School Protests (3 Viewers)

[Nick]

By displaying intolerance to Islam
noun

1. 1.
   unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own.

Ironic really.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

You really are missing the point there. Can you teach RE without showing a cartoon that Muslim will find deeply offensive? Yes so why do you need to do it?

Then said Muslims could withdraw their children from the relevant lessons as is already done with Christian parents and sex education.

 

[David O'Day]

No, you’re missing the point. A lesson is better when students experience things closer to real life.

Does a science teacher *need* to do live experiments with an element of risk? Why not just read about them in a book? Do teachers need to take kids on school trips? Why not just take them on Google Maps where it’s safe?

Hardly the same thing as actively offending people is it.

Have a word with yourself if you are comparing going on a school trip to actively offending someones religion.

 

[David O'Day]

To muslims who follow Islam - yes we know and whilst we wouldn’t wish to offend our brothers and sisters of the Islamic faith I don’t think they should dictate to non- Muslims how they should and shouldn’t act

Surely it's just common decency not to actively try to offend someone else's religion?

Surely Muslim parents should have the right to send their kids to school and expect the school to be attentive to their beliefs?

 

[skybluetony176]

How is it intolerance to Islam? Disagreement isn’t bigotry FFS

Because if he accepted the views of Islam he wouldn’t have got the picture out in the first place.

 

[shmmeee]

Hardly the same thing as actively offending people is it.

Have a word with yourself if you are comparing going on a school trip to actively offending someones religion.

Teaching about homosexuality and women’s rights offends some religions. Teaching evolution offends some religions. Mixing boys and girls offends some religions. Why is this one the one we should listen to?

I’m offended by what’s taught in Business and Economics, I disagree with a lot of what’s taught in PSE, I know lots of activists who disagree with what’s taught in history and lots of English teachers who disagree with what’s taught in English lessons.

Funnily enough, they suck it up or campaign for change to the government. None of them send death threats or shut down schools.

You don’t have a right not to take offence. That’s not a thing and it wouldn’t be practical even if it was. The teacher warned students ahead of time (a practice the science on is considerably iffy but is the current accepted way of teaching potentially triggering content), his job was done.

Fucks sake, you’re acting like a religious person being offended is something anyone should give two shits about. It’s not 1982.

 

[shmmeee]

Because if he accepted the views of Islam he wouldn’t have got the picture out in the first place.

He’s also have been homophobic, anti every other religion, and misogynistic.

But he doesn’t accept the views of Islam, and neither do I, or the vast majority of people Muslim or not, for that matter. And he doesn’t have to.

I bought a bacon sarnie into a morning lesson once, we had a Muslim student in the class. Guess it’s a good job you weren’t around to organise my getting run out of town.

 

[skybluetony176]

It is rational as the protesters seem to have a massive problem with one of this country’s basic freedoms being exercised. I don’t want them gone but if they hate it so much they’d maybe be happier elsewhere.

Would you have told the suffragettes to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
Would you have told the Poll Tax protesters to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
No, of course you wouldn’t. All those people would have been “happier” elsewhere at that moment in time. Why should it be different this time.
I don’t think you’re the Tommy Robinson type for one moment but I’ll tell you what. All the Tommy Robinson types will be cheering your view on that and as a rule of thumb if Tommy Robinson types are saying it’s right chances are it’s wrong.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ironic really.

How so?

 

[clint van damme]

Would you have told the suffragettes to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
Would you have told the Poll Tax protesters to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
No, of course you wouldn’t. All those people would have been “happier” elsewhere at that moment in time. Why should it be different this time.
I don’t think you’re the Tommy Robinson type for one moment but I’ll tell you what. All the Tommy Robinson types will be cheering your view on that and as a rule of thumb if Tommy Robinson types are saying it’s right chances are it’s wrong.

And Islamic extremists will be siding with the parents.
That doesn't mean any of them subscribe to extremist beliefs.
Unfortunately wankers can always sniff out a band wagon and an opportunity to shit stir.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Surely it's just common decency not to actively try to offend someone else's religion?

Surely Muslim parents should have the right to send their kids to school and expect the school to be attentive to their beliefs?

What if those expectations interfere with another groups expectations?
And the answer of course is yes they should be attentive to those beliefs.
I’ll add a but although I don’t know the answer the but is which expectations trumps the other? We live in a secular society with laws that cover areas of discrimination. And rules that govern what can be taught in public education. That is a teaching issue for me and not a faith one. So I think and as I say I don’t know about this, I think societies expectation that the teaching profession teach trumps the parents expectation that their faith should be respected. If you pushed me.
As I say I wouldn’t deliberately offend a fellow human being but if I saw someone being murdered for sharing a picture I’d politely point out that surely murder is more offensive than showing the picture

 

[Nick]

Because if he accepted the views of Islam he wouldn’t have got the picture out in the first place.

If Muslims accepted the views of non Muslims then they wouldn't kick off when non Muslims don't abide by their rules.

 

[skybluetony176]

He’s also have been homophobic, anti every other religion, and misogynistic.

