Ben Sheaf future (1 Viewer)

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I was just going to say that. It is strange how he was clearly the worst passer in our defence but rarely criticised for it.

BTW I do like Ostigard but he does have to improve on this if he is to play at a higher level.

I agree. I regularly criticised Ostigard. Mainly for his finishing which was harsh. The guy wins every header. He got better as the season wore on.

for me he always had a moment of madness in him

 

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[Marty]

I'm not surpised Osti has poor passing stats, spent half the season playing alongside the useless Da Costa, who couldn't hold a position if his life depended on it.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

That can be coached to be fair. What can't be coached is being able to leap an extra foot in the air

I agree.

It's just odd that players like Sheaf and Hyam get more criticism for things than other players. A lot if it comes down to body language and style of play, or too much/ too little smiling.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I agree. I regularly criticised Ostigard. Mainly for his finishing which was harsh. The guy wins every header. He got better as the season wore on.

for me he always had a moment of madness in him

Yes. I saw comments that he was going to be replacing Ben White or lining up against Harland and Levandowski in the Bundesliga next season. He was bamboozled by QPR's forwards. I'd still like him here next season though as he does have potential.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I agree.

It's just odd that players like Sheaf and Hyam get more criticism for things than other players. A lot if it comes down to body language and style of play, or too much/ too little smiling.

This, if you look at James, Sheaf and Kelly - they all have weaknesses but are complemented by each other. That’s to be expected at a club our level

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree.

It's just odd that players like Sheaf and Hyam get more criticism for things than other players. A lot if it comes down to body language and style of play, or too much/ too little smiling.

That is all it is, if you just take a dislike to a player early on for whatever reason, he has to do ten times as much to convince you he's any good. Opposite for a player who makes a good first impression. Sheaf I am pretty confident will come good given the time

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I agree.

It's just odd that players like Sheaf and Hyam get more criticism for things than other players. A lot if it comes down to body language and style of play, or too much/ too little smiling.

Statistically Hyam is up there with Ostigard

 

[Skybluedownunder]

Funnily fans favourite Leo Ostigard lost possession more

Wouldn’t some of those numbers though where it’s a tally be based on the fact McFadz played more games? Osti at the start of the season didn’t get a look in


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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Wouldn’t some of those numbers though where it’s a tally be based on the fact McFadz played more games? Osti at the start of the season didn’t get a look in


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Ostigard actually played 1 more game the McFadzean

 

[Frostie]

Ostigard actually played 1 more game the McFadzean

Per 90mins is the best way to go, irons out those kind of queries.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Per 90mins is the best way to go, irons out those kind of queries.

Yes. Sorry didn’t do that one, but yeah. On average Ostigard lost the ball 5 times more per 90

I like Ostigard and think he’s going to be a top player, but McFadzean got so much unwarranted criticism last season. My mate was the worst for it

I was shocked that McFadzean won more Aerial duels though

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Yes. Sorry didn’t do that one, but yeah. On average Ostigard lost the ball 5 times more per 90

I like Ostigard and think he’s going to be a top player, but McFadzean got so much unwarranted criticism last season. My mate was the worst for it

I was shocked that McFadzean won more Aerial duels though

He made made a few obvious errors but we definitely looked better when he played.

 

[CDK]

He made made a few obvious errors but we definitely looked better when he played.

We always looked more secure with mcFadz starting plus he's the talker of the defense

 

[Terry_dactyl]

We always looked more secure with mcFadz starting plus he's the talker of the defense

I liked it when he gave Wilson a talking to, for stupidly swinging his arm at an opposition striker...against Rotherham?

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

I liked it when he gave Wilson a talking to, for stupidly swinging his arm at an opposition striker...against Rotherham?

Yes, he ,Osti and Hyam who finally sorted his feet out all had excellent ends to the season

 

[CDK]

Yes, he ,Osti and Hyam who finally sorted his feet out all had excellent ends to the season

Thought rose the back end of the season looked more up to standard as well.

 

[Greggs]

I don't understand why we are spending most of our budget on a player that isn't going straight into the starting 11. Bizarre.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I don't understand why we are spending most of our budget on a player that isn't going straight into the starting 11. Bizarre.

