Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (20 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Covid-19: Nurses prepare for strikes over 1% NHS pay rise in England

A union calls the proposed increase in England "pitiful", but ministers say money is tight.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

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[CCFCSteve]

Feels like the free schools meals situation all over again ie there is reasoning behind it (ie concern about available cash) but it’s not good optics and doesn’t sit well with a majority of the public.

They should’ve found a way to provide either a 2%+ payrise, or a one off ‘thank you‘ bonus if they were worried about longer term funding. The fact is any rise is taxed and then as it’s relatively small probably just gets put back into the economy anyway so net cost wouldn’t be too painful. Might cause problems with police, bin men and other front line public servants though ie everyone would push for a rise

same goes for shop workers and other (genuine) key workers that have had to continue to put themselves/their families at risk during the pandemic. All deserve recognition but many of probably won’t get looked after either

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Feels like the free schools meals situation all over again ie there is reasoning behind it (ie concern about available cash) but it’s not good optics and doesn’t sit well with a majority of the public.

They should’ve found a way to provide either a 2%+ payrise, or a one off ‘thank you‘ bonus if they were worried about longer term funding. The fact is any rise is taxed and then as it’s relatively small probably just gets put back into the economy anyway so net cost wouldn’t be too painful. Might cause problems with police, bin men and other front line public servants though ie everyone would push for a rise

same goes for shop workers and other (genuine) key workers that have had to continue to put themselves/their families at risk during the pandemic. All deserve recognition but many of probably won’t get looked after either

Yep and to come on live tv and say we’ve no money and others have lost their jobs is outrageous

 

[Nick]

Who else is more deserving of a raise this year than NHS staff? Someone mentioned carers, I'd put them on the list - anyone else? Do we have to wait until they all get a pay rise first before anyone else gets one?

And does this philosophy now apply to all public spending? No new help for existing homeowners until we've wiped out homelessness, presumably?

I mentioned carers, the ones who earn literally fuck all on minimum wage.
What about people who have kept small shops running in communities and also people in supermarkets getting shit all day from trampy pricks.
What about people who have completely lost their jobs?
What about people who's businesses have been fucked over entirely?

 

[jordan210]

Down with working class people getting a payrise. Up the donors.

I have a few K saved. Tempted to donate it and turn it in to millions at this rate

 

[Ian1779]

Bollocks as standard

Not really though is it? A bit pointless making noise about paltry nurses pay increase when you’ve basically waved through a pay freeze for millions and openly opposed Corporation Tax increases immediately.

 

[SBT]

I mentioned carers, the ones who earn literally fuck all on minimum wage.
What about people who have kept small shops running in communities and also people in supermarkets getting shit all day from trampy pricks.
What about people who have completely lost their jobs?
What about people who's businesses have been fucked over entirely?

Those people all deserve support, too. Is there supposed to be something controversial about other, clearly deserving people getting it as well? Or asking for more if they feel they deserve it? Or should it be 'all or nothing'?

Nice to see the return of the supermarket moan btw

 

[Skybluefaz]

I mentioned carers, the ones who earn literally fuck all on minimum wage.
What about people who have kept small shops running in communities and also people in supermarkets getting shit all day from trampy pricks.
What about people who have completely lost their jobs?
What about people who's businesses have been fucked over entirely?

I'd happily see any public facing worker get some kind of tax break for the next year or two, bus driver, shop keeper, supermarket worker, NHS staff, carer, teacher, police etc. Need some stimulus for business and those who have lost their jobs need adequate support. I didn't see a lot of that in the budget though.

 

[Nick]

Those people all deserve support, too. Is there supposed to be something controversial about other, clearly deserving people getting it as well? Or asking for more if they feel they deserve it? Or should it be 'all or nothing'?

Nice to see the return of the supermarket moan btw

I'm sure Supermarket Workers and Carers on 0 hour contracts would kill for a 1% pay rise, pension and job security.

 

[SBT]

I'm sure Supermarket Workers and Carers on 0 hour contracts would kill for a 1% pay rise, pension and job security.

We all agree with you! What's your point?

 

[PVA]

We all agree with you! What's your point?

Exactly! Such a strange argument.

"Bus drivers aren't getting a payrise so nurses don't deserve one". What?!

 

[Nick]

Exactly! Such a strange argument.

"Bus drivers aren't getting a payrise so nurses don't deserve one". What?!

Are bus drivers all over the news turning their nose up at 1%?

 

[fernandopartridge]

I mentioned carers, the ones who earn literally fuck all on minimum wage.
What about people who have kept small shops running in communities and also people in supermarkets getting shit all day from trampy pricks.
What about people who have completely lost their jobs?
What about people who's businesses have been fucked over entirely?

So what? It isn't an either or situation. What is the benefit in suppressing demand through everybody being worse off? It'll do nobody any favours as the last 13 years post the financial crash show. You're aiming your vitriol in the wrong direction.

