Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (173 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

Its looking like This Indian variant is more dangerous than previous variants.

That couldn't have been much worse really. Increased transmission, increased risk of hospitalisation and vaccines not as effective.

Going to have to keep a very close eye on things but if increased transmission and hospitalisation are true you have to doubt if we can open up as planned on June 21.

 

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[David O'Day]

That couldn't have been much worse really. Increased transmission, increased risk of hospitalisation and vaccines not as effective.

Going to have to keep a very close eye on things but if increased transmission and hospitalisation are true you have to doubt if we can open up as planned on June 21.

It's the holy trinity of shit news

 

[wingy]

I meant what she said about death & recovery rates

I have found it a bit disappointing that we haven't run the recovered stats on the count sites .

 

[wingy]

The circus continues.

Doing it on purpose to put people off holidays.

This kind of nudge nudge psychology has done my head all the way through .
Just say we can't allow travel abroad without cast iron solid business case,

The Trojan came in nearly two months ago and the current activity is bolting the stable door.
You know the rest.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

My local vaccination centre put a post on Facebook, 116 people have not turned up for their second jab today

Terrible

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I also think it will cause a backlash from people that have been law-abiding so far. Trying to stop them from having a holiday two years in a row is not going to go down well. The naughty list bingo is a joke too.

Also, why would it stop us opening up on June 21st? There is no evidence to suggest people that have been going on holiday to Portugal over the last few weeks have made things worse.

And you know that?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Jesus christ, this is depressing

Absolutely

 

[hill83]

And you know that?

He knows everything m8

 

[wingy]

“Let’s go and cause trouble in eastern green”

Jardine v Prior Deram.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Jardine v Prior Deram.

Green Lane massive, you cannot take all 500 houses plus Finham Park

 

[David O'Day]

He knows everything m8

The Bromsgrove Nostradamus

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Sorry to keep you waiting. The data cited by the government is here if you want to look: Portugal moved to amber list to guard public health against variants of concern following first traffic light review

Maybe that's not good enough for you, and that's fine. But your stance on flights is going to get undermined pretty quickly if you keep looking the other way when it's a place where you might want to go on holiday involved.

That isn't data. You have just copied a link from the government website which is what everyone has been scrutinising all afternoon.

In regards to the no fly list, I have no horse in the Portugal race. I have no desire to go there this year. You are trying to suggest that one should either be 'open all borders' or 'close all borders'. It is possible you know, to be in neither camp. The latter should be applied to places swiftly where there is a serious risk. The former should be applied with common sense where necessary otherwise.

That common sense is something the government lacks, and also some members of the public too.

 

[Saddlebrains]

I've not seen that Oliver Johnson ever post anything positive, unfollowed the c**t

 

[Evo1883]

Jardine v Prior Deram.

Tile hill north and south with tanyard farm as artillery v Alderminster Road

 

[fernandopartridge]

I've not seen that Oliver Johnson ever post anything positive, unfollowed the c**t

Your comprehension is poor. He's very balanced and has tried to present an upside to the delta variant but the evidence is growing that there isn't much to be positive about. He's a mathematical modeller and can only model based on the evidence that is out there.

The vaccination programme hasn't picked up any real pace and is miles off the (pre May election) hints of all adults being done by May or even June at the current rate.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Your comprehension is poor. He's very balanced and has tried to present an upside to the delta variant but the evidence is growing that there isn't much to be positive about. He's a mathematical modeller and can only model based on the evidence that is out there.

The vaccination programme hasn't picked up any real pace and is miles off the (pre May election) hints of all adults being done by May or even June at the current rate.

I think they were banking on receiving millions more doses than they have done combined with needlessly slowing things down with the no AZ for under 40s.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Your comprehension is poor. He's very balanced and has tried to present an upside to the delta variant but the evidence is growing that there isn't much to be positive about. He's a mathematical modeller and can only model based on the evidence that is out there.

The vaccination programme hasn't picked up any real pace and is miles off the (pre May election) hints of all adults being done by May or even June at the current rate.

I couldn't give a shit about comprehension to be honest.


How many times have the goalposts moved? How much longer do we have to do this? 'Sacrifice winter for easter'

'Sacrifice easter for summer'

It's fucking endless lads and if this doesnt make you question what is the fucking point then you're a better man than me

 

[wingy]

I think they were banking on receiving millions more doses than they have done combined with needlessly slowing things down with the no AZ for under 40s.

Hang on and wait for the best one

I'm not making it up when I say it's better am I?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hang on and wait for the best one

I'm not making it up when I say it's better am I?

They are both very good, but denying AZ to the under 40s because of a 1 in 100,000 chance is flipping stupid

 

[David O'Day]

I couldn't give a shit about comprehension to be honest.


How many times have the goalposts moved? How much longer do we have to do this? 'Sacrifice winter for easter'

'Sacrifice easter for summer'

It's fucking endless lads and if this doesnt make you question what is the fucking point then you're a better man than me

It's not the goalposts moving is it fella.