2bh if we sign James, the midfield will more than likely be sheaf, James, Hamer

 

[shmmeee]

He started 21/37 games he was fit for.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

He started 21/37 games he was fit for.

Also, it was the deal was sorted last season. It’s more than likely a long term signing. I can’t honestly believe the resistance to it or why people thought Robins was trying to get out of it

 

[Deleted member 11652]

He started 21/37 games he was fit for.

Just over half and you called someone a loon for saying he wasn’t in our best 11?

 

[woody11462]

Of the deal was sorted last season is it not likely to have been from last seasons budget? Also hasn't Boddy said we've got a slightly better budget than last summer and we spent a bit last year

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Of the deal was sorted last season is it not likely to have been from last seasons budget? Also hasn't Boddy said we've got a slightly better budget than last summer and we spent a bit last year

Entirely depends on the deal. Usually loan with an obligation to buy deals are done because the purchasing club wants are struggling with cash flow and want to spread out the cost of the player so it's a bit of an unknown whether we perhaps put a downpayment down first to secure his services.

Either way the fee will be paid in instalments anyway.

 

[Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon]

Of the deal was sorted last season is it not likely to have been from last seasons budget? Also hasn't Boddy said we've got a slightly better budget than last summer and we spent a bit last year

Probably depends when the fee is due to be paid, if it happens in whatever period we assign to season 21/22 then id think it would form part of the 21/22 budget. If this is the case then we've effectively pushed his transfer fee back a season whilst having the player (i know subject to certain conditions).

We might see the budget increase this season but it won't be by much i don't think, we also have no idea what impact the pandemic has had/will have on the process either.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

I'm not surpised Osti has poor passing stats, spent half the season playing alongside the useless Da Costa, who couldn't hold a position if his life depended on it.

To be fair to Dacosta, it's his first season in English football, the Championship is a step up from where he was playing and he was injured for the first half of the season.

There was enough there for me to suggest he can be a decent player, albeit, a different played to Dabo. If he stays injury free next season, he could do well for us although I'm not 100% sure if he'll just be back up for Dabo or could play elsewhere.

 

[Deleted member 11652]

To be fair to Dacosta, it's his first season in English football, the Championship is a step up from where he was playing and he was injured for the first half of the season.

There was enough there for me to suggest he can be a decent player, albeit, a different played to Dabo. If he stays injury free next season, he could do well for us although I'm not 100% sure if he'll just be back up for Dabo or could play elsewhere.

Dabo has it all to prove at this level himself

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I don't understand why we are spending most of our budget on a player that isn't going straight into the starting 11. Bizarre.

Because sometimes you are buying potential. Not all signings have to be immediate first choices, and over a period they will prove to be a good investment.

Anyway in Sheaf's case he was in the team most of the time last year when fully fit and probably will be next season.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

We're not spending £750k (if that's even the fee) in one go.

It's quite baffling the lack of knowledge fans still have on transfers despite posting for years.

Literally do a quick google search on transfers and you'll find out everything you need on how deals are brokered within about 10-15 minutes of reading. It's really not that difficult.

 

[Deleted member 11652]

We're not spending £750k (if that's even the fee) in one go.

It's quite baffling the lack of knowledge fans still have on transfers despite posting for years.

Literally do a quick google search on transfers and you'll find out everything you need on how deals are brokered within about 10-15 minutes of reading. It's really not that difficult.

But if it’s in instalments it still has to be paid, whether it’s now, next year or the year after. I doubt it’s £750k only if he plays for England at a World Cup is it. Everyone understands the deals are structured differently

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

But if it’s in instalments it still has to be paid, whether it’s now, next year or the year after. I doubt it’s £750k only if he plays for England at a World Cup is it. Everyone understands the deals are structured differently

They really don't at all as the same posters continue to spout rubbish about the Sheaf deal taking up a significant proportion of this year's budget.

Most transfer deals are structured in order to spread out the total cost to ensure it's more affordable for the purchasing club. It's no different to purchasing something on finance except in this instance costs are paid annually instead of monthly.