 

[Nick]

So what? It isn't an either or situation. What is the benefit in suppressing demand through everybody being worse off? It'll do nobody any favours as the last 13 years post the financial crash show. You're aiming your vitriol in the wrong direction.

I'm not saying nobody should have a payrise. I am saying some professions should count themselves lucky before whinging about "just" a 1% payrise.

As I've said, there are plenty of professions who should be having cuts first.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Are bus drivers all over the news turning their nose up at 1%?

No because it looks like they have a deal, TFL drivers anyway where wages rise with inflation. So they won't be getting an effective paycut like the Nurses are.

Sadiq Khan announces new London bus drivers pay deal

London mayor Sadiq Khan has announced the capital's 25,000 bus drivers will receive a starting salary of £23,000 a year.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm not saying nobody should have a payrise. I am saying some professions should count themselves lucky before whinging about "just" a 1% payrise.

As I've said, there are plenty of professions who should be having cuts first.

It is not lucky. What's lucky about it? It is below inflation and a pay cut.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Bollocks as standard

Can you show me the Anneliese Dodds quote in the correct context please?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Some good news

 

[PVA]

I'm not saying nobody should have a payrise. I am saying some professions should count themselves lucky before whinging about "just" a 1% payrise.

As I've said, there are plenty of professions who should be having cuts first.

Yeah, they really should count themselves lucky, those bastards don't know how good they've got it

 

[Nick]

It is not lucky. What's lucky about it? It is below inflation and a pay cut.

They have a full time job with a "comfortable" wage, pension and sickpay which is luckier than a lot of people after this.

 

[fernandopartridge]

They have a full time job with a "comfortable" wage, pension and sickpay which is luckier than a lot of people after this.

That is not lucky, the reality is that a lot of people have poor terms and conditions. It doesn't make people who have lucky. A Band 5 nurse gets a starting salary of 24907 for shift work, it's hardly brilliant given that you must attend university to qualify.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It is not lucky. What's lucky about it? It is below inflation and a pay cut.

If it was such a fabulous career doling out cash with largesse to all and sundry, we wouldn't have to import nurses from elsewhere to fill the gaps, either...

 

[hill83]

My take on this is it's been an massively fucking unprecedented year so ease off the strike threats and come back next year. It's been a shithouse for everyone.

 

[hill83]

Then do it properly next year. (sure that won't happen though)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Then do it properly next year. (sure that won't happen though)

That's kind of my problem really. If they'd deferred an increase, but promised it next year then maybe that could work, if imperfectly. As it stands, if ever we surely appreciate the job people do, now's the time!

 

[SBT]

I'm not saying nobody should have a payrise. I am saying some professions should count themselves lucky before whinging about "just" a 1% payrise.

As I've said, there are plenty of professions who should be having cuts first.

If someone who doesn't deserve it complains about not getting a big enough pay rise, then they can get fucked imo. I didn't realise some people would take that to mean "The NHS can get fucked" though.

 

[Liquid Gold]

County is fucked. Victorian workhouse culture now. Open the paupers gaols.

 

[chiefdave]

Given there's a huge shortage of staff and a massive recruitment problem surely wages should be increasing at well above inflation?

 

[ovduk78]

Given there's a huge shortage of staff and a massive recruitment problem surely wages should be increasing at well above inflation?

It will be for the chief executives!!

 

[Nick]

It will be for the chief executives!!

They are the cunts who should be getting the cuts and piping the fuck down.

 

[ovduk78]

My mate does deliveries for the NHS and some of the money wastage he's told me beggar belief. He has delivered multiple cages with just 1 item in it to the same hospital and another delivery had to be done as he couldn't condense the cages and get the rest of the cages on his HGV. He also delivered a big tin of coffee and a box of pens to a doctor in Oxford, obviously they were too busy to go to the supermarket for them!!

 

[Nick]

My mate does deliveries for the NHS and some of the money wastage he's told me beggar belief. He has delivered multiple cages with just 1 item in it to the same hospital and another delivery had to be done as he couldn't condense the cages and get the rest of the cages on his HGV. He also delivered a big tin of coffee and a box of pens to a doctor in Oxford, obviously they were too busy to go to the supermarket for them!!

Same with local councils to be fair. No common sense.

 

[Nick]

Looks like they have found the brazilian knob head.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Same with local councils to be fair. No common sense.

Same with most big institutions, public or private.

 

[fernandopartridge]

My mate does deliveries for the NHS and some of the money wastage he's told me beggar belief. He has delivered multiple cages with just 1 item in it to the same hospital and another delivery had to be done as he couldn't condense the cages and get the rest of the cages on his HGV. He also delivered a big tin of coffee and a box of pens to a doctor in Oxford, obviously they were too busy to go to the supermarket for them!!

The waste is on the part of the logistics firm