Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (46 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Tell you what im not sure many of you have thought of

They carry on panicking like this then none of us will be going back at the Ricoh again

Higher transmission matters much less if few people end up in hospital

 

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[Deleted member 9744]

It’s the “reduced efficacy after three months post second jab” but that’s worrying me.

April was “second jab month”, which means efficacy will start dropping for the most vulnerable around August time, which is also when the summer lull starts to end. Just hope we can get boosters out I suppose

That is really disappointing. Boosters every three months would be difficult and it seems even with the vaccine the risk is higher than we thought originally.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Higher transmission matters much less if few people end up in hospital

Yea you'd think so and i agree

But its wall to wall fucking bad news this morning. Its never going to end lets face it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That is really disappointing. Boosters every three months would be difficult and it seems even with the vaccine the risk is higher than we thought originally.

Booster trials are happening at the moment so we’ll see how long it’s effective for. As above we are going to suffer thousands of deaths even with a booster programme but it’s down to what society deems tolerable losses

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yea you'd think so and i agree

But its wall to wall fucking bad news this morning. Its never going to end lets face it.

It won’t in a sense (will be around for a while yet if not forever) but think of the scientific strides taken in just 12 months. Sure we’ll learn to live with it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yea you'd think so and i agree

But its wall to wall fucking bad news this morning. Its never going to end lets face it.

I feel better when I look through the data myself and rely less on a generic journo to spin it. They show that vaccination is doing what we want it to in terms of hospitalisation

 

[David O'Day]

The vaccine is still quite high after 3 months if reduced. Out of the 3 things this is the least worrying

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

A few points on my mind.

If the vaccine is tried, tested, and perfectly safe, why are we now only learning that it might only last a few months? I'm not being anti-vaxx, just playing devils advocate because it is a bit weird.

Also, if the vaccine does work, then every time there is a new strain are we going to have this circus, until I'm 80 years old. That means restrictions on travel, football, and everything else. What is the point of the vaccine then? Do we get all our freedoms back when all over 18s have had the jab? Will the goalposts move again?

June 21st I am pretty certain isn't going to happen. International travel has been curbed to pre-empt it, and I don't think they are being honest about that either. The rest of Europe will be travelling around from July 1st, and it feels like we will be throwing our vaccine advantage away. We are 10 weeks ahead of most of those countries, for example.

At some stage we have to learn to live with this otherwise it is going to go on forever and ever.


Really feeling the mood of this board today, fucking fed up.

 

[Saddlebrains]

A few points on my mind.

If the vaccine is tried, tested, and perfectly safe, why are we now only learning that it might only last a few months? I'm not being anti-vaxx, just playing devils advocate because it is a bit weird.

Also, if the vaccine does work, then every time there is a new strain are we going to have this circus, until I'm 80 years old. That means restrictions on travel, football, and everything else. What is the point of the vaccine then? Do we get all our freedoms back when all over 18s have had the jab? Will the goalposts move again?

June 21st I am pretty certain isn't going to happen. International travel has been curbed to pre-empt it, and I don't think they are being honest about that either. The rest of Europe will be travelling around from July 1st, and it feels like we will be throwing our vaccine advantage away. We are 10 weeks ahead of most of those countries, for example.

At some stage we have to learn to live with this otherwise it is going to go on forever and ever.


Really feeling the mood of this board today, fucking fed up.

Cant argue with any of that. And im equally fed up, cannot understand what else we need to do

 

[PVA]

Yes sadly we are throwing our vaccine advantage away because of the fucking idiots running the country and their handling (or lack of) of the Indian variant.

 

[PVA]

My aunt has just tested positive. She's had one jab so far.

Just shows that you think it's all calming down and nothing to worry about but it's very much closer to home than you think

 

[shmmeee]

A few points on my mind.

If the vaccine is tried, tested, and perfectly safe, why are we now only learning that it might only last a few months? I'm not being anti-vaxx, just playing devils advocate because it is a bit weird.

