Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (12 Viewers)

[SBT]

This is exactly what I mean about people not being in the real world sometimes.

Yes, people are stood about chatting in supermarkets. People bump into people they know and won't have seen for ages so they stand around and have a chat. Add into that that a lot of the time it's old people who have no spacial awareness and the mask below their nose when trying to do their shopping as well.

Look at Coombe Abbey the other day (yes I know that's outdoors), they were so full they had to close the carparks it was that busy.

For 15 minutes? Without masks? In crowds so big they block the aisles? And the staff or other customers don’t say anything? Not sure if your experience is that typical, I’m out in the real world plenty and I’ve never seen that.

Not sure what you mean with Coombe Abbey. Spending the day wandering around outside would be fine so long as you kept your distance and wore a mask. Much safer than large numbers of people inside a poorly ventilated restaurant, church hall or gym.

 

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[Brylowes]

Can honestly say I’ve never seen what you’re describing in a supermarket. But it’s an airborne disease that spreads most easily in crowded areas, situations where people are talking to each other, and small/poorly ventilated enclosed spaces. It gets worse if people are doing the above for a long period of time, and better if people are wearing masks. So unless these supermarket people are literally standing and chatting in crowds without masks for 15 minutes at a time, then it’s nowhere near as bad as having your mate (or your mum, or whoever) come sit in your little living room all day and all night for a catch-up.

But supermarkets are thought to be the area with most transmission aren’t they ?
I run a pub and the amount of measures we had to put in place inc, setting up our own track & trace system alongside a bewilderingly detailed risk assessment just to be allowed to operate at a greatly diminished level was both unbelievable and soul destroying.
whenever I’ve been to a supermarket it’s just been a case of thousands of people in a ‘free for all’ the one way systems disappeared after a few weeks, no limit on the amount of people allowed in store at any one time.
No system in place for cleaning and sanitising trolleys, baskets and self service checkouts, little or no hand sanitising stations, people constantly picking things up for closer inspection and then putting back including fresh fruit and vegetables.
No limit on the number of people shopping together and not much notice taken of whether they wear a mask or not.
No area of retail and commerce will do as well financially out of Covid19 as the supermarkets and no area of retail and commerce have had to do less to combat the spread of Covid19 than supermarkets.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But supermarkets are thought to be the area with most transmission aren’t they ?
I run a pub and the amount of measures we had to put in place inc, setting up our own track & trace system alongside a bewilderingly detailed risk assessment just to be allowed to operate at a greatly diminished level was both unbelievable and soul destroying.
whenever I’ve been to a supermarket it’s just been a case of thousands of people in a ‘free for all’ the one way systems disappeared after a few weeks, no limit on the amount of people allowed in store at any one time.
No system in place for cleaning and sanitising trolleys, baskets and self service checkouts, little or no hand sanitising stations, people constantly picking things up for closer inspection and then putting back including fresh fruit and vegetables.
No limit on the number of people shopping together and not much notice taken of whether they wear a mask or not.
No area of retail and commerce will do as well financially out of Covid19 as the supermarkets and no area of retail and commerce have had to do less to combat the spread of Covid19 than supermarkets.

Not just thought to be, along with schools they are the main transmitters.

 

[Grendel]

For 15 minutes? Without masks? In crowds so big they block the aisles? And the staff or other customers don’t say anything? Not sure if your experience is that typical, I’m out in the real world plenty and I’ve never seen that.

Not sure what you mean with Coombe Abbey. Spending the day wandering around outside would be fine so long as you kept your distance and wore a mask. Much safer than large numbers of people inside a poorly ventilated restaurant, church hall or gym.

What’s the science on people touching produce. Someone the other day picked up 5 items on one shelf and put them back

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What’s the science on people touching produce. Someone the other day picked up 5 items on one shelf and put them back

As I posted elsewhere surfaces do not play much role in transmission.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

As I posted elsewhere surfaces do not play much role in transmission.

No it’s arseholes

I think that’s the spelling or it is aresoles?

 

[Astute]

My industry closes down and nobody is getting a vaccine for a start.

If my industry closes down nobody will be able to panic buy bog rolls

 

[Nick]

For 15 minutes? Without masks? In crowds so big they block the aisles? And the staff or other customers don’t say anything? Not sure if your experience is that typical, I’m out in the real world plenty and I’ve never seen that.

Not sure what you mean with Coombe Abbey. Spending the day wandering around outside would be fine so long as you kept your distance and wore a mask. Much safer than large numbers of people inside a poorly ventilated restaurant, church hall or gym.

