Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (139 Viewers)

[Johnnythespider]

I agree that would be nice.

I have to say, talking to some lesser fortunate than myself people in the US...the financial support in the UK is absolutely head and shoulders above here.

When I tell people that they are now again paying people 80% of their salary I’d been furloughed they can’t believe it. They got one $1200 cheque if they were lucky months and months ago.

Whether you think it’s enough or not - it could be a damn sight worse

It could be worse and it's been a lifesaver for a lot of people, if i have a criticism it would be to ask why it was announced it would be ending, this led many companies to go into redundancy mode, this includes where i work where 45 people have this week lost their jobs, if a couple of months back the chancellor had announced the decision to continue furlough until March, those people and many more like them would probably still be in a job.

 

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[SBAndy]

It could be worse and it's been a lifesaver for a lot of people, if i have a criticism it would be to ask why it was announced it would be ending, this led many companies to go into redundancy mode, this includes where i work where 45 people have this week lost their jobs, if a couple of months back the chancellor had announced the decision to continue furlough until March, those people and many more like them would probably still be in a job.

Cynically, I’m starting to believe it was a deliberate ploy to avoid paying out furlough funding for “unviable jobs”. Problem is, it will have also led to the loss of viable jobs along with it, but the Tories don’t strike me as people concerned about collateral damage.

 

[robbiekeane]

Cynically, I’m starting to believe it was a deliberate ploy to avoid paying out furlough funding for “unviable jobs”. Problem is, it will have also led to the loss of viable jobs along with it, but the Tories don’t strike me as people concerned about collateral damage.

Very cynical. Could’ve had nothing, or a £1200 cheque back in April and a good luck wish

From a financial assistance perspective, whilst not perfect, I think it’s been one of the best.

Imagine not having anything and still having to pay rent, mortgages, feed the family etc

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Very cynical. Could’ve had nothing, or a £1200 cheque back in April and a good luck wish

From a financial assistance perspective, whilst not perfect, I think it’s been one of the best.

Imagine not having anything and still having to pay rent, mortgages, feed the family etc

Yeah, my issue isn't with the support going out (as you say, the figures are pretty large really) but, as with much of this, it doesn't seem they've done much in the way of fine-tuning over time. It's nearly eight months gone now, and we're extending the same scheme. Now I'm sure if we'd changed it, I'd have been unhappy with whatever they decided but it does surprise me that there's been seemingly little forward planning, anticipating support being needed into the future.

Well, I say surprise...

 

[Grendel]

Yeah, my issue isn't with the support going out (as you say, the figures are pretty large really) but, as with much of this, it doesn't seem they've done much in the way of fine-tuning over time. It's nearly eight months gone now, and we're extending the same scheme. Now I'm sure if we'd changed it, I'd have been unhappy with whatever they decided but it does surprise me that there's been seemingly little forward planning, anticipating support being needed into the future.

Well, I say surprise...

I fail to see what else they could do - it’s easily the best support across most major European countries and will cost far more. I don’t know why they switched from the part time scheme they announced in October which would have shown commitment from employers. Frankly if people were made redundant in October they have no role going forward anyway

 

[Johnnythespider]

I fail to see what else they could do - it’s easily the best support across most major European countries and will cost far more. I don’t know why they switched from the part time scheme they announced in October which would have shown commitment from employers. Frankly if people were made redundant in October they have no role going forward anyway

The company i work for are currently "Rightsizing", we are in a unit that is far too big for the number of machines we now produce, we have, following these redundancies, been manned up to produce 4 machines a day, however the plan is to increase the build to 10 machines a day in a new smaller unit we are due to move to next year, my point here is that there will be roles to meet this increase, they will now be filled by temporary labour rather than those who have just lost their jobs.

 

[Ian1779]

So yesterday we were informed that 2 siblings had a positive test Year 11 and 8 (they’d been in school Mon and Tues AM before going home unwell) We had to send home 120 kids right away based on locality to the students. We then found out a couple of hours later that some of the students we intended to send home were already ill at home - with symptoms of Cov-ID. In fact another 8 students may have become infected by these 2 - that meant another 100 kids initially as we have to expand the net. If any of those kids with symptoms return a positive test that will mean another 200 at least going off. The initial lot of kids had 2 days together, with another 2 days of mixing it between them if they had contracted it. It’s an absolute mess. Imagine the impact in taking that home to relatives - some of which could be at risk/vulnerable.

Anyone that doesn’t believe schools aren’t a breeding ground for it needs their head examined. The right thing now has to be move to online learning, cancel the exams for Year 11’s and give us time to plan this properly.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So yesterday we were informed that 2 siblings had a positive test Year 11 and 8 (they’d been in school Mon and Tues AM before going home unwell) We had to send home 120 kids right away based on locality to the students. We then found out a couple of hours later that some of the students we intended to send home were already ill at home - with symptoms of Cov-ID. In fact another 8 students may have become infected by these 2 - that meant another 100 kids initially as we have to expand the net. If any of those kids with symptoms return a positive test that will mean another 200 at least going off. The initial lot of kids had 2 days together, with another 2 days of mixing it between them if they had contracted it. It’s an absolute mess. Imagine the impact in taking that home to relatives - some of which could be at risk/vulnerable.