Also, if the vaccine does work, then every time there is a new strain are we going to have this circus, until I'm 80 years old. That means restrictions on travel, football, and everything else. What is the point of the vaccine then? Do we get all our freedoms back when all over 18s have had the jab? Will the goalposts move again?

June 21st I am pretty certain isn't going to happen. International travel has been curbed to pre-empt it, and I don't think they are being honest about that either. The rest of Europe will be travelling around from July 1st, and it feels like we will be throwing our vaccine advantage away. We are 10 weeks ahead of most of those countries, for example.

At some stage we have to learn to live with this otherwise it is going to go on forever and ever.


Really feeling the mood of this board today, fucking fed up.

I think the confusion, much like the “long term effects!!!” stuff is around how vaccines work.

AFAIK (BSB please correct if needed) the vaccine itself is out of your body within a month or so, after that it’s your immune system doing the job. So on side effects it’s not likely to be an issue after a month because there’s no vaccine to cause a side effect left.

On efficacy it’s how long your immune system keeps the antibody levels up I think.

We are only learning this now because it’s only now that we’ve had the Indian variant and people more than three months past their second shot. We always knew length of effect would be a question, that’s why people like my missus have been having antibody tests regularly since before vaccines were even a thing so we can see how long immunity lasts.

 

[shmmeee]

Also on “learn to live with it” people seem to be thinking we just set a number we’re morally OK with and crack on.

It’s a logistics and cost issue having an excessive number of people dying or using the health service. Part of learning to live with 100k deaths a year or whatever would be huge amounts of extra funding to public services just to maintain what we had pre pandemic. And that’s before you factor in lower consumer confidence affecting the economy generally.

Its really not as simple as “bored now let the grannies die”

 

[chiefdave]

What a complete mess this traffic lights system is. There was the survey the other day showing a decent percentage of people going to amber countries weren't going to self isolate on return and now this.

Tui says 50% of passengers booked to go to Portugal with the company in June are still planning on travelling.

The remaining half have amended their dates, it says.

The travel firm is not currently offering cancellations for Portugal trips while the Foreign Office does not advise against travel to the country

If there's restrictions in place enforce them. Seeing government ministers saying its all perfectly clear and you can't go to amber countries on holiday and then seeing pictures on social media of airports at tourist hot spots packed with British tourists surely shows its not working.

 

[PVA]

What a complete mess this traffic lights system is. There was the survey the other day showing a decent percentage of people going to amber countries weren't going to self isolate on return and now this.

If there's restrictions in place enforce them. Seeing government ministers saying its all perfectly clear and you can't go to amber countries on holiday and then seeing pictures on social media of airports at tourist hot spots packed with British tourists surely shows its not working.

Gives them an excuse though doesn't it.

'we put restrictions in place but people still went on holiday so it's their fault we have to delay easing restrictions, not ours'

 

[Sick Boy]

Yea you'd think so and i agree

But its wall to wall fucking bad news this morning. Its never going to end lets face it.

It will end but not until it’s been defeated on a global level.

 

[It’sabatch87]

Gives them an excuse though doesn't it.

'we put restrictions in place but people still went on holiday so it's their fault we have to delay easing restrictions, not ours'

So if they hadn’t put restrictions on you’d still be moaning from the other side of the fence.
You always find the negative in everything.

Do you not give the government any credit or do you think another government would be doing any different or better?

 

[PVA]

So if they hadn’t put restrictions on you’d still be moaning.
Your a barrel of laughs always finding the negative in everything.
Do you not give the government any credit or do you think another government would be doing any different or better?

No. That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying if they are going to put restrictions in place, which they should, then they need to enforce them. Not make them so wishy washy that people can basically do what they like.

It's not difficult to find the negative in the government's handling of the pandemic.

I give them credit for the furlough scheme. That's about it. Everything else has been a fucking disaster.

