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David O'Day
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problem with there logic there is it is the DHSC that calls the local lockdowns
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Memorable, that's for sure!
skybluetony176
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skybluesam66
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Deaths down by 5000 and now only 100 a week
fernandopartridge
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I posted the 1k infections on here, it came from a Sage paper, have a look back
fernandopartridge
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Places that had a far more stringent lockdown have done far better dim
Sky Blue Pete
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What does this mean?
Sky Blue Pete
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That’s right thanks for reminder. All I really need is some clear direction to these things. Not this slow decision making and back tracking
David O'Day
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They've officially "lowered" the overall death count by 5k so it is still fucking awful just a tint bit less awful
David O'Day
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Manage to write off 5k deaths and we are still by far the worst in Europe
Resign Boris you useless c**t
Resign Boris you useless c**t
Sky Blue Pete
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What’s the reason?
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People who had had coronavirus were having it recorded as cause of death, even if considered not to be the case.
tbf it's all irrelevant - excess deaths is the best measure. Always has been, always will be.
David O'Day
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Crying tories some guff about the covid-19 positive being too long before death. Stupid given what we know about long covid .
This means if covid-19 weakened your heart or lungs and you died of this but died more than 28 days after the test you aren't counted anymore
skybluesam66
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Basically if you ever had covid and at some point died you were included irrespective of how you died. Even if you were knocked over by a bus.
Sky Blue Pete
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Do we know how many people were included that were run over?
skybluetony176
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I don’t know what you’ve been reading or who you’ve been listening too but you need to find a new outlet for information.
skybluesam66
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Exactly the same just been on BBC news - I suspect you need to check your source!!
Nearly 4,200 deaths may be wiped from official statistics due to counting error
Last month, Health Secretary Matt Hancock ordered a review into the way the daily death count was calculated in England, citing a possible ‘statistical flaw’.
metro.co.uk
Counting error means thousands of covid deaths 'to be wiped'
The numbers will be reconfigured so deaths are only counted if a person dies within 28 days of testing positive - like in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Why no-one can ever recover from COVID-19 in England – a statistical anomaly - CEBM
Yoon K Loke, Carl Heneghan People living in England have become increasingly concerned in the face of Public Health England’s
skybluetony176
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No they didn’t. If you get knocked of your bike it’s not recorded as a Covid death, that’s just nonsense. If you just watched BBC you would have seen someone who died of complications from Covid 4 weeks after being diagnosed with Covid in hospital having never left hospital, his death is no longer considered a Covid death because it took him longer than 28 days to die. If anything this highlights that other parts of the U.K. wasn’t recording deaths correctly and probably helps explain the gulf between Covid reported deaths and excess deaths. All the government has done is take an opportunity to make that gulf larger.Exactly the same just been on BBC news - I suspect you need to check your source!!
Nearly 4,200 deaths may be wiped from official statistics due to counting error
Last month, Health Secretary Matt Hancock ordered a review into the way the daily death count was calculated in England, citing a possible ‘statistical flaw’.Counting error means thousands of covid deaths 'to be wiped'
The numbers will be reconfigured so deaths are only counted if a person dies within 28 days of testing positive - like in Scotland and Northern Ireland.www.lancs.live
Why no-one can ever recover from COVID-19 in England – a statistical anomaly - CEBM
Yoon K Loke, Carl Heneghan People living in England have become increasingly concerned in the face of Public Health England’swww.cebm.net
skybluesam66
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yes, so that is an anomaly the other way, but the "knocked off your bike" was removed from the count today as yes it was nonsense, that is why it was removed . Please read up . This was only in England not the rest of the uk. Basically over time the death rate from covid would have been 100% as eventually they would have all died. This is removing this anomaly
UK 'overestimates' coronavirus death toll: study
Britain ordered an urgent review Friday into how coronavirus deaths are counted after a study suggested health authorities are overestimating the toll by counting people who died long after recovering.
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David O'Day
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Exactly the same just been on BBC news - I suspect you need to check your source!!
Nearly 4,200 deaths may be wiped from official statistics due to counting error
Last month, Health Secretary Matt Hancock ordered a review into the way the daily death count was calculated in England, citing a possible ‘statistical flaw’.Counting error means thousands of covid deaths 'to be wiped'
The numbers will be reconfigured so deaths are only counted if a person dies within 28 days of testing positive - like in Scotland and Northern Ireland.Why no-one can ever recover from COVID-19 in England – a statistical anomaly - CEBM
Yoon K Loke, Carl Heneghan People living in England have become increasingly concerned in the face of Public Health England’s
You need to learn to read kid
David O'Day
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yes, so that is an anomaly the other way, but the "knocked off your bike" was removed from the count today as yes it was nonsense, that is why it was removed . Please read up . This was only in England not the rest of the uk. Basically over time the death rate from covid would have been 100% as eventually they would have all died. This is removing this anomaly
UK 'overestimates' coronavirus death toll: study
Britain ordered an urgent review Friday into how coronavirus deaths are counted after a study suggested health authorities are overestimating the toll by counting people who died long after recovering.medicalxpress.com
That doesn't say anyone was included because they were run over by a bus or knocked off a bike.
