fernandopartridge
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Good, devolution couldn't happen sooner if you ask me
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (19 Viewers)
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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so you're lying, thats fine
Go outside and take a walk ROS.
Honestly, I am slightly concerned about you. I'm not sure why you keep setting out to try and have arguments. We're all a bit frustrated at the moment, but you are coming across as completely unreasonable on a considerable regularity.
Will be interesting watching the government react and play politics with the situation as they seem unable to decide if they want devolution or centralism depending on the circumstances.
Nick
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The whole thing is about politics. Anybody who can make a decision is playing politics.
The media are playing politics.
Nonces.
shmmeee
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From what I can see the only politics here is:
Johnson doing a Brexit Corbyn and trying to please both his newfound base (generally pro lockdown) and his party (generally anti lockdown) and as with all people stood in the middle of the road is getting run over.
Sunak sticking rigidly to his dogma despite interest rates being at an all time low and borrowing making sense.
If we weren’t scared of short/local lockdowns for those two reasons we’d just do the strategy as devised. It’s trying to square that circle that’s causing all the issues. Burnham wouldn’t be being crowned King of the North right now if Tier 3 came with furlough support.
Johnson doing a Brexit Corbyn and trying to please both his newfound base (generally pro lockdown) and his party (generally anti lockdown) and as with all people stood in the middle of the road is getting run over.
Sunak sticking rigidly to his dogma despite interest rates being at an all time low and borrowing making sense.
If we weren’t scared of short/local lockdowns for those two reasons we’d just do the strategy as devised. It’s trying to square that circle that’s causing all the issues. Burnham wouldn’t be being crowned King of the North right now if Tier 3 came with furlough support.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Did we? Last time I checked sending positive cases into a largely closed environment of the most vulnerable people isn't shielding
chiefdave
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Also the ground that was shielded is not the same group being talked about as having underlying conditions, its a tiny fraction of that much bigger group.
Sky Blue Pete
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What’s Boris on about now. Announcing a whole host of new stuff he’s not got a cat in hells chance of pulling off
Philosoraptor
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Yes, but we must protect the economy.
How much of a sociopath do you have to be to toe this line?
Its all about the money.
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Deleted member 5849
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Well... I can understand the argument that if we run out of cash to fund the NHS, we're all shafted.
However we could, of course, consider raising taxes on those lucky enough to be earning, to help pay for rehabilitation both medically and economically of those who won't be after this finishes...
Philosoraptor
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Or we could of just raised business rates in the good times and used it in the bad.
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Deleted member 5849
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Not arguing with you.
I'm all for more taxes on everything (including myself!) to pay for a better standard of living for us all, and a better society.
But... that's why I'm not in government
Brighton Sky Blue
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Surey that's even worst then.
No it isn’t the disease had just become common knowledge and they had limited data
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Well, I would consider being allowed out once a day for exercise across the whole nation as pretty much shielding.
Sending patients into care homes from hospital is a completely different thing.
Ian1779
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Deadly is a word.... think that’s slightly more important for me.
They still didn't do their job though.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Anyone here actually had the virus? I gotta self isolate as someone I know tested positive and I had been with them recently and she works in the hospital.
Why are you shagging nurses during a pandemic? Brave.
Philosoraptor
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Decent map showing the growth of the virus.
Brighton Sky Blue
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That’s just BS
Brighton Sky Blue
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Think it’s shmmee’s missus
Friends as far as I'm aware after like 15 years friendship
, plus I'm already with someone.How's it bullshit? They were called in to check on information of the virus spreading, there is now ay it's this infectious and they couldn't find any evidence of it.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You know nothing about pathology dude
shmmeee
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A country that has a fiat currency can’t run out of money.
As long as growth and inflation beat interest rates it’s always worth borrowing to invest.
It’s absolutely insane and economically illiterate to destroy the economy worrying about today’s deficit when you will need to spend exponentially more to get back what you’ve lost.
Jesus can you imagine these morons in charge during WW2? “Sorry we’re out of money for spitfires, got to keep the deficit under control” ... ten years later your deficit doesn’t matter cos you trade in Deutschmarks.
If we push millions out of work, destroy viable businesses, push people into mental health crises, it’ll cost us so much to get back.
fernandopartridge
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It doesn't protect 'the economy'.
As i've posted previously, 'the economy' to a Conservative (and New Labour) politician does not mean the livelihoods of the masses, it means the very wealthy.
The inaction the first time around left our economy in a worst state and now the job losses are piling up.
clint van damme
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the excess death rate since March is similar to the worse 7 months of the Blitz, were people then saying fuck going down air raid shelters any more, or wearing gas masks or shipping kids out to the country, let's get back to normal, get those kids back in school?!
fernandopartridge
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Inflation is the only thing to really worry about.
@Deleted member 5849 have a read of 'The Deficit Myth' which exposes the completely false paradigm presented to us since the 70s
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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We previously shielded everyone and that didn't work.
That was your original quote. Maybe I'm mad but when we talk about everyone I assume that to include the people in care homes.
Besides which we had the lockdown and the number of cases, deaths etc fell. We've opened stuff up and their rising again. So it's easy to argue that it did work as there's a correlation. Of course there will likely be other factors (the change in temperatures etc) that made a difference but when you look at other places like Brazil with a hotter climate than us that didn't shut down and their cases haven't dropped off it adds more credibility to the thought it was the lockdown that had the bigger effect than the weather.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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The reason the economy to them is based around the wealthy is because of the metric used to assess 'success'. As long as the overall mean average growth improves then the economy has improved and getting a handful of billionnaires significant increases in wealth is far easier to achieve than getting millions of people a few grand better off.