But he doesn’t accept the views of Islam, and neither do I, or the vast majority of people Muslim or not, for that matter. And he doesn’t have to.

I bought a bacon sarnie into a morning lesson once, we had a Muslim student in the class. Guess it’s a good job you weren’t around to organise my getting run out of town.

I think you’re confusing acceptance with practicing.
I assume you didn’t make the Muslim students take a bite of the bacon sandwich? Of course you didn’t. Same thing, look at the cartoon all you like, eat a bacon sandwich all you like. But don’t share that image with Muslim students the same as you wouldn’t share a bacon sandwich with Muslim students.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think you’re confusing acceptance with practicing.
I assume you didn’t make the Muslim students take a bite of the bacon sandwich? Of course you didn’t. Same thing, look at the cartoon all you like, eat a bacon sandwich all you like. But don’t share that image with Muslim students the same as you wouldn’t share a bacon sandwich with Muslim students.

That’s exactly the point. So it’s fine for non Muslims to see the cartoon and for Muslims to choose not too and then to have a discussion. I think that’s ok isn’t it?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If Muslims accepted the views of non Muslims then they wouldn't kick off when non Muslims don't abide by their rules.

Vast majority do Nick

 

[Deleted member 4439]

I see we're back on the subject of bacon sarnies again. Probably a more useful thing to teach in school i.e. things about reality rather than imaginary friends.

 

[skybluetony176]

If Muslims accepted the views of non Muslims then they wouldn't kick off when non Muslims don't abide by their rules.

We don’t abide by “their” rules on a daily basis so that’s bollocks. I’ve never stepped foot in a mosque, that’s “their” rules. I don’t attend church, presumably “our” rules. Etc etc. I don’t burn crosses, “our” rules. I don’t flash around images of “Allah”, “their” rules.
I just try to respect other people’s beliefs systems. It doesn’t inconvenience me to not show cartoons of Allah, I can discuss it and make a point without having to go to the effort of showing a cartoon of Allah regardless of opinion on whether I believe it’s okay or not. The only reason to show a cartoon of Allah is to get a reaction. Either the teacher is a complete moron or he was looking for a reaction.

 

[TomRad85]

We don’t abide by “their” rules on a daily basis so that’s bollocks. I’ve never stepped foot in a mosque, that’s “their” rules. I don’t attend church, presumably “our” rules. Etc etc. I don’t burn crosses, “our” rules. I don’t flash around images of “Allah”, “their” rules.
I just try to respect other people’s beliefs systems. It doesn’t inconvenience me to not show cartoons of Allah, I can discuss it and make a point without having to go to the effort of showing a cartoon of Allah regardless of opinion on whether I believe it’s okay or not. The only reason to show a cartoon of Allah is to get a reaction. Either the teacher is a complete moron or he was looking for a reaction.

I've probably been in 3 mosques, pretty sure that's not a rule. Also no rule forcing anyone to go to church. As for cross burnings, I think there's very different reasons people wouldn't want to be doing that.

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[skybluetony176]

And Islamic extremists will be siding with the parents.
That doesn't mean any of them subscribe to extremist beliefs.
Unfortunately wankers can always sniff out a band wagon and an opportunity to shit stir.

I take your point. I would just make one point though. Protesting is a right in this country, kicking people out of the country for a difference of opinion isn’t.

 

[TomRad85]

I take your point. I would just make one point though. Protesting is a right in this country, kicking people out of the country for a difference of opinion isn’t.

BSB didn't say kick them out, he said they are welcome to leave.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Would you have told the suffragettes to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
Would you have told the Poll Tax protesters to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
No, of course you wouldn’t. All those people would have been “happier” elsewhere at that moment in time. Why should it be different this time.
I don’t think you’re the Tommy Robinson type for one moment but I’ll tell you what. All the Tommy Robinson types will be cheering your view on that and as a rule of thumb if Tommy Robinson types are saying it’s right chances are it’s wrong.

Neither of those groups were trying to suppress the freedom of speech and expression for religious reasons. We live in a secular state, not a theocracy and if it matters that much to them yes they are free to go anywhere they like. Where you got ‘he wants to turf them out’ from I’m less sure.

 

[mrtrench]

And Islamic extremists will be siding with the parents.
That doesn't mean any of them subscribe to extremist beliefs.
Unfortunately wankers can always sniff out a band wagon and an opportunity to shit stir.

As I understand it, many of them are not even parents, they are followers of the doxer charity guy.

The kids and parents started a petition in support of the teacher. It now has over 50k signatories (obviously not all are pupils).

 

[mrtrench]

Would you have told the suffragettes to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
Would you have told the Poll Tax protesters to leave the country if they don’t like the rules?
No, of course you wouldn’t. All those people would have been “happier” elsewhere at that moment in time. Why should it be different this time.
I don’t think you’re the Tommy Robinson type for one moment but I’ll tell you what. All the Tommy Robinson types will be cheering your view on that and as a rule of thumb if Tommy Robinson types are saying it’s right chances are it’s wrong.

Would you have told the suffragettes to leave the country if they don’t like the rules? YES, they had flags.

