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I think even under David Cameron we’d have seen this done better.
I can't think of one leader in my lifetime who would have done it worse. Only one that might come close would be Callaghan, and even then he had experience in running state apparatus, and there would have been actual organisation going on, and a plan.
 

RedSalmon

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I can't think of one leader in my lifetime who would have done it worse. Only one that might come close would be Callaghan, and even then he had experience in running state apparatus, and there would have been actual organisation going on, and a plan.

Was thinking a similar thing myself, and I cannot recall a Government in my living memory who could have consistantly messed things up the way this one has. It is one cluster fuck after another, and they seem to learn nothing form their mistakes.

Heard Adrian Chilles today describe Boris as the' boy who cried wolf 'in reverse, in as much as he always tells everyone things are better than they are because he only likes to give good news, but it has happened so often and been wrong that no one is believing him any more. Summed it up for me.
 

cowboy1850

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We've known for a long time that there was going to be another surge, people we asking for lock downs back in September.
It's just become constant mismanagement for the government who seem to faff around trying to mop up the expected wave of destruction rather than stay ahead and be proactive.
 

Grendel

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Easy answer was John Major

The problem with Mr Starmer is that we have to consider if his road to sensible middle ground politics is a genuine transformation to sensible politics or a cynical attempt at a power grab before the wolf is revealed

He was clearly an extreme hard line Trotskyite with some very strange views. Have these changed that much?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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The problem with Mr Starmer is that we have to consider if his road to sensible middle ground politics is a genuine transformation to sensible politics or a cynical attempt at a power grab before the wolf is revealed

He was clearly an extreme hard line Trotskyite with some very strange views. Have these changed that much?

If he's pissing me and Ian off that should be the green light for yourself I should think?
 

Grendel

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If he's pissing me and Ian off that should be the green light for yourself I should think?
People are very happy to look at some of Mr Johnson’s past remarks and associations - you cannot also at the same time ignore Mr Starmer and his interesting views in the past
 

Brylowes

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I can't think of one leader in my lifetime who would have done it worse. Only one that might come close would be Callaghan, and even then he had experience in running state apparatus, and there would have been actual organisation going on, and a plan.
Was thinking a similar thing myself, and I cannot recall a Government in my living memory who could have consistantly messed things up the way this one has. It is one cluster fuck after another, and they seem to learn nothing form their mistakes.

Heard Adrian Chilles today describe Boris as the' boy who cried wolf 'in reverse, in as much as he always tells everyone things are better than they are because he only likes to give good news, but it has happened so often and been wrong that no one is believing him any more. Summed it up for me.
Both Boris and Trump can be held up as a true representation of what can go wrong when a leader/government is elected on an almost entirely populist ticket.
In normal times they can bumble along telling people whatever it is they think they want to hear, they can disrespect the office they hold and in ‘Johnson’s case continually display a lack of mental strength’ safe in the knowledge that the MSM have their back.

When the ‘shit hits the fan’ they are left exposed, bereft of ideas and surrounded by sycophants with nothing of value to offer, their lack of understanding and confidence leads to a catalogue of knee jerk decisions, backdowns and U-turns.
They polarize opinions to such an extent that focus on the actual issues becomes blurred and inexplicably the less sense they make and the more harm they do ‘the more their support rallies behind them.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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The problem with Mr Starmer is that we have to consider if his road to sensible middle ground politics is a genuine transformation to sensible politics or a cynical attempt at a power grab before the wolf is revealed

He was clearly an extreme hard line Trotskyite with some very strange views. Have these changed that much?
Shit I’m agreeing with Grendel
 

David O'Day

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"The UK has registered 964 Covid-related deaths in the last 24 hours – another rise from yesterday.

New cases are also continuing to go up, with 55,892 people testing positive since yesterday."
 

Sky Blue Pete

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"The UK has registered 964 Covid-related deaths in the last 24 hours – another rise from yesterday.

New cases are also continuing to go up, with 55,892 people testing positive since yesterday."
How many of those infections go on to need hospital care and itu and die?

Is it like 3% need hospital 1.5% itu and about 0.8% die?

If so that’s 1650 hospital
825 itu
440 deaths

Need infections down don’t we?
 

chiefdave

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How many of those infections go on to need hospital care and itu and die?

Is it like 3% need hospital 1.5% itu and about 0.8% die?

If so that’s 1650 hospital
825 itu
440 deaths

Need infections down don’t we?
There seems to be less people moving onto ventilation which is obviously a good thing. Assume that is down to increased knowledge of how to treat covid.

At the first peak there was 21,683 in hospital and 3,301 on ventilators. We're currently at 23,813 in hospital but ventilator numbers are 1,847.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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There seems to be less people moving onto ventilation which is obviously a good thing. Assume that is down to increased knowledge of how to treat covid.

At the first peak there was 21,683 in hospital and 3,301 on ventilators. We're currently at 23,813 in hospital but ventilator numbers are 1,847.
On something like 600000 infected people so what’s that?

So that’s 4% hospitalised

0.3% itu

Deaths who knows but I thought it was at about 0.8%

Isn’t medicine amazing? The speed with which people have learned the best was to identify and then treat is just great.

So proud
 

chiefdave

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Isn’t medicine amazing? The speed with which people have learned the best was to identify and then treat is just great.
Hopefully with vaccines, even if it means the vulnerable getting an annual shot as they do with flu, and improved treatments we can get things back to normal and it really does become similar to getting the flu. If we get to that stage within 18 - 24 months of the Wuhan outbreak that is an incredible performance from the science community.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Hopefully with vaccines, even if it means the vulnerable getting an annual shot as they do with flu, and improved treatments we can get things back to normal and it really does become similar to getting the flu. If we get to that stage within 18 - 24 months of the Wuhan outbreak that is an incredible performance from the science community.
It really is
 

covmark

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Hopefully with vaccines, even if it means the vulnerable getting an annual shot as they do with flu, and improved treatments we can get things back to normal and it really does become similar to getting the flu. If we get to that stage within 18 - 24 months of the Wuhan outbreak that is an incredible performance from the science community.
Yeah, when you let that sink in, it would be an astonishing achievement

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ajsccfc

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I confess to knowing next to fuck all about the science but I read that some of the vaccines have been developed in a new way, that's got to bode well for medicine in general outside this too I'd have thought?
 

stupot07

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shmmeee

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The problem with Mr Starmer is that we have to consider if his road to sensible middle ground politics is a genuine transformation to sensible politics or a cynical attempt at a power grab before the wolf is revealed

He was clearly an extreme hard line Trotskyite with some very strange views. Have these changed that much?

Claire Fox was in the RCP. Michael Gove was a Labour Party member.
 

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