Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (21 Viewers)

[Nick]

Not defending the govt but meeting outdoors briefly and staying overnight in the average house are two different things entirely. I suspect there is more than sufficient evidence of household mixing in households being a massive driver of transmission (as it is with cold and flu)

Tesco is indoors though?

I might be seeing things differently as I have to work throughout and that means sharing an office with others all day every day.

There's no point getting annoyed that a woman wants to stay with her daughter when you can walk in one stop or tesco and be coughed on or go to a meeting of 15 people for new parents.

Sometimes posts (not yours) on here don't match up with what's going on outside the front door.

My daughter will be going to school and I'll be going to work. If I don't go to work I don't get paid, it's really not as simple as everybody sitting in front of the TV all day until it blows over.

 

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[SBT]

The fact that people are still confused about the difference between meeting up inside someone’s house, and going to the supermarket shows how insanely bad the government’s messaging has been.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The fact that people are still confused about the difference between meeting up inside someone’s house, and going to the supermarket shows how insanely bad the government’s messaging has been.

It’s the problem when you have a libertarian in charge when an authoritarian is sorely needed

 

[chiefdave]

happy new year

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[Sky Blue Pete]

I’m just scared for her well-being

 

[Brylowes]

I’m just scared for her well-being

Of course you are mate but try not to worry about it to the point of paranoia, the simple fact is, if your Mother didn’t already have it and your Sister didn’t already have it they can’t possibly infect one another.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I’m just scared for her well-being

And quite right to be so - she's lucky to have somebody who is. How old is she, and how does she feel about it all?

 

[hill83]

Sometimes posts (not yours) on here don't match up with what's going on outside the front door.

My daughter will be going to school and I'll be going to work. If I don't go to work I don't get paid, it's really not as simple as everybody sitting in front of the TV all day until it blows over.

Rarely agree with you but I'm in exactly the same situation and agree this time. Although I can work from home and do for half of my shifts.
But that a whole other story and might be changing soon.

And while we are at it, I'm in work right now and will be popping over to Tesco for my lunch.
I'm currently living with my Uncle who has just turned 61. He works for Age UK and shops for vulnerable people so is in and out of Supermarkets all day everyday.

The first couple of months I was a scared wreck washing food deliveries when I was purely working from home, but life has to go on. Unless somebody wants to fire a few quid my way so I can sit in my pants at home all the time. I'm officially classed as a key worker so there's no furlough and I've worked the lot. And I'm not moaning, I want to work.

Add to that constant trips to the hospital with my dad. It's basically business as usual but I can't go for a pint or 10.

 

[Macca]

Rarely agree with you but I'm in exactly the same situation and agree this time. Although I can work from home and do for half of my shifts.
But that a whole other story and might be changing soon.

And while we are at it, I'm in work right now and will be popping over to Tesco for my lunch.
I'm currently living with my Uncle who has just turned 61. He works for Age UK and shops for vulnerable people so is in and out of Supermarkets all day everyday.

The first couple of months I was a scared wreck washing food deliveries when I was purely working from home, but life has to go on. Unless somebody wants to fire a few quid my way so I can sit in my pants at home all the time. I'm officially classed as a key worker so there's no furlough and I've worked the lot. And I'm not moaning, I want to work.

Add to that constant trips to the hospital with my dad. It's basically business as usual but I can't go for a pint or 10.

the inconsistencies are baffling and contradictory. Stay at home and do not make unnecessary journeys, unless you want to play golf. I’m no expert but I know that those 2 statements don’t add up. I feel for you in the position you are in and a slight embarrassment for the security I have during these difficult times. I just try and do my bit for neighbours who are nervous to be out and about.

 

[hill83]

Nothing to be embarrassed about.
I just think people are too nervous about it. Stay a decent distance away from people, get a proper mask and don't be a bellend just about covers it.

The day to day stuff I mean. Overall of course it's something to be worried about. And I am worried about my son going back into school with the new strain knocking about, but they have done a great job so far. I flatly refused to send him back in early on in this, but the ex was furloughed and wasn't the ex at the time so it was an easier decision to make. Now she's working full time again.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Of course you are mate but try not to worry about it to the point of paranoia, the simple fact is, if your Mother didn’t already have it and your Sister didn’t already have it they can’t possibly infect one another.

Unless her husband or two sons or their girlfriends or her work colleagues at the hospital. But yep. I’m not paranoid about it, I’m resigned to it

 

[hill83]

Unless her husband or two sons or their girlfriends or her work colleagues at the hospital. But yep. I’m not paranoid about it, I’m resigned to it

It does seem an unnecessary thing for your mother to be doing to be fair. My points weren't directed at you by the way.
Maybe persuade them to take the quick no symptoms test in town? There and back with a result in about an hour and a half easily.

 

[Nick]

The fact that people are still confused about the difference between meeting up inside someone’s house, and going to the supermarket shows how insanely bad the government’s messaging has been.

There is no confusion.