Would you have told the Poll Tax protesters to leave the country if they don’t like the rules? YEP, cannot get past their flags.

I don’t think you’re the Tommy Robinson type for one moment but I’ll tell you what. All the Tommy Robinson types will be cheering your view on that and as a rule of thumb if Tommy Robinson types are saying it’s right chances are it’s wrong. I don't think we should talk about Tommy Robinson types in case it offends them.

 

[David O'Day]

Teaching about homosexuality and women’s rights offends some religions. Teaching evolution offends some religions. Mixing boys and girls offends some religions. Why is this one the one we should listen to?

I’m offended by what’s taught in Business and Economics, I disagree with a lot of what’s taught in PSE, I know lots of activists who disagree with what’s taught in history and lots of English teachers who disagree with what’s taught in English lessons.

Funnily enough, they suck it up or campaign for change to the government. None of them send death threats or shut down schools.

You don’t have a right not to take offence. That’s not a thing and it wouldn’t be practical even if it was. The teacher warned students ahead of time (a practice the science on is considerably iffy but is the current accepted way of teaching potentially triggering content), his job was done.

Fucks sake, you’re acting like a religious person being offended is something anyone should give two shits about. It’s not 1982.

wow you are seriously equating differing economic theory to this?

Weird

 

[TomRad85]

wow you are seriously equating differing economic theory to this?

Weird

He gave other examples too. You chose to ignore them.

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[mrtrench]

Hey Tone, PVA

In 2019 Christians protested outside a school because they were covering homosexuality in lessons. No flags were involved but unfortunately no teachers were sacked; whipped etc. and the school just carried on.

What a bigoted school! They should have immediately withdrawn this from the curriculum and issued a groveling apology letter - yes? It would have been enough to say that sexual deviants exist - that's sex education. I question their ability to teach.

Christian group protests against mandatory LGBT-inclusive curriculum - Premier Christian News | Headlines, Breaking News, Comment & Analysis

 

[mrtrench]

Vast majority do Nick

Absolutely correct. I've worked with hundreds of Muslims and I've never met one religious bigot. It's telling, given how much publicity there is, that there are still only 20 or so in their rent-a-mob outside the school.

 

[skybluetony176]

BSB didn't say kick them out, he said they are welcome to leave.

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He still wouldn’t have said that to the suffragettes or the poll tax protesters though would he?

 

[TomRad85]

Hey Tone, PVA

In 2019 Christians protested outside a school because they were covering homosexuality in lessons. No flags were involved but unfortunately no teachers were sacked; whipped etc. and the school just carried on.

What a bigoted school! They should have immediately withdrawn this from the curriculum and issued a groveling apology letter - yes? It would have been enough to say that sexual deviants exist - that's sex education. I question their ability to teach.

Christian group protests against mandatory LGBT-inclusive curriculum - Premier Christian News | Headlines, Breaking News, Comment & Analysis

Literally no one, in this country at least, takes Christians moaning about shit seriously, we just laugh at them. Yet when it comes to Islam people start pissing their knickers. It's very very strange.

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[TomRad85]

He still wouldn’t have said that to the suffragettes or the poll tax protesters though would he?

I can't read his mind but I believe he answered that above.

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[skybluetony176]

Would you have told the suffragettes to leave the country if they don’t like the rules? YES, they had flags.

Would you have told the Poll Tax protesters to leave the country if they don’t like the rules? YEP, cannot get past their flags.

I don’t think you’re the Tommy Robinson type for one moment but I’ll tell you what. All the Tommy Robinson types will be cheering your view on that and as a rule of thumb if Tommy Robinson types are saying it’s right chances are it’s wrong. I don't think we should talk about Tommy Robinson types in case it offends them.

Mmmm

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Mmmm

I do absolutely take your point about there being questionable reasons for sharing the cartoon but I remember often in discussions taking an alternative point to engage others in exploring their opinions. Or being a devils advocate, you know it’s a legitimate teaching tool in experiential subjects surely?

 

[Grendel]

I do absolutely take your point about there being questionable reasons for sharing the cartoon but I remember often in discussions taking an alternative point to engage others in exploring their opinions. Or being a devils advocate, you know it’s a legitimate teaching tool in experiential subjects surely?

The fact is the only reason people would not do it is they are terrified of the savagery and brutality from the Islam rent a mob band of brothers. Any other religion is fair game on anything

Dave Allen would I suspect not have lived very long if he’d dressed up in full moss garb

 

[skybluetony176]

Literally no one, in this country at least, takes Christians moaning about shit seriously, we just laugh at them. Yet when it comes to Islam people start pissing their knickers. It's very very strange.

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So who’s pissing their knickers in this scenario? The people who are getting angry that they’re using their right to protest using language like if they don’t like it they can leave or people saying that they have an equal right to protest in this country even if you don’t agree with them.

 

[TomRad85]

So who’s pissing their knickers in this scenario? The people who are getting angry that they’re using their right to protest using language like if they don’t like it they can leave or people saying that they have an equal right to protest in this country even if you don’t agree with them.

You are fucking hard work, Tony.

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