Nip down to the Ricoh Tesco today and have a look, guaranteed theres people who havent seen each other who bump into each other have a chat and usually block the aisles.

Then there's people with masks below their noses or none at all (again usually but not always old people).

Funnily enough church hall gatherings are still allowed, Pete is getting annoyed at his mum because she wants to see her family and not be alone. You can still gather in a church hall for a "new parent" meeting with 15 people there and it's fine.

Again, you obviously haven't been in a lot of gyms. The day before we went to Tier 4 the one I was in was completely ventilated, the equipment spaced out and plenty of wipes, spray with everybody using them like it's second nature before and after they used a machine or weights.

 

[hill83]

If my industry closes down nobody will be able to panic buy bog rolls

Shit

 

[Sick Boy]

Just back from driving the GF to get her vaccine

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nip down to the Ricoh Tesco today and have a look, guaranteed theres people who havent seen each other who bump into each other have a chat and usually block the aisles.

Then there's people with masks below their noses or none at all (again usually but not always old people).

Funnily enough church hall gatherings are still allowed, Pete is getting annoyed at his mum because she wants to see her family and not be alone. You can still gather in a church hall for a "new parent" meeting with 15 people there and it's fine.

Again, you obviously haven't been in a lot of gyms. The day before we went to Tier 4 the one I was in was completely ventilated, the equipment spaced out and plenty of wipes, spray with everybody using them like it's second nature before and after they used a machine or weights.

Nah scared not annoyed for mum. Annoyed at my sister for being so careless with her life

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not really as most industries can’t close down

We've had plenty on here, however, who were working from home, and now aren't.

Not all industries can close down, but there's more that can be done, that isn't being done atm.

 

[Ian1779]

We've had plenty on here, however, who were working from home, and now aren't.

Not all industries can close down, but there's more that can be done, that isn't being done atm.

It feels a lot like it’s about equity, like some people are ‘required’ to be seen to be in work because some that are essential are in - so it’s perceived as fair. But if you make those that can stay and work at home - then there are less people in buildings, you can spread out and reduce the people that you can transmit to and from.

 

[SBT]

Nip down to the Ricoh Tesco today and have a look, guaranteed theres people who havent seen each other who bump into each other have a chat and usually block the aisles.

Then there's people with masks below their noses or none at all (again usually but not always old people).

So not for 15 minutes without masks then. Gotcha.

Funnily enough church hall gatherings are still allowed, Pete is getting annoyed at his mum because she wants to see her family and not be alone. You can still gather in a church hall for a "new parent" meeting with 15 people there and it's fine.

Obviously there’s a big risk involved with that kind of meeting and I wouldn’t sign up for it myself. But those are just the kinds of exceptions that come up when you’re (rightly or wrongly) trying to avoid a blanket lockdown. You can either accept that some people are getting an easier time of it, or complain endlessly that it’s not fair until everything is closed.

Again, you obviously haven't been in a lot of gyms. The day before we went to Tier 4 the one I was in was completely ventilated, the equipment spaced out and plenty of wipes, spray with everybody using them like it's second nature before and after they used a machine or weights.

The fact that your gym is focusing on cleaning surfaces shows precisely my point about people still not understanding how this is spread. Spraying and wiping surfaces is good general hygiene, but it won’t do much to stop coronavirus spreading. And going by my (admittedly limited!) knowledge of gyms, I’m not sure how “complete ventilation” is possible...unless it’s outside?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It feels a lot like it’s about equity, like some people are ‘required’ to be seen to be in work because some that are essential are in - so it’s perceived as fair. But if you make those that can stay and work at home - then there are less people in buildings, you can spread out and reduce the people that you can transmit to and from.

There was also the change of message over the summer, where Johnson encouraged people to work from the office if at all possible. The reality didn't last long, but it certainly changed mindset in some businesses, which hasn't reverted.

 

[shmmeee]

We've had plenty on here, however, who were working from home, and now aren't.

Not all industries can close down, but there's more that can be done, that isn't being done atm.

I can’t get over I’m being asked to go back in at the height of the pandemic. You’d never know we were essentially in lockdown right now. There’s been no attempt to enforce the rules at all. It’s pathetic and like everything this cowardly lazy government does it’s been eaten up by people who want to blame people buying food instead.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I can’t get over I’m being asked to go back in at the height of the pandemic. You’d never know we were essentially in lockdown right now. There’s been no attempt to enforce the rules at all. It’s pathetic and like everything this cowardly lazy government does it’s been eaten up by people who want to blame people buying food instead.

