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[PVA]

A 1% payrise.

But at least we stood on our doorsteps and clapped them, what more do they want?

Covid-19: Nurses prepare for strikes over 1% NHS pay rise in England

A union calls the proposed increase in England "pitiful", but ministers say money is tight.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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[SG21]

Meanwhile, billions goes to friends of the tories. If only someone in the NHS had walked Boris' dog. That seems to be how you get money out of them.

If the clapping didn't work for tinkerbell, why did people think it would help the NHS?

 

[SBT]

Going back to why some inner city constituencies might not be taking up the vaccine as quick as others - a long (but great) article from the FT today which is well worth a read: Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Public Health England noted that the historical experiences of black and other minority groups might mean they are less likely to seek help when it is necessary, ultimately having an impact on longer-term health. A group of UK academics recently argued that access to medical care is also determined by a person’s ability to use services “with ease, and having confidence that you will be treated with respect”. This can be “hindered by language barriers, patients’ attitudes towards healthcare providers and the behaviour and attitudes of healthcare professionals towards minority patients”. The effects of racial discrimination in wider society also play a part in why some minority groups are hesitant to take up a Covid-19 vaccine.

 

[Nick]

A 1% payrise.

But at least we stood on our doorsteps and clapped them, what more do they want?

Covid-19: Nurses prepare for strikes over 1% NHS pay rise in England

A union calls the proposed increase in England "pitiful", but ministers say money is tight.

www.bbc.co.uk

1% is more than I will be getting.

 

[Nick]

Going back to why some inner city constituencies might not be taking up the vaccine as quick as others - a long (but great) article from the FT today which is well worth a read: Subscribe to read | Financial Times

"You need the vaccine else you don't leave your house"

People would soon figure it out.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

1% is more than I will be getting.

More than me too, but then I'm not tasked with saving peoples' lives (I hope!)

 

[PVA]

1% is more than I will be getting.

It's more than I'll be getting too, but that's not the point is it.

 

[Grendel]

More than me too, but then I'm not tasked with saving peoples' lives (I hope!)

Is that really relevant? So should surgeons get a vastly higher rise than nurses?

 

[SG21]

The NHS staff deserve far better then putting up with this crap. Sorry, but it really annoys me just how they're treated.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Is that really relevant? So should surgeons get a vastly higher rise than nurses?

It is relevant, when they're vastly underpaid for what they do and, at a time when surely we notice that even more than before, we seem to choose not to try and redress some of the unfairness.

 

[Grendel]

It is relevant, when they're vastly underpaid for what they do and, at a time when surely we notice that even more than before, we seem to choose not to try and redress some of the unfairness.

Funnily enough a nurse has just been on five live and says she doesn’t even want the 1% - says she has job security 40 days holiday a pension and is grateful - what would you say to her?

 

[Nick]

It is relevant, when they're vastly underpaid for what they do and, at a time when surely we notice that even more than before, we seem to choose not to try and redress some of the unfairness.

Average Nurse is about £30k plus isn't it?

 

[Grendel]

Average Nurse is about £30k plus isn't it?

I think this has taught everybody that a lot of hidden trades are needed more than before.

£34k

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Funnily enough a nurse has just been on five live and says she doesn’t even want the 1% - says she has job security 40 days holiday a pension and is grateful - what would you say to her?

I'd say that she's showing exactly why she's in that profession, because she's not self-centred, all about me-me-me, and that if only others were like that, she'd have more money instead of people being greedy and insular and ungrateful.

 

[Grendel]

I'd say that she's showing exactly why she's in that profession, because she's not self-centred, all about me-me-me, and that if only others were like that, she'd have more money instead of people being greedy and insular and ungrateful.

Nurses earn above the national average?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Nurses earn above the national average?

So what!

I don't begrudge them that, and more besides. Why anyone would is beyond me.

 

[Nick]

£34k

Not like they are struggling to work in ASDA throughout then.

God forbid they are one of the many thousands of small business owners that have completely lost any income they have.

 

[SG21]

Average Nurse is about £30k plus isn't it?

Think it's taught me which actual trades are important and which aren't. Sadly, the trades that are seem to be shafted by those in pointless jobs all the time - hence why no one wants them.

 

[PVA]

Fucking hell, this is just typical Tory shit from Grendel, what a disgusting point of view.

They earn above national wage so they don't deserve a raise?

 

[SG21]

The national wage is way below what's actually needed to live here too.

 

[Nick]

Fucking hell, this is just typical Tory shit from Grendel, what a disgusting point of view.

They earn above national wage so they don't deserve a raise?

I'd say there are plenty who deserve a raise who are much worse off than earning an average £34k a year.

