Nationalism factually has created the world we live in and driven technological development in an attempt to be one step ahead. Liberalism and anti nationalism is the death or the world we know it at current... well it’s already burning look at the way the west has changed in the face of twenty years.
Liberalism feed on oppressing people and branding people with terms like ‘fascist’ and the golden one ‘racist’ if they don’t agree with their perspective on a subject matter. Leon Trotsky driven that communist word to oppress those who didn’t believe in their ideology and it worked, you slander and brand someone with the term so much people begin to believe it. I’m not fond of the EDL just to align my views but Tommy Robinson is quite a golden subject matter on that point so many times he’s been called a racist and when asked to prove he’s a racist they’ve never factually provided clear full proof evidence to prove their claim yet their stance is always portrayed by the media to be the ‘correct’ decision/stance.
Open borders have proven a great deal, failure... mass rape... undocumented individuals....
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Nationalism has been a major cause of wars and unrest since the first days of global travel. People assuming they're the 'chosen people' with a divine right to rule others and try to take them over to instill their 'correct' way of life upon them, creating the incendiary situations you blame liberalism for. Have you not noticed that the world has actually been far more peaceful in Europe since it became more liberal and open compared to centuries of endless wars between the countries and their nationalistic fervours? No-one has stoked the fire and made the world more dangerous in recent years than Trump - a massive nationalist who creates tension worldwide with his view that America has a given right to dictate to others. You can use the same argument with Jinping in China and Putin in Russia.
Yes there are some supposed liberals who will decry racist/homophobe etc with anyone who disagrees with them, but how is that different to nationalists like Trump. Any deviance from "we're great" is met with cries of "traitor!" and "you hate this country". Same coin, different sides.
The liberals that do that aren't really liberals. Their mindset is actually that of a nationalist just without a nation to attach that belief to. That's what happened in Soviet Russia. They took over and set about instilling their beliefs onto the nation and no deviation was allowed. A national identity is nothing more than a narrow set of beliefs that have been able to be instilled on a particular defendable area through force until such time has passed that generations have been brought up thinking that way and no-one can remember thinking differently.
TRUE liberals think people can believe whatever they wish as long as they don't harm or try and force that opinion onto others. The reason they don't prosper is because the nationalists will willing wipe them out so they can instill their narrow interpretation of what should and shouldn't be allowed as that's the 'right' way of thinking.
You talk about how the west is 'burning' over the last twenty years. You do realise there's a lag between political change and behavioural change due to things like education taking time to seep through? What you're seeing now is the fallout of the Reagan and Thatcher era because 'Thatcher's children' are now the ones grown up and in positions of power steering the ship. This is the outcome of the "greed is good" mentality and we're seeing ever increasing disparity between rich and poor due to it, resulting in antagonism between the two and the societal problems caused by it.
Open borders you can take anyway you want if you only look at the bits you want. Anyone complaining about the cheap builders and labourers that come in and keep the costs of your food etc down by working for less than the Brits? I forgot that before this we were a utopia with no crime or murders. Those damn pesky immigrants like the Kray Twins, Peter Sutcliffe, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Rose and Fred West, Harold Shipman ruining our idylicc little island.
You talk about liberalism being about oppression of the people and then bring up one of the least liberal countries in the world in the Saudia Arabia and their religious beliefs, attitude towards gays etc. Because they sure as hell don't oppress the people that veer from the 'acceptable' path! And the liberals ARE outraged by their behaviour. It's the capitalists in thrall of their wealth and governments balls deep in arms deals and/or literally over an (oil) barrel due to energy needs that accept it. Liberal groups are constantly saying we should sanction them, stop arming them etc.
You're correct nationalism made Europe what it is (or was). A place hellbent on taking over the rest of the world at each others expense and perpetually at war with each other as they tried to claim it for their own. WWI and II were caused by nationalists. Since WWII and a more liberal, open approach we've had the longest period of peace in the region since probably ever.
You say we should be more nationalist, but that means every other country is nationalist too and puts themselves first. So then you've got France thinking their country is great and their way of life the correct way forward, Spain does, Germany does too. And that inevitably leads to the point where you end up producing people who think their nation is chosen above all others and decides everyone else should think that way too. That's the kind of thinking that produced Hitler, and has produced Trump. It's also the backbone of China's thinking and their oppression of autonomous regions and minorities and attempts to expand further. Israel has a similar mindset that they know better than the rest of the Middle East and impose themselves on it backed by America. They start wars and invading people to 'educate' them on the errors of their ways and to save them from themselves. So fuck it, let's all be nationalists and go to war with Germany again because they think they're the masterrace. Or perhaps Spain over different religious beliefs? Or France over some spurious belief of a claim to rule the area?
Right leaning views have led to the massive imbalance in society and the animosity that creates between the two and created the current powder keg ready to explode. The only reason it has done so so rarely in the past is due to the imbalance of power allowing the haves to coerce the have-nots into submission due to access to technology and arms. But of course it's the liberals that are all about oppression aren't they!
As you talked about nationalism driving technological development you're assuming that the technology we have developed is the best we could have come up with. That this is where we've ended up and therefore must be the best outcome. But how do we know that? Huge amounts of nationalist spending goes on the military yet how do we know the trillions of dollar spent developing tanks, fighter jets and missiles couldn't have meant we'd have already cured cancer, AIDS or dementia if they'd been appropriated elsewhere in something more constructive than a weapon that could wipe all life from the Earth?
We've made massive scientific advances with people from all different nationalities working together on projects, pooling resources. If each nation did that separately you're talking huge amounts of replicated jobs, research etc and thus wasted money and resources as they all go theri own way trying to come up with the same thing. Take the internet. Berners-Lee and a team of scientists from around the world created this wonderful tool not for military purposes. But its the nationalists like China that have hijacked it and used it to attack other nations and spy on and oppress their own people.
If you look at all political parties over history as they become more popular and powerful and become part of the 'establishment' they naturally move more towards self-preservation and elitism. As they obtain power they attract the more selfish people who see it as a means to obtain power and enrichment for themselves rather than how they can best serve the people. The Tories were once the 'liberal' side against the Whigs. Labour have also moved in that direction away from its roots.
The fact that you can say Conservatism has the best interests of 'the nation' at heart when looking at the current shitshow, with the rampant cronyism of giving mates jobs without interviewing or selection processes and handing out ocontracts to mates companies without tender even though they've got no experience in that field whatsoever is almost unbelievable. We've got the highest death toll and highest economic contraction so what a hell of a job they're doing for the country eh! They don't give a fuck about the country, they give a fuck about themselves. If it doesn't benefit them then it can fuck off. Same with the uber- Nationlist Trump. It's all about him. He couldn't give a fuck about America - he gives a fuck about him. As far as he's concerned America = Trump. If it's good for Trump it's good for America. If it's bad for Trump it's bad for America. It's that simple.
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