Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (252 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm rooting for you to have that wedding.

I have also been invited to a wedding on the 21st and 24th (an Indian wedding actually so you know those things go on for days). It is possible I may not be able to make it though, as with quarantine in the Netherlands and The UK each end would mean I would be stuck without being able to work on client site for too long.

We can tolerate them pushing back for 2 weeks, possibly even 3. But by our date everyone going will be vaccinated, over half will have had both jabs either through age, profession or CEV. I am yet to hear a convincing argument as to why we should be denied that.

 

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[Sick Boy]

I don’t think it is easy - it’s the amber rating that’s the odd one. All should be green or red and it’s impossible for the aviation industry to last another summer with zero travel

The amber rating for Italy and the test requirement to be in English, French or Spanish is a joke. I refuse to accept that visiting relatives for the first time in 18months is a holiday.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What does that have to do with allowing flights from India?

What a strange counter argument.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't the media who allowed thousands of people to arrive from India.

I never said they did.

Your constant 'defend the media at all costs' narrative is really weird. Do you work for 'Coventry Live' or something?

The Government are useless, I'm pretty sure most people on this thread have ripped into them, not at least on the Heathrow Airport red list stuff this morning.

Again though, to try and suggest the media do not try and shame, guilt, scaremonger, and generally behave immorally is so bizarre that it borders on flat out denial.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The amber rating for Italy and the test requirement to be in English, French or Spanish is a joke. I refuse to accept that visiting relatives for the first time in 18months is a holiday.

They saw your posts about all day drinking sessions and decided to crack down.

 

[PVA]

I never said they did.

Your constant 'defend the media at all costs' narrative is really weird. Do you work for 'Coventry Live' or something?

The Government are useless, I'm pretty sure most people on this thread have ripped into them, not at least on the Heathrow Airport red list stuff this morning.

Again though, to try and suggest the media do not try and shame, guilt, scaremonger, and generally behave immorally is so bizarre that it borders on flat out denial.

I'm not defending the media or saying they're whiter than white.

The blame for the spread of the Indian variant lies only with the government and certainly not the media. I don't think anyone can argue with that.

Yet I see more posts on here calling the media scum than calling the government scum.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They saw your posts about all day drinking sessions and decided to crack down.

They still think he’s some heroin using pimp from Edinburgh

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm rooting for you to have that wedding.

I have also been invited to a wedding on the 21st and 24th (an Indian wedding actually so you know those things go on for days). It is possible I may not be able to make it though, as with quarantine in the Netherlands and The UK each end would mean I would be stuck without being able to work on client site for too long.

Prepare for more alcohol than you’ve ever seen at a wedding. I went to one on Granby Steet in Leicester and ended up with 3 bottles of spirits per person on each table and a pint within 10 seconds of raising my arm.
At one point it got stormed by members of the Baby Squad with fights inside and outside, it was definitely an experience.

 

[SBT]

Tim Martin wants to pack his bargain basement pubs ASAP. I want to get married with 40 people there. Slight difference and Scotland already allows 50

So you agree we should be following the science, and not be unduly influenced by those with a financial interest in reopening ASAP?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So you agree we should be following the science, and not be unduly influenced by those with a financial interest in reopening ASAP?

To me the science supports it so far and in 3 weeks time even more so. My financial interest lies in the not small sums of money we lose with reduced capacity at short notice for service providers and venue

 

[chiefdave]

I am a scientist too, and I’m looking at the vast numbers we have with some or full vaccine protection, then comparing to those remaining unvaccinated who comprise the bulk of infections but a tiny proportion of serious cases. Those remaining by June 21st will be an even smaller group still.

Isn't that the whole point? Look at the data over the remaining 3 weeks and there's, as far as I can tell, 3 possible outcomes; hospitalisations & deaths don't increase and we proceed as planned; hospitalisations & deaths show an increase but not an exponential increase so we proceed with caution, possibly with some restrictions still in place; hospitalisations & deaths are increasing exponentially in which case there has to be a conversation over how to proceed, as you say in that scenario you do a deep dive into who is being impacted and if they are vaccinated.

We're all hoping that its the first of those scenarios and everything proceeds as planned.

