by morons.
It's complete ignorance of what goes on a death certificate and the seriousness with which they're completed by very well trained people. This country is going down the tubes, it is full of unthinking idiots.

 

[David O'Day]

The appear to have stopped releasing the figures? I can't find them anywhere?

 

[clint van damme]

I see a false flag is being raised about covid deaths being recorded where they reckon the person died of something else. It is being stirred up by Hancock etc and lapped up by morons.
It's complete ignorance of what goes on a death certificate and the seriousness with which they're completed by very well trained people. This country is going down the tubes, it is full of unthinking idiots.

he fucking lied about the date we locked down in the commons and laughed as he was saying it, not one fuck given.
Maybe Starmer will bring it up in ten years time the fucking melt.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The appear to have stopped releasing the figures? I can't find them anywhere?

Yeah this is part of what I refer to, they're now claiming the data isn't reliable so stopping its publication. I daresay the data is showing anything that would convince the public it is safe to go back to normal.

 

[covmark]

The appear to have stopped releasing the figures? I can't find them anywhere?

Easy to find with a Google search 687 new infections 117 new deaths.

Edit: 114 deaths

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Concerning really if we're all compelled *despite* scientific advice.

I do get that it's pretty catastrophic if we all end up out of work as a result of this, but I also don't see why you wouldn't keep social distancing measures in place throughout the winter anyway. If numbers are still low at that stage then happy days, might be able to relax a little.

But why on earth risk us all going into meltdown / lockdown again? Surely that'd be worse for the economy than mitigation and a slowing?

The vague plans for wholescale reopening schools should come with the admission that any kind of distancing will be near impossible to maintain. I still don't really have any idea of what I'm returning to in September.

 

[chiefdave]

The vague plans for wholescale reopening schools should come with the admission that any kind of distancing will be near impossible to maintain. I still don't really have any idea of what I'm returning to in September.

Whitty pretty much implied that today. Said "when children go back to school we may have to put in other measures to make up for that".

 

[skybluetony176]

The vague plans for wholescale reopening schools should come with the admission that any kind of distancing will be near impossible to maintain. I still don't really have any idea of what I'm returning to in September.

I was talking to a mate about this the other day, he’s a bit of a Dom in that he thinks Boris can do no wrong only he should be old enough to know better. I was saying that there’s been no real government planning for the reopening of schools, no planning on how to reduce class sizes etc. He said what do I expect the government to do so I reeled of using public spaces such as libraries, using local facilities such as church halls for extra classroom space, fast tracking student teachers through to increase the numbers of available teachers to increase the numbers of available classes, asking teachers to delay retirement, asking teachers newly retired to return for the same reason, to start a program now of building temporary classrooms to go on playgrounds and playing fields pointing out that we built nightingale hospitals in weeks why can’t we do this for schools for September. The main point I was making was that these decisions needed making now or in reality weeks ago but the government are impotent in forward planning. He agreed to some extent saying that those were all good ideas, until I pointed out most were Kier Starmers ideas anyway.

Now we have Boris telling everyone things will be back to normal by Christmas. How? There’s no plan to achieve this it’s just a detachment from reality. Typical of this government, just carry on in the hope that an answer is going to fall in their laps.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I was talking to a mate about this the other day, he’s a bit of a Dom in that he thinks Boris can do no wrong only he should be old enough to know better. I was saying that there’s been no real government planning for the reopening of schools, no planning on how to reduce class sizes etc. He said what do I expect the government to do so I reeled of using public spaces such as libraries, using local facilities such as church halls for extra classroom space, fast tracking student teachers through to increase the numbers of available teachers to increase the numbers of available classes, asking teachers to delay retirement, asking teachers newly retired to return for the same reason, to start a program now of building temporary classrooms to go on playgrounds and playing fields pointing out that we built nightingale hospitals in weeks why can’t we do this for schools for September. The main point I was making was that these decisions needed making now or in reality weeks ago but the government are impotent in forward planning. He agreed to some extent saying that those were all good ideas, until I pointed out most were Kier Starmers ideas anyway.

Now we have Boris telling everyone things will be back to normal by Christmas. How? There’s no plan to achieve this it’s just a detachment from reality. Typical of this government, just carry on in the hope that an answer is going to fall in their laps.

I’m just not going to look at email until I absolutely have to. Your ideas could possibly work for primary schools but for secondary school lessons in practical subjects we really need the facilities. Plus with the shit behaviour of a fair number of students you’d just end up with more workspaces getting trashed. To be honest, if the new normal is even harder than the old one I’ll start looking for a way out.

 

[Ian1779]

I’m just not going to look at email until I absolutely have to. Your ideas could possibly work for primary schools but for secondary school lessons in practical subjects we really need the facilities. Plus with the shit behaviour of a fair number of students you’d just end up with more workspaces getting trashed. To be honest, if the new normal is even harder than the old one I’ll start looking for a way out.

Not sure what your school are doing but our
is doing the following:

Kids in Year group bubbles and in a specific zone within the school so they only ever go in 8-10 classroom apart from PE which is only outside. They come to school in PE kit the days they have it. Drama, Music, DT are classroom theory only - no practical.

