The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (25 Viewers)

[CCFCSteve]

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fair point, he might’ve said it ! (he’s a bullshitting twat though)

 

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[skybluetony176]

fair point, he might’ve said it ! (he’s a bullshitting twat though)

But he wasn’t saying anything that anyone else promoting Brexit wasn’t saying. In fact he was probably saying less. The NHS Brexit bonus for example wasn’t his lie.

 

[CCFCSteve]

But he wasn’t saying anything that anyone else promoting Brexit wasn’t saying. In fact he was probably saying less. The NHS Brexit bonus for example wasn’t his lie.

I don’t recall many people saying there would be some kind of jobs boost or Brexit would save jobs from failing plants. The general commentary was that if we voted Brexit hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost (if people believed government forecasts - I didn’t). I did see/hear people say that there might be an improvement in salaries of low paid/ low skilled (due to reduced supply of labour), which hope will be the case.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Nobody said Brexit would ensure plants losing 100m in 10 years wouldn’t close ?! As I said, the articles saying it’s nothing to do with Brexit (or certainly isn’t a major factor)

This is the problem when slogans get tossed out and everyone thinks it applies to them and their interpretation of it. 'Taking control of our jobs' to the people at this plant may well have meant 'our jobs will be safer if we vote Leave'.

 

[clint van damme]

I don’t recall many people saying there would be some kind of jobs boost or Brexit would save jobs from failing plants. The general commentary was that if we voted Brexit hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost (if people believed government forecasts - I didn’t). I did see/hear people say that there might be an improvement in salaries of low paid/ low skilled (due to reduced supply of labour), which hope will be the case.

You're out of look. Even though the latest forecasts predict impressive growth for the economy wage suppression is set to continue.

 

[skybluetony176]

I don’t recall many people saying there would be some kind of jobs boost or Brexit would save jobs from failing plants. The general commentary was that if we voted Brexit hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost (if people believed government forecasts - I didn’t). I did see/hear people say that there might be an improvement in salaries of low paid/ low skilled (due to reduced supply of labour), which hope will be the case.

From the vote leave campaign

“We'll be free to trade with the whole world
The EU stops us signing our own trade deals with key allies like Australia or New Zealand, ad growing economies like India, China or Brazil. We'll be free to seize new opportunities which means more jobs.”

Although the Australian deal looks likely to be a blow for farming which ultimately will cost jobs. Same expected with a Brazil free trade deal.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Steve, a big selling point of Brexit was that things like the above wouldn't happen. Nobody here or in fact anywhere is revelling in people losing their jobs

Brexit nor EU membership is enough to save a failing business.

£100 million over 10 years is a lot of money. Even if Brexit was a catalyst, those losses are clearly not sustainable.

 

[Grendel]

I don’t recall many people saying there would be some kind of jobs boost or Brexit would save jobs from failing plants. The general commentary was that if we voted Brexit hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost (if people believed government forecasts - I didn’t). I did see/hear people say that there might be an improvement in salaries of low paid/ low skilled (due to reduced supply of labour), which hope will be the case.

Im amazed “the Brexit deal is positive for Nissan” hasn’t been mentioned

Brexit: Nissan commits to keep making cars in Sunderland

The Japanese car maker has told the BBC its Sunderland plant is secure for the long term.

www.google.co.uk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Brexit nor EU membership is enough to save a failing business.

£100 million over 10 years is a lot of money. Even if Brexit was a catalyst, those losses are clearly not sustainable.

You're missing my point. The soundbites were made so that many took their own meaning from it and thought it applied to them, including job security.

 

[skybluetony176]

We hold all the cards, easiest deal in history

 

[skybluetony176]

I’ll have to see if I can find it again (I may have already linked it) but there was an article that estimated that Brexit had cost half a million U.K. jobs in the first couple of years after voting leave from simple things like currency devaluation, the recovery being stopped in its tracks and going in reverse as a direct result of the leave vote. Basically little effects like that adding up.

 

[skybluetony176]

Im amazed “the Brexit deal is positive for Nissan” hasn’t been mentioned

Brexit: Nissan commits to keep making cars in Sunderland

The Japanese car maker has told the BBC its Sunderland plant is secure for the long term.

www.google.co.uk

It was at the time. Not surprised you feel the need to bring it up again though.

 

[Grendel]

You're missing my point. The soundbites were made so that many took their own meaning from it and thought it applied to them, including job security.

what no one would lose their job? Who said that?

 

[clint van damme]

Im amazed “the Brexit deal is positive for Nissan” hasn’t been mentioned

Brexit: Nissan commits to keep making cars in Sunderland

The Japanese car maker has told the BBC its Sunderland plant is secure for the long term.

www.google.co.uk

it has been, when the article was posted 5 months ago.

 

[PVA]

Im amazed “the Brexit deal is positive for Nissan” hasn’t been mentioned

Brexit: Nissan commits to keep making cars in Sunderland

The Japanese car maker has told the BBC its Sunderland plant is secure for the long term.

www.google.co.uk

Sums it up when you can find one article from months ago to back up your viewpoint.