Its not a coincidence there's been a sudden push to increase the rate of vaccinations, there's obviously some concern there and it makes sense to keep monitoring and react based on the data and expert advice.

And yet all this time I have been expected to teach 150 people a day with poor ventilation, no priority for a vaccine and no ability to mandate mask wearing to students. But the idea of a wedding where all guests are vaccinated is ‘too dangerous’

Wasn't this the point being made, and ignored, when the kids were first sent back? If you want to open up schools something else needs to close to offset it if you want to avoid numbers increasing. Its never been the case of closing everything that's a risk, its been about managing risk in order not to overwhelm the NHS.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Isn't that the whole point? Look at the data over the remaining 3 weeks and there's, as far as I can tell, 3 possible outcomes; hospitalisations & deaths don't increase and we proceed as planned; hospitalisations & deaths show an increase but not an exponential increase so we proceed with caution, possibly with some restrictions still in place; hospitalisations & deaths are increasing exponentially in which case there has to be a conversation over how to proceed, as you say in that scenario you do a deep dive into who is being impacted and if they are vaccinated.

We're all hoping that its the first of those scenarios and everything proceeds as planned.

Its not a coincidence there's been a sudden push to increase the rate of vaccinations, there's obviously some concern there and it makes sense to keep monitoring and react based on the data and expert advice.

Wasn't this the point being made, and ignored, when the kids were first sent back? If you want to open up schools something else needs to close to offset it if you want to avoid numbers increasing. Its never been the case of closing everything that's a risk, its been about managing risk in order not to overwhelm the NHS.

Open up schools but deny teachers priority for vaccination?

 

[chiefdave]

We can tolerate them pushing back for 2 weeks, possibly even 3. But by our date everyone going will be vaccinated, over half will have had both jabs either through age, profession or CEV. I am yet to hear a convincing argument as to why we should be denied that.

You're in to the argument about vaccine passports here really. If everyone is vaccinated should they be subject to restrictions while we wait for others to be vaccinated. Not sure what the answer is but does 'one size fits all' really work. I can see the arguments that its not fair to stop people going to a match or a gig but should the same apply to a private event such as your wedding?

Open up schools but deny teachers priority for vaccination?

Would have moved the likes of teachers up the list personally. If you're expecting them to perform the tests then give them a jab. Not that hard to put on an extra vaccination clinic and get teachers done. How many teachers in the whole of Cov for example? My doctors alone was doing close to 1K jabs a day but only operating 2 days a week at most. Don't buy the 'it was too complicated to organise' line.

 

[Sick Boy]

Open up schools but deny teachers priority for vaccination?

That’s ridiculous.

 

[SBAndy]

I'm rooting for you to have that wedding.

I have also been invited to a wedding on the 21st and 24th (an Indian wedding actually so you know those things go on for days). It is possible I may not be able to make it though, as with quarantine in the Netherlands and The UK each end would mean I would be stuck without being able to work on client site for too long.

Are you sure it’s not just different stages of the same wedding you’ve been invited to on 21st and 24th?

I’m due at a wedding on 26th and I do appreciate it’d be a pain in the arse for that to be rearranged given it was initially scheduled for May last year. I absolutely get BSB’s frustration considering the individual circumstances, but you can’t manage the entire country by that. Yes, maybe vaccine passport events up to an increased restriction would be workable, I wouldn’t be against that.

I do hope this whole thing sorts itself out in the next week or so, which will mean we’re released again. The main concern for me is that the Indian variant was hospitalising much younger people; and yes, I know their population is generally younger, but I hope and assume that as data feeds through, it’ll see a decrease in hospitalisation rate and we can carry on with easing.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Are you sure it’s not just different stages of the same wedding you’ve been invited to on 21st and 24th?

I’m due at a wedding on 26th and I do appreciate it’d be a pain in the arse for that to be rearranged given it was initially scheduled for May last year. I absolutely get BSB’s frustration considering the individual circumstances, but you can’t manage the entire country by that. Yes, maybe vaccine passport events up to an increased restriction would be workable, I wouldn’t be against that.

I do hope this whole thing sorts itself out in the next week or so, which will mean we’re released again. The main concern for me is that the Indian variant was hospitalising much younger people; and yes, I know their population is generally younger, but I hope and assume that as data feeds through, it’ll see a decrease in hospitalisation rate and we can carry on with easing.