When you see people stood about chatting and blocking the aisles in the supermarket or the people (mainly old people) who don't have any idea about personal space its hard to see how that is less risky than using common sense in somebody else's house.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And quite right to be so - she's lucky to have somebody who is. How old is she, and how does she feel about it all?

79, has severe copd and is clinically extremely vulnerable. She is sick of it and has taken risks throughout encouraged by my 2 sisters mainly even though they both work at uhcw. She’s been very lucky. Will her luck hold out?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It does seem an unnecessary thing for your mother to be doing to be fair. My points weren't directed at you by the way.
Maybe persuade them to take the quick no symptoms test in town? There and back with a result in about an hour and a half easily.

We did and I was pleased they did and it’s ok I’ve been told how bad I am in how I’ve handled all this by part of my family

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There is no confusion.

When you see people stood about chatting and blocking the aisles in the supermarket or the people (mainly old people) who don't have any idea about personal space its hard to see how that is less risky than using common sense in somebody else's house.

Completely agree

 

[Skybluefaz]

All of this feels a bit like media censorship from the government. A bit like the time Boris took that journos phone out of his hand and hid it in his pocket but on a grand scale. Maybe if people fully understood what was going on they'd be more inclined to stay in line. You wouldn't be giving the covid deniers the ammunition of the hospitals being quiet either.

 

[hill83]

All of this feels a bit like media censorship from the government. A bit like the time Boris took that journos phone out of his hand and hid it in his pocket but on a grand scale. Maybe if people fully understood what was going on they'd be more inclined to stay in line. You wouldn't be giving the covid deniers the ammunition of the hospitals being quiet either.

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[Macca]

All of this feels a bit like media censorship from the government. A bit like the time Boris took that journos phone out of his hand and hid it in his pocket but on a grand scale. Maybe if people fully understood what was going on they'd be more inclined to stay in line. You wouldn't be giving the covid deniers the ammunition of the hospitals being quiet either.

the only trouble with these crackpots is that literally any evidence would be refuted. These are the fake news, flat earth, false flag nut jobs who don’t actually want to be proved wrong as it takes away their raison d’etre

 

[Macca]

Paid flat earth bill gates lizard actors m8

Haha spooky double response there

 

[Macca]

Nothing to be embarrassed about.
I just think people are too nervous about it. Stay a decent distance away from people, get a proper mask and don't be a bellend just about covers it.

The day to day stuff I mean. Overall of course it's something to be worried about. And I am worried about my son going back into school with the new strain knocking about, but they have done a great job so far. I flatly refused to send him back in early on in this, but the ex was furloughed and wasn't the ex at the time so it was an easier decision to make. Now she's working full time again.

I agree entirely but there is a large portion of society who lack that common sense

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We also haven't had the extreme lockdown of early on. We seem to be going for an economic death by a thousand cuts, and personally I'd have thought the economy would be more robust with a month of hardcore lockdown, get the vaccine supply sorted, and get us able to focus on that rather than triage at hospitals.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We also haven't had the extreme lockdown of early on. We seem to be going for an economic death by a thousand cuts, and personally I'd have thought the economy would be more robust with a month of hardcore lockdown, get the vaccine supply sorted, and get us able to focus on that rather than triage at hospitals.

That sounds the most sensible doesn’t it?

 

[clint van damme]

I agree entirely but there is a large portion of society who lack that common sense

Fucking hundreds of the conspiracy idiots protested outside a hospital in London the other night.
I'm all for the right to peaceful protest but there's a time and a place.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Haha spooky double response there

How funny, you two are definitely a conspiracy from the new world order or something

 

[Grendel]

That sounds the most sensible doesn’t it?

Not really as most industries can’t close down

 

[Brylowes]

Unless her husband or two sons or their girlfriends or her work colleagues at the hospital. But yep. I’m not paranoid about it, I’m resigned to it

From your initial post I was reading it as though it was just your mum and sister, obviously the more people involved greatly incteases the risk of transmission occurring.
I honestly wasn’t intending to come across as disrespectful in anyway, in fact I’m in exactly the same boat ‘my mum is a very sprightly 83 who loves getting out and about.
The day before NYE she rang asking if me my wife & daughter wanted to pop round for an hour, I explained why we couldn’t (the new variant is rife here atm ) I felt terrible and assured her we would ring on NYE.
Called her at 10pm NYE and she’s round my sisters with about 20 others, I’m absolutely fuming.

 

[SBT]

There is no confusion.

When you see people stood about chatting and blocking the aisles in the supermarket or the people (mainly old people) who don't have any idea about personal space its hard to see how that is less risky than using common sense in somebody else's house.

Can honestly say I’ve never seen what you’re describing in a supermarket. But it’s an airborne disease that spreads most easily in crowded areas, situations where people are talking to each other, and small/poorly ventilated enclosed spaces. It gets worse if people are doing the above for a long period of time, and better if people are wearing masks. So unless these supermarket people are literally standing and chatting in crowds without masks for 15 minutes at a time, then it’s nowhere near as bad as having your mate (or your mum, or whoever) come sit in your little living room all day and all night for a catch-up.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That sounds the most sensible doesn’t it?

