Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (178 Viewers)

[wingy]

Does it look like the improvents in treatments has reduced the mortality by around 50% compared direct with overall raw totals from the first round?
Scientist on TV this morning emphasising again quite a high percentage of those being admitted to hospital are working age mother's (women).

 

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[fernandopartridge]

 

[Nick]

Judging by the state of shops today, people are just meeting in them for a chat instead.

Absolutely rammed everywhere.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Judging by the state of shops today, people are just meeting in them for a chat instead.

Absolutely rammed everywhere.

Coombe Abbey they'd closed the car park again. Which meant that cars, who wanted to go there, decided to just stop in the road, rather than carrying on and finding somewhere else.

It does seem remarkably busy everywhere today! Tbf it's a lovely day, so an ideal chance to get a walk in, but still...

 

[clint van damme]

Judging by the state of shops today, people are just meeting in them for a chat instead.

Absolutely rammed everywhere.

I was in town Friday and it was dead, West Orchards was shut apart from the opticians, which is where I was going for an eye test.
Even Primark was shut when left the opticians at just gone 3.
Of the few shops that were open I think the case for a few of them to be classed as selling essentials would be very spurious indeed.

 

[Nick]

I went to Tesco and it was rammed, groups of people stood about chatting all over the place as well.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Pathetic

 

[clint van damme]

Pathetic

they've broken their own lockdown rules, misappropriated public funds, bent if not broken the planning laws to deprive a poor London borough of 40 million and been found guilty of bullying since this pandemic started and they haven't apologised for anything.
It should be a national scandal but very few people seem to give a fuck.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

they've broken their own lockdown rules, misappropriated public funds, bent if not broken the planning laws to deprive a poor London borough of 40 million and been found guilty of bullying since this pandemic started and they haven't apologised for anything.
It should be a national scandal but very few people seem to give a fuck.

It should be a scandal but they'll probably take their majority over 100

 

[baldy]

Apparently since February,the official stats are that,for those aged 60 or below & with no pre-existIng conditions,there’s only been 339 deaths...and that’s from the national office of statistics too

 

[David O'Day]

Apparently since February,the official stats are that,for those aged 60 or below & with no pre-existIng conditions,there’s only been 339 deaths...and that’s from the national office of statistics too

Can't see that in any of the published ONS reports into excess death.

Also it's a strawman argument that is wrong in that it pretends all viruses don't mostly will the weakest people and it's morally wrong in that it implies that people over 60 are somehow worth less.

 

[wingy]

Oxford vaccine is 90%effective, but for some reason BBC are portraying Only 70%
Like the others it requires two shots but is 70%effective after the first , Also talked of the first being a half dose.
This one doesn't require so much paraphernalia to store it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Again, a pre-existing condition includes asthma, high blood pressure... mental health issues(!)

It really isn't that simple!

 

[David O'Day]

Again, a pre-existing condition includes asthma, high blood pressure... mental health issues(!)

It really isn't that simple!

Exactly

Some folk are acting like people with pre-existing conditions were going to die anyway.

 

[Macca]

My observations from this weekend is that this lockdown is an utter farce. You can even tell the body language is different from the lockdown of Spring. Whether it’s fatigue or cynicism it feels totally different.

 

[David O'Day]

My observations from this weekend is that this lockdown is an utter farce. You can even tell the body language is different from the lockdown of Spring. Whether it’s fatigue or cynicism it feels totally different.

It's normal life but the pubs are shut at the moment

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's normal life but the pubs are shut at the moment

Normal life but I’m teaching in a box and can’t give someone a sheet

 

[Ian1779]

My observations from this weekend is that this lockdown is an utter farce. You can even tell the body language is different from the lockdown of Spring. Whether it’s fatigue or cynicism it feels totally different.

The government is about to essentially reset everyone’s expectations so that 20K cases and 400 deaths a day is the new baseline.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Oxford vaccine 70% effective. It's it just me who thinks that isn't very good?

 

[wingy]

Oxford vaccine 70% effective. It's it just me who thinks that isn't very good?

But it seems it isn't,yet that's how it's being presented

Given the others all require a double dose to achieve their efficacy threshold,why not measure like for like.
A half dose followed by a full dose achieves the figure of 90% .
Apples with apples.
Editlus it's 20% the cost of the others, doesn't require specialized storage,no one who caught Covid on the test required hospital treatment etc.
May also prevent transmission.