 

[It’sabatch87]

No. That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying if they are going to put restrictions in place, which they should, then they need to enforce them. Not make them so wishy washy that people can basically do what they like.

It's not difficult to find the negative in the government's handling of the pandemic.

I give them credit for the furlough scheme. That's about it. Everything else has been a fucking disaster.

Fair comment but I still think any government would have been following the science tbh.

 

[David O'Day]

shit for those who work in schools but could worse for society as a whole

 

[David O'Day]

So if they hadn’t put restrictions on you’d still be moaning from the other side of the fence.
You always find the negative in everything.

Do you not give the government any credit or do you think another government would be doing any different or better?

a competent government would of not allowed this variant to seed in the uk so anything now is on them

 

[Skybluefaz]

Sounds like good news

 

[Saddlebrains]

Sounds like good news

Thats the best news I've seen in days

 

[MusicDating]

Interesting fact is that the historical flu vaccine take up rate with over 65s is around 72% each year...

 

[Deleted member 9744]

No. That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying if they are going to put restrictions in place, which they should, then they need to enforce them. Not make them so wishy washy that people can basically do what they like.

It's not difficult to find the negative in the government's handling of the pandemic.

I give them credit for the furlough scheme. That's about it. Everything else has been a fucking disaster.

I understand where you are coming from on this, but the fact is some people are not so well informed and they just follow what the Government and travel industry say, without thinking through the potential problems. In my view the real fault lies with the Government not the individuals who suffer from their incompetence.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think the confusion, much like the “long term effects!!!” stuff is around how vaccines work.

AFAIK (BSB please correct if needed) the vaccine itself is out of your body within a month or so, after that it’s your immune system doing the job. So on side effects it’s not likely to be an issue after a month because there’s no vaccine to cause a side effect left.

On efficacy it’s how long your immune system keeps the antibody levels up I think.

We are only learning this now because it’s only now that we’ve had the Indian variant and people more than three months past their second shot. We always knew length of effect would be a question, that’s why people like my missus have been having antibody tests regularly since before vaccines were even a thing so we can see how long immunity lasts.

Two things happen upon vaccination

First being that masses of antibodies are produced against the antigens the body is exposed to. These on their own are usually enough to suppress an infection, but will not be in the bloodstream forever.

Second is the production of memory cells by the immune system, which stay around for much longer (and are how the childhood jabs you receive e.g. MMR will work). When you get infected some distance down the line these cells go slightly bonkers in producing antibodies in large quantities and at a high rate. As the vaccine programme has only been in effect for 6 months this effect is harder to measure and gather usable data on.

I'll have a look at the longitudinal studies in a bit

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fair comment but I still think any government would have been following the science tbh.

Following the science would have been to shut down travel from India as soon as their variant began to run wild

 

[PVA]

Following the science would have been to shut down travel from India as soon as their variant began to run wild

Careful, Grendel will call you a racist for this.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Careful, Grendel will call you a racist for this.

Another poster has already considered me the most offensive on the site, ahead of even the famous Coventrian

 

[David O'Day]

6,238

 

[jordan210]

This is positive news so far.



I saw a really interesting thread on Indian variant and vaccine. Bacily shows how important it is for the 2nd jab

 

[Johnnythespider]

It’s the “reduced efficacy after three months post second jab” but that’s worrying me.

April was “second jab month”, which means efficacy will start dropping for the most vulnerable around August time, which is also when the summer lull starts to end. Just hope we can get boosters out I suppose

This is why I've left it the full 12 weeks between jabs, get my second next Saturday but was given the chance to change to earlier a couple of weeks ago.
I'd have a jab every month if it beat this thing, would even give it myself like a diabetic does with insulin.

 

[jordan210]

Full thread here. A really interesting and important read

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So basically get your jabs when you are offered them.

 

[Evo1883]

Just done a self test at home , and it's negative .

 

[Sick Boy]

Going to Lampedusa in July and got to do a PCR test to travel - how bad are they?