We have no idea how much the upfront fee is going to be. Again I doubt in terms of hard cash it's going to be the full £750k but we can only speculate. The same goes for add-ons. There are other add-ons than just international appearances. Club appearances, promotion, goals, sell-on fees etc. I'm sure there's probably been some included in the deal but again we can only speculate.

It's sheer laziness on the poster's part that they're unable to grasp this very simple concept yet.

 

[Greggs]

Because sometimes you are buying potential. Not all signings have to be immediate first choices, and over a period they will prove to be a good investment.

Anyway in Sheaf's case he was in the team most of the time last year when fully fit and probably will be next season.

Potentially a very expensive player for league 1

 

[Deleted member 11652]

They really don't at all as the same posters continue to spout rubbish about the Sheaf deal taking up a significant proportion of this year's budget.

Most transfer deals are structured in order to spread out the total cost to ensure it's more affordable for the purchasing club. It's no different to purchasing something on finance except in this instance costs are paid annually instead of monthly.

We have no idea how much the upfront fee is going to be. Again I doubt in terms of hard cash it's going to be the full £750k but we can only speculate. The same goes for add-ons. There are other add-ons than just international appearances. Club appearances, promotion, goals, sell-on fees etc. I'm sure there's probably been some included in the deal but again we can only speculate.

It's sheer laziness on the poster's part that they're unable to grasp this very simple concept yet.

But £750k spread over 3 years is still £750k. It may not be a significant chunk of this budget but it’s taking smaller amounts from 3 different budgets.

We have no idea of the price yeah but we can only comment on what’s been rumoured and given how the source who told us he was signing was the one to state £750k I don’t see why he would be wrong.

In terms of add ons, it’s not going to be goals is it. Appearances probably and promotion I’d be very surprised. Maybe a sell on but why would Arsenal be looking for 10% of say £1m.

People are well within their rights to judge him based on the £750k touted

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

But £750k spread over 3 years is still £750k. It may not be a significant chunk of this budget but it’s taking smaller amounts from 3 different budgets.

We have no idea of the price yeah but we can only comment on what’s been rumoured and given how the source who told us he was signing was the one to state £750k I don’t see why he would be wrong.

In terms of add ons, it’s not going to be goals is it. Appearances probably and promotion I’d be very surprised. Maybe a sell on but why would Arsenal be looking for 10% of say £1m.

People are well within their rights to judge him based on the £750k touted

Put it into context, a player of Hamer’s ability cost 1.5 million. 750k is a drop in the ocean for the player we’re getting.

we’re a stats driven team, like Brentford - his stats put him favourably to Hamer and James. I have no idea what players think We’re going to get for 750k.

 

[Deleted member 11652]

Put it into context, a player of Hamer’s ability cost 1.5 million. 750k is a drop in the ocean for the player we’re getting.

we’re a stats driven team, like Brentford - his stats put him favourably to Hamer and James. I have no idea what players think We’re going to get for 750k.

I’m not disputing that, I like Sheaf and I’m happy we’re signing him. Just fed up of people like @shmmeee throwing insults about when they’re wrong themselves

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

But £750k spread over 3 years is still £750k. It may not be a significant chunk of this budget but it’s taking smaller amounts from 3 different budgets.

We have no idea of the price yeah but we can only comment on what’s been rumoured and given how the source who told us he was signing was the one to state £750k I don’t see why he would be wrong.

In terms of add ons, it’s not going to be goals is it. Appearances probably and promotion I’d be very surprised. Maybe a sell on but why would Arsenal be looking for 10% of say £1m.

People are well within their rights to judge him based on the £750k touted

You're proving my point here. We don't know it's the full £750k. Show me a source that specifically states we're paying £750k in full. How do we know it's not a deal worth up to £750k? Equally, I've not discussed other budgets for other seasons my core issue is with people continuously spouting nonsense about Sheaf taking up this year's budget.

I've not said it was, I was spitballing examples of add-ons. It's not uncommon for Premier League clubs to attach sell-on clauses to their youth players who they've moved on for a fee. Albeit different positions but for instance Newcastle reportedly had a significant sell-on clause for Ivan Toney. Just because they're a Premier League club that doesn't mean they're automatically willing to lose out on revenue - certainly not a club Arsenal who's run by one of the shrewdest owners in the Premier League and certainly not in this current economic climate.