Teachers are assigned to Key Stage silos (KS3 or KS4/5) so you can teach multi-year but not across key stages to reduce contamination. They have planned for no social distancing between kids (as it’s impossible to suggest they can) but adults have to do so with children and with each other. Staggered breaks and lunches in different zones so no groups interact with cleaning time between.

We have quite a strong union presence within school so they have been involved in these plans to keep staff as safe as possible. We have a couple of teachers that are still very at risk so they are staying at home and teaching KS5 only remotely.

Johnsons suggestion we will back to normality is just nonsense but entirely predictable. The first 2/3 weeks back at school will be key. If the infection rate is not under control once we have these large scale gatherings inside then I fully expect schools to close and be in another lockdown by Oct/Nov that may last into Feb.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Johnsons suggestion we will back to normality is just nonsense but entirely predictable. The first 2/3 weeks back at school will be key. If the infection rate is not under control once we have these large scale gatherings inside then I fully expect schools to close and be in another lockdown by Oct/Nov that may last into Feb.

That’s the attitude Ian! Hardly nonsense I like the optimism from boris

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not sure what your school are doing but our
is doing the following:

Kids in Year group bubbles and in a specific zone within the school so they only ever go in 8-10 classroom apart from PE which is only outside. They come to school in PE kit the days they have it. Drama, Music, DT are classroom theory only - no practical.

Teachers are assigned to Key Stage silos (KS3 or KS4/5) so you can teach multi-year but not across key stages to reduce contamination. They have planned for no social distancing between kids (as it’s impossible to suggest they can) but adults have to do so with children and with each other. Staggered breaks and lunches in different zones so no groups interact with cleaning time between.

We have quite a strong union presence within school so they have been involved in these plans to keep staff as safe as possible. We have a couple of teachers that are still very at risk so they are staying at home and teaching KS5 only remotely.

Johnsons suggestion we will back to normality is just nonsense but entirely predictable. The first 2/3 weeks back at school will be key. If the infection rate is not under control once we have these large scale gatherings inside then I fully expect schools to close and be in another lockdown by Oct/Nov that may last into Feb.

I don’t know what my school is doing because they haven’t said. Teaching science I’m kind of petrified about how I’m going to do class practicals with this stuff in the background and thinking more about not trying to make a COVID mistake than teach properly. It’s giving me anxiety just thinking about it to be honest

 

[Ian1779]

That’s the attitude Ian! Hardly nonsense I like the optimism from boris

You eat bullshit for breakfast or you literally have no clue how this is practically going to play out.

 

[Ian1779]

I don’t know what my school is doing because they haven’t said. Teaching science I’m kind of petrified about how I’m going to do class practicals with this stuff in the background and thinking more about not trying to make a COVID mistake than teach properly. It’s giving me anxiety just thinking about it to be honest

That’s shit - your School should have tried to give you some kind of info as to their approach to put your mind at ease.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s the attitude Ian! Hardly nonsense I like the optimism from boris

I could confidently predict that the City will win every game next season, it doesn’t make the confidence any less misplaced. There will be no distancing possible in schools and as children still transmit the virus then you may as well remove all the restrictions for adults too. But he isn’t doing that, why not?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s shit - your School should have tried to give you some kind of info as to their approach to put your mind at ease.

SMT approach is to leak stuff to HoDs to then share with us and canvass opinion before deciding what to do. I have also had nothing through about going up the main scale so it seems like I’ve burned myself out this year for no rise. If it continues as is next year I’ll look more closely at leaving the profession and going back into science.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

On one side you've got Sir Patrick Vallance FRS FMedSci FRCP and Chris Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci, on the other Johnson. I know which side I'd trust.

Trouble is which is the one that gets the final say...

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I see a false flag is being raised about covid deaths being recorded where they reckon the person died of something else. It is being stirred up by Hancock etc and lapped up by morons.
It's complete ignorance of what goes on a death certificate and the seriousness with which they're completed by very well trained people. This country is going down the tubes, it is full of unthinking idiots.

Yep. Just there to deflect.

Technically almost no-one has died of AIDS. Usually end up dying of pneumonia.

Same with cancer - what finishes most off is an infection the body is too weak to fight.

Even if it doesn't kill them Covid could be the difference between someone dying and someone not. Why I'm fearful of big numbers in winter - if people have damaged lungs from Covid it could make a massive difference in being able to fight off cold, flu or pneumonia

 

[Ian1779]

SMT approach is to leak stuff to HoDs to then share with us and canvass opinion before deciding what to do. I have also had nothing through about going up the main scale so it seems like I’ve burned myself out this year for no rise. If it continues as is next year I’ll look more closely at leaving the profession and going back into science.

Where have we seen that shit approach before...

Also if you are on mainscale (M1-6) you should be moved up automatically. It’s only when you get to M6 and want to go through threshold or move up UPS that you have to ‘apply’ to move up. If you're being told otherwise it’s not true, irrespective of performance management.

 

[skybluetony176]

That’s the attitude Ian! Hardly nonsense I like the optimism from boris

Can you give us three things Boris is going to do to achieve it?