Beginning of this, Mrs Wisdom's employer was excellent - they did risk assessments and, as she's officially clinically vulnerable, they sent her home early, before government imposed a lockdown, in fact.

Since the summer change in message however, she's seen her person to person contact time *increase* to a greater level than it was pre-pandemic. As far as I can see that's doubly crazy - I can't see why she *needs* to be in just atm as it is (there are things they can justify but, to be perfectly honest, they can wait a month or four!), but to *increase* contact time seems the path to utter madness!

 

[Grendel]

There was also the change of message over the summer, where Johnson encouraged people to work from the office if at all possible. The reality didn't last long, but it certainly changed mindset in some businesses, which hasn't reverted.

It hardly made any impact in my experience. I suspect the only change really was in London and I suspect most people returning are doing so post the go back to work message

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It hardly made any impact in my experience.

Had a pretty big impact in mine.

 

[Grendel]

Had a pretty big impact in mine.

I hardly know anyone who was told to go back in the summer and I believe we have more at home still then pretty much all of Europe don’t we?

 

[shmmeee]

Had a pretty big impact in mine.

Same. And same for most people looking at the data.

 

[shmmeee]

I hardly know anyone who was told to go back in the summer and I believe we have more at home still then pretty much all of Europe don’t we?

What has that got to do with anything? Look outside more people are active than at the first lockdown which is what the conversation is about.

 

[Sick Boy]

I hardly know anyone who was told to go back in the summer and I believe we have more at home still then pretty much all of Europe don’t we?

At my workplace around 10% are in the office working, I think it's the same across most places, apart from factories and warehouses, of course.

 

[Grendel]

At my workplace around 10% are in the office working, I think it's the same across most places, apart from factories and warehouses, of course.

I was referring to this which suggests 75% in Italy were in work by august

UK office workers slower to return to their desk after Covid

Survey finds a third of Britain’s white-collar workers back compared with 83% in France

www.google.co.uk

 

[Sick Boy]

I was referring to this which suggests 75% in Italy were in work by august

UK office workers slower to return to their desk after Covid

Survey finds a third of Britain’s white-collar workers back compared with 83% in France

www.google.co.uk

Not sure how it's relevant to now as it's out of date?
The situation with the pandemic was much better here over the summer months, more so than the UK, which meant more people were in offices, but that changed again in October when the cases picked up again.

 

[Grendel]

Not sure how it's relevant to now as it's out of date?
The situation with the pandemic was much better here over the summer months, more so than the UK, which meant more people were in offices, but that changed again in October when the cases picked up again.

So were more people in offices in Italy in august?

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[Ian1779]

This is on top of the NEU advising it’s primary members to refuse to go to workplaces because of H&S.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Beginning of this, Mrs Wisdom's employer was excellent - they did risk assessments and, as she's officially clinically vulnerable, they sent her home early, before government imposed a lockdown, in fact.

Since the summer change in message however, she's seen her person to person contact time *increase* to a greater level than it was pre-pandemic. As far as I can see that's doubly crazy - I can't see why she *needs* to be in just atm as it is (there are things they can justify but, to be perfectly honest, they can wait a month or four!), but to *increase* contact time seems the path to utter madness!

I'm tired of being told 'thank you for putting on a normal education for our kids', there's zero normal about any of it.

 

[Skybluefaz]

This is on top of the NEU advising it’s primary members to refuse to go to workplaces because of H&S.

Yes, my wife seems to think that is the union the TA's are in at her school.

 

[Ian1779]

Yes, my wife seems to think that is the union the TA's are in at her school.

I don’t know the member breakdown for primaries, but in secondary they are the biggest union for members. I believe as well that Unite or GMB have joined the same message, which often is the Union for other school staff that aren’t teachers.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t know the member breakdown for primaries, but in secondary they are the biggest union for members. I believe as well that Unite or GMB have joined the same message, which often is the Union for other school staff that aren’t teachers.

NEU is mine and my missus is in fact a rep for them also. Not heard anything yet.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I'm tired of being told 'thank you for putting on a normal education for our kids', there's zero normal about any of it.

Can I have your advice? Thinking I should Un volunteer. Would much prefer schools to be closed for a couple of weeks

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Can I have your advice? Thinking I should Un volunteer. Would much prefer schools to be closed for a couple of weeks

Put it this way Pete every person who volunteers makes it more likely they will open up. No matter how many times my school says 'it's OK' I don't believe them.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Put it this way Pete every person who volunteers makes it more likely they will open up. No matter how many times my school says 'it's OK' I don't believe them.

Brighton, you around?

Want to put an idea past you.