The wedding was actually supposed to be in Kerala, India last December - but now they have resorted to doing it in the UK. Selfishly, that is a shame as I would have loved to go there for a wedding/holiday. Yes, there are different stages throughout the week. The ceremony being on the 24th and the pissup being on the 21st. Not sure what sits between it to be honest, but I've seen pictures of the booze order and it is ridiculous.

I think with BSB and situations like that, he has a point. Whilst as much as he wouldn't complain if things were managed in tow with his wedding, what reasoning is there that his big day shouldn't go ahead? I understand waiting for the data etc, but India is already on a decent downward curve (not that you would know it), so the information should be there. I can't see anything from it to suggest that younger or unvaccinated people are generally of more risk.

 

[MusicDating]

Well it's easy for you to say that when you have a clear financial and emotional interest in reopening etc etc. Tim Martin might make a similar argument.

I don't disagree with any of what you're saying - Tim Martin might well be right too! - but the idea that we should be discounting/ignoring expert opinion because we don't think they have enough skin in the game seems like a bad idea to me. The fact that people who even just want to hear these opinions in the first place are being painted as lockdown-loving doom-mongers shows that we've maybe not learned that much from the past 18 months.

Well, we're only hearing from very few of the most vocal scientists that make up SAGE and it's sub-groups - List of participants of SAGE and related sub-groups and no doubt they have future careers to think of too...

 

[TomRad85]

some people are happy with a wfh culture and couldn’t care less about wider society

I like wfh but do care about wider society. Where does that put me?
I nearly shit myself with delight when my boss said if I don't want to I never have to traipse my arse into Central London again.

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[SBAndy]

The wedding was actually supposed to be in Kerala, India last December - but now they have resorted to doing it in the UK. Selfishly, that is a shame as I would have loved to go there for a wedding/holiday. Yes, there are different stages throughout the week. The ceremony being on the 24th and the pissup being on the 21st. Not sure what sits between it to be honest, but I've seen pictures of the booze order and it is ridiculous.

I think with BSB and situations like that, he has a point. Whilst as much as he wouldn't complain if things were managed in tow with his wedding, what reasoning is there that his big day shouldn't go ahead? I understand waiting for the data etc, but India is already on a decent downward curve (not that you would know it), so the information should be there. I can't see anything from it to suggest that younger or unvaccinated people are generally of more risk.

Yeah fair. As I’m sure you can appreciate, it’s impossible to manage the wider population by this as their guests may not have had vaccines (in my case, if 25% of guests had been vaccinated then I’d be surprised!). But I get the frustration and where we can, yes I agree things should be eased.

Easy to say India are now on a downward curve but they’ve seen absolute carnage over there recently and a large young population. For what it’s worth, I just think that waiting for the next week/10 days will give the indication on hospitalisation data and we will be able to continue with 21st June. Given the data, I’m relatively optimistic about this.

With that, I’ll retract my “no rational debate” comment from the other day. As it happens, I was out at the time and had had a fair few beers.

 

[David O'Day]

Prepare for more alcohol than you’ve ever seen at a wedding. I went to one on Granby Steet in Leicester and ended up with 3 bottles of spirits per person on each table and a pint within 10 seconds of raising my arm.
At one point it got stormed by members of the Baby Squad with fights inside and outside, it was definitely an experience.

Went to one in Foleshill about 2 years back, pretty much the same minus the Baby Squad.

 

[PVA]

I like wfh but do care about wider society. Where does that put me?
I nearly shit myself with delight when my boss said if I don't want to I never have to traipse my arse into Central London again.

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I think that makes you perfectly normal.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying WFH.

There is nothing to say that enjoying WFH means you don’t care about wider society.

I’ve been back in the office for months, but much preferred WFH!

 

[shmmeee]

I don’t get the relationship between WFH and caring for society? Aside from anything else I suspect it’s probably the single best move for the climate and local economies we could do easily and cheaply.

 

[chiefdave]

Bit of a good news / bad news with the figures today.

Cases over 3K again even with the weekend and bank holiday lag we always seem to get. That puts the 7 day trend at a 32% increase.