It is indeed. This nonsense with schools is going to finish me off I reckon and speaking to my colleagues I’m not the only one. Halfway houses don’t work for anyone

 

[hill83]

Not really as most industries can’t close down

My industry closes down and nobody is getting a vaccine for a start.

 

[Nick]

Can honestly say I’ve never seen what you’re describing in a supermarket. But it’s an airborne disease that spreads most easily in crowded areas, situations where people are talking to each other, and small/poorly ventilated enclosed spaces. It gets worse if people are doing the above for a long period of time, and better if people are wearing masks. So unless these supermarket people are literally standing and chatting in crowds without masks for 15 minutes at a time, then it’s nowhere near as bad as having your mate (or your mum, or whoever) come sit in your little living room all day and all night for a catch-up.

This is exactly what I mean about people not being in the real world sometimes.

Yes, people are stood about chatting in supermarkets. People bump into people they know and won't have seen for ages so they stand around and have a chat. Add into that that a lot of the time it's old people who have no spacial awareness and the mask below their nose when trying to do their shopping as well. If I need to get anything I blast to get what I need then get out, you still see people dawdling, picking everything up and putting it back etc.

Look at Coombe Abbey the other day (yes I know that's outdoors), they were so full they had to close the carparks it was that busy.

 

[SBT]

This is exactly what I mean about people not being in the real world sometimes.

Yes, people are stood about chatting in supermarkets. People bump into people they know and won't have seen for ages so they stand around and have a chat. Add into that that a lot of the time it's old people who have no spacial awareness and the mask below their nose when trying to do their shopping as well.

Look at Coombe Abbey the other day (yes I know that's outdoors), they were so full they had to close the carparks it was that busy.

For 15 minutes? Without masks? In crowds so big they block the aisles? And the staff or other customers don’t say anything? Not sure if your experience is that typical, I’m out in the real world plenty and I’ve never seen that.

Not sure what you mean with Coombe Abbey. Spending the day wandering around outside would be fine so long as you kept your distance and wore a mask. Much safer than large numbers of people inside a poorly ventilated restaurant, church hall or gym.

 

[Brylowes]

Can honestly say I’ve never seen what you’re describing in a supermarket. But it’s an airborne disease that spreads most easily in crowded areas, situations where people are talking to each other, and small/poorly ventilated enclosed spaces. It gets worse if people are doing the above for a long period of time, and better if people are wearing masks. So unless these supermarket people are literally standing and chatting in crowds without masks for 15 minutes at a time, then it’s nowhere near as bad as having your mate (or your mum, or whoever) come sit in your little living room all day and all night for a catch-up.

But supermarkets are thought to be the area with most transmission aren’t they ?
I run a pub and the amount of measures we had to put in place inc, setting up our own track & trace system alongside a bewilderingly detailed risk assessment just to be allowed to operate at a greatly diminished level was both unbelievable and soul destroying.
whenever I’ve been to a supermarket it’s just been a case of thousands of people in a ‘free for all’ the one way systems disappeared after a few weeks, no limit on the amount of people allowed in store at any one time.
No system in place for cleaning and sanitising trolleys, baskets and self service checkouts, little or no hand sanitising stations, people constantly picking things up for closer inspection and then putting back including fresh fruit and vegetables.
No limit on the number of people shopping together and not much notice taken of whether they wear a mask or not.
No area of retail and commerce will do as well financially out of Covid19 as the supermarkets and no area of retail and commerce have had to do less to combat the spread of Covid19 than supermarkets.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But supermarkets are thought to be the area with most transmission aren’t they ?
I run a pub and the amount of measures we had to put in place inc, setting up our own track & trace system alongside a bewilderingly detailed risk assessment just to be allowed to operate at a greatly diminished level was both unbelievable and soul destroying.
whenever I’ve been to a supermarket it’s just been a case of thousands of people in a ‘free for all’ the one way systems disappeared after a few weeks, no limit on the amount of people allowed in store at any one time.
No system in place for cleaning and sanitising trolleys, baskets and self service checkouts, little or no hand sanitising stations, people constantly picking things up for closer inspection and then putting back including fresh fruit and vegetables.
No limit on the number of people shopping together and not much notice taken of whether they wear a mask or not.
No area of retail and commerce will do as well financially out of Covid19 as the supermarkets and no area of retail and commerce have had to do less to combat the spread of Covid19 than supermarkets.

Not just thought to be, along with schools they are the main transmitters.

 

[Grendel]

For 15 minutes? Without masks? In crowds so big they block the aisles? And the staff or other customers don’t say anything? Not sure if your experience is that typical, I’m out in the real world plenty and I’ve never seen that.

Not sure what you mean with Coombe Abbey. Spending the day wandering around outside would be fine so long as you kept your distance and wore a mask. Much safer than large numbers of people inside a poorly ventilated restaurant, church hall or gym.

What’s the science on people touching produce. Someone the other day picked up 5 items on one shelf and put them back