Anyone that doesn’t believe schools aren’t a breeding ground for it needs their head examined. The right thing now has to be move to online learning, cancel the exams for Year 11’s and give us time to plan this properly.

That was always the answer Ian but they never had the balls to do it.

 

[Nick]

Having been out this morning, there isn't a lockdown like last time.

Shops still open, people still queing up for shops etc.

 

[shmmeee]

Having been out this morning, there isn't a lockdown like last time.

Shops still open, people still queing up for shops etc.

Just back from Aldi, didn’t feel like lockdown out there. Not like the first one.

 

[chiefdave]

Having been out this morning, there isn't a lockdown like last time.

Shops still open, people still queing up for shops etc.

I've only left the house to walk the dog, and I deliberately go to places I know will be quiet, but every post I've seen on social media from friends is that there's not really a noticeable change from pre-lockdown.

Loads of shops still open, stretching the definition of essential to its limit, people still going to work - including those in office jobs that could easily be done from home and so on.

With schools and unis still open does might be concerned how big an impact this lockdown will have.

 

[Grendel]

The company i work for are currently "Rightsizing", we are in a unit that is far too big for the number of machines we now produce, we have, following these redundancies, been manned up to produce 4 machines a day, however the plan is to increase the build to 10 machines a day in a new smaller unit we are due to move to next year, my point here is that there will be roles to meet this increase, they will now be filled by temporary labour rather than those who have just lost their jobs.

What I don’t get though is the system in October could have accommodated that anyway by putting people on reduced time

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Having been out this morning, there isn't a lockdown like last time.

Shops still open, people still queing up for shops etc.

Roads are busy this time too (including me, I suppose, in order to notice!).

Last time, when I took my car out just to check the battery wasn't dead, I was about the only car on the road.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So yesterday we were informed that 2 siblings had a positive test Year 11 and 8 (they’d been in school Mon and Tues AM before going home unwell) We had to send home 120 kids right away based on locality to the students. We then found out a couple of hours later that some of the students we intended to send home were already ill at home - with symptoms of Cov-ID. In fact another 8 students may have become infected by these 2 - that meant another 100 kids initially as we have to expand the net. If any of those kids with symptoms return a positive test that will mean another 200 at least going off. The initial lot of kids had 2 days together, with another 2 days of mixing it between them if they had contracted it. It’s an absolute mess. Imagine the impact in taking that home to relatives - some of which could be at risk/vulnerable.

Anyone that doesn’t believe schools aren’t a breeding ground for it needs their head examined. The right thing now has to be move to online learning, cancel the exams for Year 11’s and give us time to plan this properly.

Not exactly the same scale, but first cases of Covid at Mrs Wisdom's workplace. Good to see keeping such things open is putting people at risk who, up to this point, hadn't been...

Even more helpfully, they've said there's been cases, but won't say exactly where they've worked, and asked people to wait until track and trace contact them (or not). Given the issues with track and trace...

Don't for the life of me understand why you don't either go full disclosure, or say nothing. This middle ground has just agitated people and, isn't entirely helpful for mental health and wellbeing(!) especially when they're expected to keep going in until they're told otherwise.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just back from Aldi, didn’t feel like lockdown out there. Not like the first one.

The online shopping delivery slot situation is a lot like the first one.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not exactly the same scale, but first cases of Covid at Mrs Wisdom's workplace. Good to see keeping such things open is putting people at risk who, up to this point, hadn't been...

Even more helpfully, they've said there's been cases, but won't say exactly where they've worked, and asked people to wait until track and trace contact them (or not). Given the issues with track and trace...

Don't for the life of me understand why you don't either go full disclosure, or say nothing. This middle ground has just agitated people and, isn't entirely helpful for mental health and wellbeing(!) especially when they're expected to keep going in until they're told otherwise.

We had a case in one year group this week. I wasn't told who it was, in fact nobody was and it went around the school as hear say with parents being called if their child had been sat near the person in question. Ignoring of course that at break and lunch they're mixing like there's no tomorrow. It's a total farce.

Noting that France's cases are spiralling up having shut everything else except the schools.

 

[David O'Day]

The online shopping delivery slot situation is a lot like the first one.

Really Mozzas is pretty sorted for free slots

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Really Mozzas is pretty sorted for free slots

That's because it's shit and nobody wants it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just had a look and even Morrisons is pretty scant on slots in my area

 

[wingy]

The online shopping delivery slot situation is a lot like the first one.

Did you get sorted out for a delivery in the end last week?

 

[wingy]

Get your Xmas slot's sorted,at a premium (surprise),,, gone for CC 23rd(Dec) Lol.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Did you get sorted out for a delivery in the end last week?

Family helped us out, we do have a slot for Monday.