 

[wingy]

From the Hancock interview this morning he seems to think something approaching normality will prevail by post Easter.
Now if that's when vaccine is delivered to population IDK , but coming towards summer it should dissipate anyway as we move outdoors again.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But it seems it isn't,yet that's how it's being presented

Given the others all require a double dose to achieve their efficacy threshold,why not measure like for like.
A half dose followed by a full dose achieves the figure of 90% .
Apples with apples.
Editlus it's 20% the cost of the others, doesn't require specialized storage,no one who caught Covid on the test required hospital treatment etc.
May also prevent transmission.

Tbf, there was a professor just in the radio who said that was better than the flu vaccine.

Can't get away from the doubt that if we hadn't bought so much of it, we wouldn't be bugging it up so much, however.

 

[wingy]

Tbf, there was a professor just in the radio who said that was better than the flu vaccine.

Can't get away from the doubt that if we hadn't bought so much of it, we wouldn't be bugging it up so much, however.

Couldn't be useful to third world countries.

 

[wingy]

I do wonder sometimes if there is a passive desire to keep a little bit of it knocking around.
The state of Victoria has just eliminated it within their territory.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

no one who caught Covid on the test required hospital treatment etc.

That's good. I'd like to know how many of the higher risk groups took part in the trials.

 

[wingy]

That's good. I'd like to know how many of the higher risk groups took part in the trials.

Yep me too.
131 caught the virus I think,31 showed symptoms,no info yet on subsets.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Oxford vaccine is 90%effective, but for some reason BBC are portraying Only 70%
Like the others it requires two shots but is 70%effective after the first , Also talked of the first being a half dose.
This one doesn't require so much paraphernalia to store it.

The logical conclusion is that as the government has ordered only so many that they'll do mass vaccination using one shot

 

[wingy]

The logical conclusion is that as the government has ordered only so many that they'll do mass vaccination using one shot

Guess so,100M though .
Would have thought that's be enough for the uptake to be fair.

 

[wingy]

The logical conclusion is that as the government has ordered only so many that they'll do mass vaccination using one shot

Looking at it again ,1.5 shots just about correlates to the entire population .
Serendipity or who knew Lol.

 

[SBT]

Oxford vaccine 70% effective. It's it just me who thinks that isn't very good?

Take a look at the press release they put out and you’ll see the numbers are much better than that

Oxford University breakthrough on global COVID-19 vaccine | University of Oxford

Oxford announces interim trial data from its Phase III trials that show its candidate coronavirus vaccine is effective at preventing COVID-19 and offers a high level of protection.

www.ox.ac.uk

So in summary:

* If you take the vaccine in two full doses it’s 62% effective

* If you take the vaccine with one half dose followed by one full dose it’s 90% effective

So not only is the vaccine just as effective as the others, there’s also more of it to go round. Plus it appears to slow down transmission of the virus, and it can be stored at fridge temperature. And we have fucking loads of it on order. So this is very very good indeed.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The logical conclusion is that as the government has ordered only so many that they'll do mass vaccination using one shot

The 70% was after two full shots, I thought?

 

[wingy]

Take a look at the press release they put out and you’ll see the numbers are much better than that

Oxford University breakthrough on global COVID-19 vaccine | University of Oxford

Oxford announces interim trial data from its Phase III trials that show its candidate coronavirus vaccine is effective at preventing COVID-19 and offers a high level of protection.

www.ox.ac.uk

So in summary:

* If you take the vaccine in two full doses it’s 62% effective

* If you take the vaccine with one half dose followed by one full dose it’s 90% effective

So not only is the vaccine just as effective as the others, there’s also more of it to go round. Plus it appears to slow down transmission of the virus, and it can be stored at fridge temperature. And we have fucking loads of it on order. So this is very very good indeed.

Yeah slightly confusing as the 70 figure is derived from the data of both regimens.
Almost like the presentation is to depress the share price.

 

[wingy]

The 70% was after two full shots, I thought?

It was confusing as that's how it came across on BBC at one point .
70% via one shot .

Like I said earlier presentation a bit bizzarre, why even bring in the first figure it's misleading.
It's across Two dosages regardless of the quantity in the first one.

 

[SBT]

The 70% was after two full shots, I thought?

The 70% is what you get from combining the 62% group (two doses) with the 90% group (one and a half doses)

Yeah slightly confusing as the 70 figure is derived from the data of both regimens.
Almost like the presentation is to depress the share price.

The share price of Oxford University?

What it shows is that there’s no pressure to sugarcoat anything and they’re going to give us the data as it comes, good and bad. It’s a shame the public and the media isn’t better with numbers but we should be reassured by how this has been handled.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What it shows is that there’s no pressure to sugarcoat anything and they’re going to give us the data as it comes, good and bad.

Yeah, that's true enough. I do also like the fact it's set up to supply the world ahead of profit.

After all, if the vaccine wears off after a while, if we don't suppress it globally, we're back here again down the line...