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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It will never be resolved. Rightly or wrongly, to a person Palestinians have never accepted the post war situation, and which was railroaded on them by the USA, not the British. And rightly or wrongly, every time they have attacked the borders since that time the result has been the capture of more lands by a American-backed Israel to claim the need to have a ceasefire patch to protect their lands. But for sure, it has always been the PLF or Hamas at the heart of instigating the troubles. There are obvious parallels from history on our own doorstep.

I don't know the answers and have sympathy for both sides, but I do know that a sitting MP shouldn't be on the streets campaigning for 'inalienable rights' and which will surely stoke up trouble here, and elsewhere.

Rightly or wrongly, it is not all on the people living in squalor on a narrow strip of desert compared to a state with the backing of the most powerful country on the planet. And a state that threatened New Zealand with war for daring to criticise the West Bank settlements.

Both peoples have a right to recognition

 

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[Deleted member 4439]

Really? Hamas started this??? Best joke I’ve heard on here

The current rocket exchange. Yes they did, that's simply a fact.

 

[wingy]

I feel It all kinda suit's Netanyahu who once again can't form his own govt.

 

[TomRad85]

If I was in London, I'd say make them stop.

Let me move out first then they can crack on

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[Grendel]

Rightly or wrongly, it is not all on the people living in squalor on a narrow strip of desert compared to a state with the backing of the most powerful country on the planet. And a state that threatened New Zealand with war for daring to criticise the West Bank settlements.

Both peoples have a right to recognition

The fascinating thing is Labour left wing members and politicians are far more invested in this conflict than any other on the planet and we all know why

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You're right, Labour and The National Front may as well join forces.

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This is like the Sky headline ‘Labour denies it is like the Nazis’

 

[Ian1779]

Do you mean balanced in terms of warfare? Then, of course it's not.

When you are a people that seem to have no recourse to justice (and we do need to see the end to certain Israel injustices) then lobbing rockets over the wall is understandable. Indeed, Hamas have never stopped firing rockets over the Israel border, it's a week in week out occurrence in some parts. But when you fire on Tel Aviv, then Tel Aviv is going to have something to say back.

If France started raining missives on London tomorrow, you would simply want to allow the situation to continue in some kind of proportionate tit for tat? If I was in London, I'd say make them stop.

It’s like retaliating to a kid firing a catapult by using a trebuchet.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The current rocket exchange. Yes they did, that's simply a fact.

Thought the police stormed the mosque

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Thought the police stormed the mosque

And I meant it’s a powder keg ready to go off at any moment

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The fascinating thing is Labour left wing members and politicians are far more invested in this conflict than any other on the planet and we all know why

Are they? Saudi Arabia gets just as much criticism for the crimes in Yemen. Why is it not Islamophobic to criticise them?

 

[TomRad85]

This is like the Sky headline ‘Labour denies it is like the Nazis’

Nothing like the Nazis tbh. The Nazis had support

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[Grendel]

Are they? Saudi Arabia gets just as much criticism for the crimes in Yemen. Why is it not Islamophobic to criticise them?

from Zara Sultana?

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Rightly or wrongly, it is not all on the people living in squalor on a narrow strip of desert compared to a state with the backing of the most powerful country on the planet. And a state that threatened New Zealand with war for daring to criticise the West Bank settlements.

Both peoples have a right to recognition

Here what you say, but there are right and wrong ways of going about things.

 

[Ian1779]

The fascinating thing is Labour left wing members and politicians are far more invested in this conflict than any other on the planet and we all know why

You evidently don’t.

 

[Grendel]

You evidently don’t.

oh I do

 

[Ian1779]

Thought the police stormed the mosque

They did - during prayers for Ramadan.

 

[TomRad85]

Are they? Saudi Arabia gets just as much criticism for the crimes in Yemen. Why is it not Islamophobic to criticise them?

Literally none of the lefty activists on my feed go marching around London criticising Saudi Arabia. Get the Jews involved and they can't get on the streets quick enough.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Here what you say, but there are right and wrong ways of going about things.

They’re living in a shithole with the Israelis blockading them and periodically killing civilians while illegally building in the West Bank. I want the violence on both sides to stop but for it to also be permitted to criticise Israel without being called anti Semitic

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Literally none of the lefty activists on my feed go marching around London criticising Saudi Arabia. Get the Jews involved and they can't get on the streets quick enough.

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Well known righty Owen Jones led the anti-Saudi protests

 

[Grendel]

They’re living in a shithole with the Israelis blockading them and periodically killing civilians while illegally building in the West Bank. I want the violence on both sides to stop but for it to also be permitted to criticise Israel without being called anti Semitic

Why are Labour so invested? Does sultana criticise say North Korea or China as much as Israel?

 

[TomRad85]

Why are Labour so invested? Does sultana criticise say North Korea or China as much as Israel?

I see Naz Shah and Jeremy Corbyn are doing an online event. Like clockwork.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why are Labour so invested? Does sultana criticise say North Korea or China as much as Israel?

Zarah Sultana is not the entire Labour Party, any more than the vile Kaczynski is the entire Tory Party. Why is it we never hear of Islamophobia being rife in a party where 40% of the members don’t want a brown leader?

 

[Deleted member 4439]

I feel It all kinda suit's Netanyahu who once again can't form his own govt.