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skybluesam66
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"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later,"
I am clearly not reading that right then kid
Per Sky news :-
Previously anyone who has ever tested positive for the virus in England was automatically counted as a coronavirus death when they died, even if their death was likely to be caused by something else.
Per Reuters
Previously, in England, there was no cut-off time to record deaths after a positive test, leading academics to raise concerns that some people were being recorded as victims of COVID-19 when they may have died of something else.
David O'Day
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Nothing in what you have just posted says they actually did that. Your reading comprehension is sub primary school.
As I said it does not say anyone was actually recorded in the figures after dying in RTA.
As I said it does not say anyone was actually recorded in the figures after dying in RTA.
David O'Day
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skybluesam66
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"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later,"
you really are in a different world
And you also think it acceptable to insult . I suggest you both open your mind and educate yourself - as from all of your posts, there is something clearly lacking
Previously anyone who has ever tested positive for the virus in England was automatically counted as a coronavirus death when they died,
you really are in a different world
And you also think it acceptable to insult . I suggest you both open your mind and educate yourself - as from all of your posts, there is something clearly lacking
Previously anyone who has ever tested positive for the virus in England was automatically counted as a coronavirus death when they died,
David O'Day
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The bit you highlighted doesn't day any was it gives a hypothetical scenario. It does not say anyone actually did.
It's hypothetical and it doesn't claim that anyone was listed after being hit by a bus. The sentence could of read as below and meant the same thing as the sentence doesn't actually claim anyone was listed after being hit by a bus 3 months later.
"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were abducted by aliens"
Come back to me when you can read.
It's hypothetical and it doesn't claim that anyone was listed after being hit by a bus. The sentence could of read as below and meant the same thing as the sentence doesn't actually claim anyone was listed after being hit by a bus 3 months later.
"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were abducted by aliens"
Come back to me when you can read.
skybluesam66
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Please read the bottom sentence in my quote. It doesnt specifically say a bus - but does say however you die it was treated as Covid
The bus was an example - I know people on the scale do struggle with examples
if you are struggling with that I despair at education in this country
At least your grades will be on triple lock
David O'Day
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" Previously anyone who has ever tested positive for the virus in England was automatically counted as a coronavirus death "
You mean this sentence that doesn't even mention buses?
Can you prove anyone who had coronavirus was actually run over by a bus if you want to take this equally flawed line? According to the ONJS 1748 people were killed in RTAs in 2019. If we say 10% of them were caused by buses (which is a massive over estimation) then 175 people were killed by buses in 2018 which equates to about 14.6 people dying after being run over by a bus each month in 2019. If we take the months of April, May, June and July then at that rate about 58.5 people were run over by a bus. What is the likelyhood that any of those 58 and a half people had ever had covid-19? This is without factoring in the every decling number of deaths in RTAs, the fact you are more likely to get run over in darker winter months and the fact that less people are out and about to be run over which means the actual number of people run over by a bus in the allotted time period is a fraction of that.
So your evidence that someone was definitely added to the cogvid death total after being run over by a bus is a) a hypothetical sentence and the vague chance that some was run over by a bus after contracting covid-19.
This education system you mock seemed to have clearly failed you.
skybluesam66
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beyond words.......
Basically if you ever had covid and at some point died you were included irrespective of how you died. Even if you were knocked over by a bus. (was what I said)
So your evidence that someone was definitely added to the cogvid death total after being run over by a bus (is what you translated that into)
Hopefully you can see the failure in your comprehension
so to not mess with your condition further I will say, yes you are of course right. Thankyou so much for pointing this out - well done. Note to self (must do better)
Basically if you ever had covid and at some point died you were included irrespective of how you died. Even if you were knocked over by a bus. (was what I said)
So your evidence that someone was definitely added to the cogvid death total after being run over by a bus (is what you translated that into)
Hopefully you can see the failure in your comprehension
so to not mess with your condition further I will say, yes you are of course right. Thankyou so much for pointing this out - well done. Note to self (must do better)
fernandopartridge
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No, the deaths still occurred and they've just put an arbitrary time limit of 28 days from infection when a death that a doctor has recorded was caused by COVID-19 can be included in the stats. It's the usual smoke and mirror tactic.
fernandopartridge
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That is bollocks