However the good news is deaths on zero today which puts the 7 day trend at a 10% decrease.

For some reason patients admitted to hospital doesn't seem to be updated for a week. Does it always lag that far behind? Seems to be based on date admitted rather than date reported so maybe it does.

If the trend in deaths continues, you'd assume hospitalisations would also be going down in that case, no reason not to go for it on 21st June.

 

[SBAndy]

I don’t get the relationship between WFH and caring for society? Aside from anything else I suspect it’s probably the single best move for the climate and local economies we could do easily and cheaply.

Look at who suggested the WFH crew are the ones that don’t care about wider society. That should answer your doubts.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Zero deaths



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Zilch

For the first time since the pandemic began.


If thats not reason to crack open a beer this evening i dont know what is.



We're nearly there people!

 

[PVA]

Look at who suggested the WFH crew are the ones that don’t care about wider society. That should answer your doubts.

Exactly! There is no link between the two (for the vast majority of people)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Are you sure it’s not just different stages of the same wedding you’ve been invited to on 21st and 24th?

I’m due at a wedding on 26th and I do appreciate it’d be a pain in the arse for that to be rearranged given it was initially scheduled for May last year. I absolutely get BSB’s frustration considering the individual circumstances, but you can’t manage the entire country by that. Yes, maybe vaccine passport events up to an increased restriction would be workable, I wouldn’t be against that.

I do hope this whole thing sorts itself out in the next week or so, which will mean we’re released again. The main concern for me is that the Indian variant was hospitalising much younger people; and yes, I know their population is generally younger, but I hope and assume that as data feeds through, it’ll see a decrease in hospitalisation rate and we can carry on with easing.

In our case we'd be 10 over the current limit in England, but 10 below the limit in Scotland. As above we'd be in a very favourable position with respect to vaccinated guests which is where blanket 'you can't do this' is quite frustrating. But I do get the country does not bow to my whim

 

[Grendel]

Zero deaths



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Zilch

For the first time since the pandemic began.


If thats not reason to crack open a beer this evening i dont know what is.



We're nearly there people!

Nah caveats on the Beeb “this is a bank holiday where lower than normal deaths are reported”

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You're in to the argument about vaccine passports here really. If everyone is vaccinated should they be subject to restrictions while we wait for others to be vaccinated. Not sure what the answer is but does 'one size fits all' really work. I can see the arguments that its not fair to stop people going to a match or a gig but should the same apply to a private event such as your wedding?

Would have moved the likes of teachers up the list personally. If you're expecting them to perform the tests then give them a jab. Not that hard to put on an extra vaccination clinic and get teachers done. How many teachers in the whole of Cov for example? My doctors alone was doing close to 1K jabs a day but only operating 2 days a week at most. Don't buy the 'it was too complicated to organise' line.

In our case we have postponed getting married for around a year, and we have a number of elderly guests who are the most wanting to go while they can. There is also the whole industry related to weddings to consider too, the mostly self employed photographers/musicians/hair and make up etc etc, plus venues themselves. I do not quite understand why we need to be 20 below the Scottish limit for example, or Northern Ireland where there isn't even a specified number.

On teachers, I did know a few in other parts of the country who got them through clinics offering them on their own initiative, but the only way you'd know is if you were in some WhatsApp group where the message came out. When I went for my jab last Tuesday the nurse said the hospital had been offering jabs for teachers the month before-but we were never told

 

[fernandopartridge]

It is easy for you to say that with little investment, emotionally financially or otherwise, in the decisions made

We've all got investment in it, you are not unique in having your life plans disrupted or having to change the way you work.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We've all got investment in it, you are not unique in having your life plans disrupted or having to change the way you work.

Didn't say I was

 

[Evo1883]

Didn't say I was

I ain't getting married this year if it helps , so you deffo have more reason to be anxious about it than many

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I ain't getting married this year if it helps , so you deffo have more reason to be anxious about it than many

Expressing a grievance does not mean one doesn't acknowledge others have things going on.

 

[hill83]

Expressing a grievance does not mean one doesn't acknowledge others have things going on.

Well you did specifically say that to Shmeee to be fair.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well you did specifically say that to Shmeee to be fair.

To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't.

 

[shmmeee]

To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't.

It’s true. I don’t.