There is a political thought that Hamas have seen this as an opportunity amid the cancellation of the parliamentary elections. To be clear, this is not denying the Israeli expansionist policy that has occurred, much of which has been promoted by US orthodox Jews. But did Hamas start the current exchange, they did

There are many victims and precious few heroes in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict | Borzou Daragahi

There is little chance for change unless the political will is shown by the international community

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 4439]

They’re living in a shithole with the Israelis blockading them and periodically killing civilians while illegally building in the West Bank. I want the violence on both sides to stop but for it to also be permitted to criticise Israel without being called anti Semitic

Agree regards the land grab, though the killings are usually retaliation. But neither do I want my MP to be raising the political profile of a terrorist organisation and then blaming Israeli for the bombings.

I confess I have sympathies for Irish republicanism, but I didn't agree with the inland bombings.

Likewise, I haven't forgiven whoever it was on the Palestinian side for having caused me to break three bottles of really good wine when I ran to a shelter back in 85 when shopping in Masada.

 

[Ian1779]

Totally agree. But neither do I want my MP to be raising the political profile of a terrorist organisation and then blaming Israeli for the bombings.

I confess I have sympathies for Irish republicans, but I didn't agree with the inland bombings.

So you think a resolution and peace is necessary (which we all do) but there is no desire in the UK and US administrations to push for this. Why would that be the case??

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Totally agree. But neither do I want my MP to be raising the political profile of a terrorist organisation and then blaming Israeli for the bombings.

I confess I have sympathies for Irish republicans, but I didn't agree with the inland bombings.

Well she isn’t my MP but it levels out the great work she did challenging school reopening earlier in the year. It must be a 2 state solution where Israel respectfully withdraw the illegal settlers and Hamas are de-militarised while recognising Israel’s right to exist.

Picking a side helps nobody

 

[wingy]

I remember year's ago now reject the plo hold election's and we will have dialogue then .
Hamas were duly elected,what happened with that?
I remember Israel taking out elected or member's on foreign soil,same for scientists.
Hit Jobs just like the Scripal affair only with bullet's.
Who has the answers,it isn't only one side.
It's impossible.

 

[shmmeee]

Why are Labour so invested? Does sultana criticise say North Korea or China as much as Israel?

Yes

 

[skybluetony176]

They’re living in a shithole with the Israelis blockading them and periodically killing civilians while illegally building in the West Bank. I want the violence on both sides to stop but for it to also be permitted to criticise Israel without being called anti Semitic

I’ve been to the West Bank and it’s shocking. It’s a ghetto, in the truest sense of the word. Locked in the West Bank, allowed to go in and out for work. I was on a tour ran by Israelies and they used it as a propaganda exercise. Justifying illegal settlements on the bases of they build nicer homes than the Palestinians. It was mental, like you were supposed to go yeah fuck em the scruffy cunts. God knows what the Gaza Strip must be like, it’s one of the most densely populated places in the world.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

So you think a resolution and peace is necessary (which we all do) but there is no desire in the UK and US administrations to push for this. Why would that be the case??

Things probably haven't changed since the war, in terms of Britain sitting at the knees of the US and enjoying a 'special relationship'. The British looked for a land for dispossessed Jews from the war, but limited in number and with a tightly restricted land covenant. The US had a very strong Jewish political lobby, and railroaded Britain into massively increasing the numbers and the legitimization of a Jewish state. It was less the Jewish terrorism against Britain's forces that forced Britain's hand, much more the need for cold hard cash to rebuild after the war.

Britain is no longer part of the answer - it's down to the US and the Arab states.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Haven’t Labour led the calls to sus


I’ve been to the West Bank and it’s shocking. It’s a ghetto, in the truest sense of the word. Locked in the West Bank, allowed to go in and out for work. I was on a tour ran by Israelies and they used it as a propaganda exercise. Justifying illegal settlements on the bases of they build nicer homes than the Palestinians. It was mental, like you were supposed to go yeah fuck em the scruffy cunts. God knows what the Gaza Strip must be like, it’s one of the most densely populated places in the world.

Close friend of mine went to build houses with a charity there. Israel bulldozed then for settlements

 

[skybluetony176]

I remember year's ago now reject the plo hold election's and we will have dialogue then .
Hamas were duly elected,what happened with that?
I remember Israel taking out elected or member's on foreign soil,same for scientists.
Hit Jobs just like the Scripal affair only with bullet's.
Who has the answers,it isn't only one side.
It's impossible.

I think Rabin was the last Israeli PM to have a real go at finding a solution including the Oslo accord. Cost him his life. Such a shame because it brought real hope to the region for a brief period of time.

 

[Ian1779]

Britain is no longer part of the answer - it's down to the US and the Arab states.

I agree - it should stop selling arms to Israel immediately.

 

[skybluetony176]

Close friend of mine went to build houses with a charity there. Israel bulldozed then for settlements

Sounds about right.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’ve been to the West Bank and it’s shocking. It’s a ghetto, in the truest sense of the word. Locked in the West Bank, allowed to go in and out for work. I was on a tour ran by Israelies and they used it as a propaganda exercise. Justifying illegal settlements on the bases of they build nicer homes than the Palestinians. It was mental, like you were supposed to go yeah fuck em the scruffy cunts. God knows what the Gaza Strip must be like, it’s one of the most densely populated places in the world.

Never been to that part of the world but as long as Israel is in the grip of Netanyahu it won't change