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Ian1779
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Not really though is it? A bit pointless making noise about paltry nurses pay increase when you’ve basically waved through a pay freeze for millions and openly opposed Corporation Tax increases immediately.
Those people all deserve support, too. Is there supposed to be something controversial about other, clearly deserving people getting it as well? Or asking for more if they feel they deserve it? Or should it be 'all or nothing'?
Nice to see the return of the supermarket moan btw
Skybluefaz
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I'd happily see any public facing worker get some kind of tax break for the next year or two, bus driver, shop keeper, supermarket worker, NHS staff, carer, teacher, police etc. Need some stimulus for business and those who have lost their jobs need adequate support. I didn't see a lot of that in the budget though.
We all agree with you! What's your point?
fernandopartridge
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So what? It isn't an either or situation. What is the benefit in suppressing demand through everybody being worse off? It'll do nobody any favours as the last 13 years post the financial crash show. You're aiming your vitriol in the wrong direction.
Nick
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I'm not saying nobody should have a payrise. I am saying some professions should count themselves lucky before whinging about "just" a 1% payrise.
As I've said, there are plenty of professions who should be having cuts first.
Skybluefaz
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No because it looks like they have a deal, TFL drivers anyway where wages rise with inflation. So they won't be getting an effective paycut like the Nurses are.
Sadiq Khan announces new London bus drivers pay deal
London mayor Sadiq Khan has announced the capital's 25,000 bus drivers will receive a starting salary of £23,000 a year.
www.bbc.co.uk
fernandopartridge
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It is not lucky. What's lucky about it? It is below inflation and a pay cut.
fernandopartridge
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Can you show me the Anneliese Dodds quote in the correct context please?
Skybluefaz
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Some good news
Yeah, they really should count themselves lucky, those bastards don't know how good they've got it
Nick
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They have a full time job with a "comfortable" wage, pension and sickpay which is luckier than a lot of people after this.
fernandopartridge
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That is not lucky, the reality is that a lot of people have poor terms and conditions. It doesn't make people who have lucky. A Band 5 nurse gets a starting salary of 24907 for shift work, it's hardly brilliant given that you must attend university to qualify.
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If it was such a fabulous career doling out cash with largesse to all and sundry, we wouldn't have to import nurses from elsewhere to fill the gaps, either...
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That's kind of my problem really. If they'd deferred an increase, but promised it next year then maybe that could work, if imperfectly. As it stands, if ever we surely appreciate the job people do, now's the time!
If someone who doesn't deserve it complains about not getting a big enough pay rise, then they can get fucked imo. I didn't realise some people would take that to mean "The NHS can get fucked" though.
Liquid Gold
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County is fucked. Victorian workhouse culture now. Open the paupers gaols.
ovduk78
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It will be for the chief executives!!
Nick
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They are the cunts who should be getting the cuts and piping the fuck down.
ovduk78
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My mate does deliveries for the NHS and some of the money wastage he's told me beggar belief. He has delivered multiple cages with just 1 item in it to the same hospital and another delivery had to be done as he couldn't condense the cages and get the rest of the cages on his HGV. He also delivered a big tin of coffee and a box of pens to a doctor in Oxford, obviously they were too busy to go to the supermarket for them!!
Nick
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Same with local councils to be fair. No common sense.
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Same with most big institutions, public or private.
fernandopartridge
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The waste is on the part of the logistics firm
ovduk78
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Some of it is, he was going to condense all the cages into 1 and load the remaining cages and was told not to as it's not his job. The NHS are encouraged to use the system to order whatever they need, including coffee & pens and normally that's probably not an issue when it's on a bigger order but to just order those 2 things and for him to deliver then in a 7.5 tonne lorry is ridiculous.
The money waste is the same in any field with huge amounts of money though. People forget that.
Accountants, admin, Consultancy, lawyers etc, all want a huge chunk of change in any field with money for doing very little. Most of them, have "friends" in politics too.
Reminds me of an old joke:
An MP wants his local park fence painted and asks his assistant for quotes.
The assistant manages to get three different painters to quote him. The first painter says he'll do it for £250, the second painter says £500, but the third painter says £2000.
Shocked, the assistant asks "how can you justify this? The first guy quoted me just £250? "
The third painter replies, "yes, but, give me £2000 and I'll pay the first painter £250, and we'll split the rest between us"
Accountants, admin, Consultancy, lawyers etc, all want a huge chunk of change in any field with money for doing very little. Most of them, have "friends" in politics too.
Reminds me of an old joke:
An MP wants his local park fence painted and asks his assistant for quotes.
The assistant manages to get three different painters to quote him. The first painter says he'll do it for £250, the second painter says £500, but the third painter says £2000.
Shocked, the assistant asks "how can you justify this? The first guy quoted me just £250? "
The third painter replies, "yes, but, give me £2000 and I'll pay the first painter £250, and we'll split the rest between us"
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shmmeee
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Grow a fucking pair. Also you don’t speak for everyone. Just because you’re happy with a pay cut doesn’t mean everyone is.
shmmeee
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Will always say this:
As someone who has worked both public and private sector, private sector waste is a million times worse. And don’t get me started on the cronyism.
Most public sector “waste” tends to be back covering against law suits and the like and actually complying with laws most private sector places ignore.
The answer is surely to hold public sector to the same low standards we do private.
As someone who has worked both public and private sector, private sector waste is a million times worse. And don’t get me started on the cronyism.
Most public sector “waste” tends to be back covering against law suits and the like and actually complying with laws most private sector places ignore.
The answer is surely to hold public sector to the same low standards we do private.