Brexit is a fucking disaster. You have to be a complete idiot and/or too embarrassed to admit you were wrong to claim otherwise.

 

[Grendel]

Sums it up when you can find one article from months ago to back up your viewpoint.

Brexit is a fucking disaster. You have to be a complete idiot and/or too embarrassed to admit you were wrong to claim otherwise.

So you judge a huge change in months even though it will be judged in generations

Makes sense

 

[PVA]

So you judge a huge change in months even though it will be judged in generations

Makes sense

So it'll be a total shit show for years but it'll be bloody brilliant once we're dead. Definitely be good then.

That's a convenient excuse.

People didn't vote for something that won't show any benefits until long after they're dead ffs.

 

[Grendel]

That's a convenient excuse.

People didn't vote for something that won't show any benefits until long after they're dead ffs.

How is it an excuse - what benefits in the first few months were promised?

Can you show me a link?

 

[skybluetony176]

So.

It’s not about the NHS
It’s not about fishing
It’s not about farming
It’s not about jobs

What was it about again?

 

[PVA]

How is it an excuse - what benefits in the first few months were promised?

Can you show me a link?

It's an excuse because for as long as Brexit is a shit show you can say 'it's OK it'll be great in 100 years', thus sticking your head in the sand with a pathetic excuse.

It was said there would be no downsides, only considerable upsides.

It's been the total opposite so far.

As I said, there is no way people would vote for something that would be harmful in their lifetimes and only show benefit long after they're dead.

So which category are you, total idiot or too embarrassed to admit you got it wrong? Both?

 

[Grendel]

It was said there would be no downsides, only considerable upsides.

It's been the total opposite so far.

As I said, there is no way people would vote for something that would be harmful in their lifetimes and only show benefit long after they're dead.

So which category are you, total idiot or too embarrassed to admit you got it wrong? Both?

So what timeline were these considerable upsides - link please

I’ve not been negatively impacted personally by Brexit anyway. In what way has it impacted you personally?

 

[PVA]

So.

It’s not about the NHS
It’s not about fishing
It’s not about farming
It’s not about jobs

What was it about again?

Immigration

 

[skybluetony176]

How is it an excuse - what benefits in the first few months were promised?

Can you show me a link?

40 free trade deals seconds after Brexit happens according to one of the charlatans. We haven’t signed one yet and the only one we’re looking at signing is going to screw over one of the industries that definitely, absolutely was going to be a Brexit winner.

 

[PVA]

So what timeline were these considerable upsides - link please

I’ve not been negatively impacted personally by Brexit anyway. In what way has it impacted you personally?

Typical fucking Tory

I'm alright Jack

 

[skybluetony176]

It's an excuse because for as long as Brexit is a shit show you can say 'it's OK it'll be great in 100 years', thus sticking your head in the sand with a pathetic excuse.

It was said there would be no downsides, only considerable upsides.

It's been the total opposite so far.

As I said, there is no way people would vote for something that would be harmful in their lifetimes and only show benefit long after they're dead.

So which category are you, total idiot or too embarrassed to admit you got it wrong? Both?

50 years before we see the benefits said another of the charlatans.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

50 years before we see the benefits said another of the charlatans.

That was JRM. But he conveniently didn't mention it until after the vote.

 

[skybluetony176]

Typical fucking Tory

I'm alright Jack

Even then he’s lying to himself. He’s lost rights such as how long he can visit European countries. Free healthcare when visiting EU countries. The automatic right to be an expat in the EU.

 

[Grendel]

Typical fucking Tory

I'm alright Jack

have working class people in the north shown Their anger against Brexit?

 

[skybluetony176]

That was JRM. But he conveniently didn't mention it until after the vote.

Funny that. He did promise shoes on feet though so every cloud.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I think we need to rename this thread to something more appropriate. Leaving this here if anyone needs it:

Samaritans - Here to listen

Samaritans works to make sure there’s always someone there for anyone who needs someone. Read more.

www.samaritans.org

 

[PVA]

have working class people in the north shown Their anger against Brexit?

They will do in a few years when reality hits. When fishing and farming are decimated. When it turns out Brexit doesn't mean less foreigners in their towns.

 

[PVA]

I think we need to rename this thread to something more appropriate. Leaving this here if anyone needs it:

Samaritans - Here to listen

Samaritans works to make sure there’s always someone there for anyone who needs someone. Read more.

www.samaritans.org

Is that for the working class Brexiters?

Very kind of you to post it!

 

[skybluetony176]

have working class people in the north shown Their anger against Brexit?

Depends on what they do for a living. Fishermen ain’t too pleased.

 

[Grendel]

They will do in a few years when reality hits. When fishing and farming are decimated. When it turns out Brexit doesn't mean less foreigners in their towns.

But you said I should be embarrassed as people demanded an instant benefit so either they’ve had it and continued to support the party they delivered Brexit or your comment was nonsense

Now it’s not about now but the future

You are all over the place

 

[Grendel]

Is that for the working class Brexiters?

Very kind of you to post it!

Those that said a thank you to the Conservative party for delivering Brexit at the recent elections?