 

[wingy]

Find like last time Iceland are pretty decent for not waiting for a slot forever.
BTW how does it stand now regards the definite ending of LD on the 2nd

 

[fernandopartridge]

Having been out this morning, there isn't a lockdown like last time.

Shops still open, people still queing up for shops etc.

Yeah, went out for a walk with the missus and kids, the volume of traffic just as normal. Shops busy. Most seemed to be open as well.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Coombe Abbey is rammed, they were turning people away from the car park.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I can’t bring myself to post on match thread (we’re holding our own but have got to cut up the sloppy errors and fast) so will just post some good news on here....especially as it’s amazing how many stop commenting on daily figures etc when they look like they’re improving - will take that though !

Stable confirmed cases across the UK over past few days (mid 20k’s). Also PHE England hospital cases have stabilised over past 4-5 days (around 10900 -11100) and so have those on ventilators (around 950-1000). All this before national restrictions have had the chance to kick in....albeit the half term may have helped

There was no critical analysis of the numbers when it didn’t suit people’s opinions/arguments. The briefing last week was an embarrassment (follow the science ?!!! As I said before the briefing, the sampling/modellers have been all over the place)

Ps I was sent this a couple of days ago. Some won’t like it but forget about sides of arguments, I think it maybe gives another glimmer of hope (had a google, doesn’t appear a crank www.lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong)

 

[chiefdave]

Stable confirmed cases across the UK over past few days (mid 20k’s). Also PHE England hospital cases have stabilised over past 4-5 days (around 10900 -11100) and so have those on ventilators (around 950-1000). All this before national restrictions have had the chance to kick in....albeit the half term may have helped

Good news if the numbers are stabilising as various head of NHS Trusts have expressed concern they were reaching the point of being overrun. Of course stabilisation of the current numbers is still high, next step is to see them start coming down.

My worry is that the current lockdown seems to be a pretty minimal change from what we were doing before lockdown. Makes me wonder how much impact it will have. Hopefully the refusal to close schools and unis won't come back to haunt us.

 

[bulko]

Know what would be nice.
If the Gov't gave all the essential workers who will now be coping with extra pressures workload etc, run the gauntlet with catching this disease, some on as little as £10 per hr a healthy Christmas bonus,cos without teacher's, driver's deliverers,pickers, Packers shop workers health including porters who disproportionally have caught it for their endeavours a minimum of £1k bonus ,better£2k while all the tree money is wafting around.

I work at Uhcw I wouldn’t count on it happening though nice suggestion.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Good news if the numbers are stabilising as various head of NHS Trusts have expressed concern they were reaching the point of being overrun. Of course stabilisation of the current numbers is still high, next step is to see them start coming down.

My worry is that the current lockdown seems to be a pretty minimal change from what we were doing before lockdown. Makes me wonder how much impact it will have. Hopefully the refusal to close schools and unis won't come back to haunt us.

It’s the same as elsewhere Dave ie Germany, France etc...the bigger question for me (which I might well be on the wrong side of science on) is does a national lockdown deliver any more than the Tier system would’ve

Either way fingers crossed

Ps you’ve attached some great articles on the subject, have a read of the attached. It’s interesting even if still uncertain

 

[shmmeee]

It’s the same as elsewhere Dave ie Germany, France etc...the bigger question for me (which I might well be on the wrong side of science on) is does a national lockdown deliver any more than the Tier system would’ve

Either way fingers crossed

Ps you’ve attached some great articles on the subject, have a read of the attached. It’s interesting even if still uncertain

I think what’s clear is we need proper enforcement of the rules TBF. It’s not a lockdown and people weren’t following the Tier rules either.

It’s blindingly obvious that the way to slow a pandemic is reduce contact between people.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Not a lockdown really is it?

Basically told us we're all ok to go to work but not allowed to do fuck all else.

Was always going to have minimal effect of people following the rules im afraid. My close friends, work colleagues etc were Angels last time through lockdown. None of them seem arsed this time round.

A picture seemingly reflected across the country. Don't think people realise just how much the mixed government messages and dreadful advice and u turns have affected peoples opinion and trust of the guidelines

Personally believe Boris doesn't give a toss, just needs to be seen to be doing something to appease people

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yep although infections levelling off are we going to keep getting 125,000 new ones a week and is that ok?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Not a lockdown really is it?

Basically told us we're all ok to go to work but not allowed to do fuck all else.

Was always going to have minimal effect of people following the rules im afraid. My close friends, work colleagues etc were Angels last time through lockdown. None of them seem arsed this time round.

A picture seemingly reflected across the country. Don't think people realise just how much the mixed government messages and dreadful advice and u turns have affected peoples opinion and trust of the guidelines

Personally believe Boris doesn't give a toss, just needs to be seen to be doing something to appease people

Agreed

 

[baldy]

You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff

They will be very grateful if you have some time to volunteer on the covid wards at uhcw and as it’s all a load of shit you won’t need to waste any ppe.