It's not really disgusting is it? Plenty of people have lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts meanwhile 1% payrise and a secure job isn't enough.

 

[clint van damme]

Nurses earn above the national average?

So does Boris Johnson.
I wonder if a nurse did the nursing equivalent of missing 5 COBRA meetings at the start of a pandemic she'd keep her job?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

On the plus side, you get a minimum £5k pa to train as a nurse, so that helps towards the dream of the nursing land of milk and honey, where it's all happy happy joy, joy.

 

[PVA]

I'd say there are plenty who deserve a raise who are much worse off than earning an average £34k a year.

It's not really disgusting is it? Plenty of people have lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts meanwhile 1% payrise and a secure job isn't enough.

Yes, it is disgusting.

Just a horrible attitude, it's proper Race to the Bottom stuff.

'I don't have this so he shouldn't have it either.'

Perfectly sums up the attitude in this country and explains why it's such a shit hole these days.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I'd say there are plenty who deserve a raise who are much worse off than earning an average £34k a year.

It's not really disgusting is it? Plenty of people have lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts meanwhile 1% payrise and a secure job isn't enough.

There are plenty that don't earn that average wage. People getting paid properly means more money to spend in small businesses etc. Squeezing people is arguably going to make it tougher for business to recover.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Down with working class people getting a payrise. Up the donors.

 

[Nick]

Oh and for the record, MPs and "donors" should get absolutely fuck all. Give the pricks a pay cut and remove their expenses.

 

[wingy]

Guess they at least cover their exorbitant parking charges.

 

[Nick]

There are plenty that don't earn that average wage. People getting paid properly means more money to spend in small businesses etc. Squeezing people is arguably going to make it tougher for business to recover.

I agree.

There are plenty of people who have had to battle through, for example a carer on minimum wage who doesn't get paid for the time driving between calls.

 

[SBT]

I'd say there are plenty who deserve a raise who are much worse off than earning an average £34k a year.

It's not really disgusting is it? Plenty of people have lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts meanwhile 1% payrise and a secure job isn't enough.

Who else is more deserving of a raise this year than NHS staff? Someone mentioned carers, I'd put them on the list - anyone else? Do we have to wait until they all get a pay rise first before anyone else gets one?

And does this philosophy now apply to all public spending? No new help for existing homeowners until we've wiped out homelessness, presumably?

 

[David O'Day]

They've just announced more austerity, let's see what's happening next week. Labour are nowhere, completely wrong footed over the budget.

Bollocks as standard

 

[David O'Day]

Covid-19: Nurses prepare for strikes over 1% NHS pay rise in England

A union calls the proposed increase in England "pitiful", but ministers say money is tight.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[CCFCSteve]

Feels like the free schools meals situation all over again ie there is reasoning behind it (ie concern about available cash) but it’s not good optics and doesn’t sit well with a majority of the public.

They should’ve found a way to provide either a 2%+ payrise, or a one off ‘thank you‘ bonus if they were worried about longer term funding. The fact is any rise is taxed and then as it’s relatively small probably just gets put back into the economy anyway so net cost wouldn’t be too painful. Might cause problems with police, bin men and other front line public servants though ie everyone would push for a rise

same goes for shop workers and other (genuine) key workers that have had to continue to put themselves/their families at risk during the pandemic. All deserve recognition but many of probably won’t get looked after either

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Feels like the free schools meals situation all over again ie there is reasoning behind it (ie concern about available cash) but it’s not good optics and doesn’t sit well with a majority of the public.

They should’ve found a way to provide either a 2%+ payrise, or a one off ‘thank you‘ bonus if they were worried about longer term funding. The fact is any rise is taxed and then as it’s relatively small probably just gets put back into the economy anyway so net cost wouldn’t be too painful. Might cause problems with police, bin men and other front line public servants though ie everyone would push for a rise

same goes for shop workers and other (genuine) key workers that have had to continue to put themselves/their families at risk during the pandemic. All deserve recognition but many of probably won’t get looked after either

Yep and to come on live tv and say we’ve no money and others have lost their jobs is outrageous

 

[Nick]

Who else is more deserving of a raise this year than NHS staff? Someone mentioned carers, I'd put them on the list - anyone else? Do we have to wait until they all get a pay rise first before anyone else gets one?

And does this philosophy now apply to all public spending? No new help for existing homeowners until we've wiped out homelessness, presumably?

I mentioned carers, the ones who earn literally fuck all on minimum wage.
What about people who have kept small shops running in communities and also people in supermarkets getting shit all day from trampy pricks.
What about people who have completely lost their jobs?
What about people who's businesses have been fucked over entirely?