It's people looking at evidence and making decisions based on them and guess what in a pandemic these things can change as the vius can change.

The government didn't actually promise that the world would be back to normal on the 21st did it. It said it planned to lift restrictions but they would have to look at the evidence from each stage before going on to the next stage.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Looking more closely at the data it seems that secondary schools are showing the greatest acceleration in outbreaks. Funny that we were told schools were safe/don't vaccinate the teachers/schools don't transmit. However looking at the 'Delta' cases so far

9,500 cases since start of February
840 went to A + E
Of the 840, 540 had not been vaccinated.
Of the 540, 150 had to stay at least overnight
Of the 150, there were 11 deaths.

 

[SBT]

That isn't data. You have just copied a link from the government website which is what everyone has been scrutinising all afternoon.

In regards to the no fly list, I have no horse in the Portugal race. I have no desire to go there this year. You are trying to suggest that one should either be 'open all borders' or 'close all borders'. It is possible you know, to be in neither camp. The latter should be applied to places swiftly where there is a serious risk. The former should be applied with common sense where necessary otherwise.

That common sense is something the government lacks, and also some members of the public too.

There's data in the link which you might have missed, but hey ho. In fairness you did have to scroll down a bit to find it.

If there's a country that's successfully applied the strategy you claim to support, please tell me more about it. But you can't spend one week frothing about one country's super-infectious variants and then start making excuses for another country with the same issue, because the variant itself certainly won't care.

I think one of the things we learned from last year is that if you keep trying to have it both ways, you run the risk of giving up your gains very quickly. It's not a case of "open all borders" vs "close all borders", more about not trying to carve out every last exception and caveat (holidays, trade ties, CL finals) to try and keep everyone happy all the time.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There's data in the link which you might have missed, but hey ho. In fairness you did have to scroll down a bit to find it.

If there's a country that's successfully applied the strategy you claim to support, please tell me more about it. But you can't spend one week frothing about one country's super-infectious variants and then start making excuses for another country with the same issue, because the variant itself certainly won't care.

I think one of the things we learned from last year is that if you keep trying to have it both ways, you run the risk of giving up your gains very quickly. It's not a case of "open all borders" vs "close all borders", more about not trying to carve out every last exception and caveat (holidays, trade ties, CL finals) to try and keep everyone happy all the time.

Trying not to upset the batshit crazy Modi has backfired big time and it will be those who followed the rules all along who get punished by it. Just hoping beyond hope he doesn't postpone things any more than 3 weeks

 

[David O'Day]

Trying not to upset the batshit crazy Modi has backfired big time and it will be those who followed the rules all along who get punished by it. Just hoping beyond hope he doesn't postpone things any more than 3 weeks

I still think he won't postpone anything as this one is squarely on his shoulders.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I still think he won't postpone anything as this one is squarely on his shoulders.

It definitely is but does he dare test his teflon powers for the dozenth time?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

5274 is not good is it

 

[CCFCSteve]

Looking more closely at the data it seems that secondary schools are showing the greatest acceleration in outbreaks. Funny that we were told schools were safe/don't vaccinate the teachers/schools don't transmit. However looking at the 'Delta' cases so far

9,500 cases since start of February
840 went to A + E
Of the 840, 540 had not been vaccinated.
Of the 540, 150 had to stay at least overnight
Of the 150, there were 11 deaths.

Thanks. Love a bit of covid data analysis. Do we know how many of the 300 vaccinated had to stay at least overnight and unfortunately died BSB ? (Also ages ?)

 

[fernandopartridge]

I couldn't give a shit about comprehension to be honest.


How many times have the goalposts moved? How much longer do we have to do this? 'Sacrifice winter for easter'

'Sacrifice easter for summer'

It's fucking endless lads and if this doesnt make you question what is the fucking point then you're a better man than me

How is Oliver Johnson who is not a member of SAGE or any other government appointed committee moving the goalposts? He's just pointing out some facts. It remains to be seen whether the goalposts will indeed be moved.

If you think about it, overplaying the risk associated with Delta might support successful removal of restrictions on 21 June, in as much as a fair chunk of the population will carry on as they were anyway due to the perceived risk.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

There's data in the link which you might have missed, but hey ho. In fairness you did have to scroll down a bit to find it.

If there's a country that's successfully applied the strategy you claim to support, please tell me more about it. But you can't spend one week frothing about one country's super-infectious variants and then start making excuses for another country with the same issue, because the variant itself certainly won't care.

I think one of the things we learned from last year is that if you keep trying to have it both ways, you run the risk of giving up your gains very quickly. It's not a case of "open all borders" vs "close all borders", more about not trying to carve out every last exception and caveat (holidays, trade ties, CL finals) to try and keep everyone happy all the time.

It doesn't sound like you leave the UK much, so perhaps to you it isn't really an issue.

Your point about 'frothing about one country' isn't as much of an insult as you think it is. You think the way the government handled the India situation was correct? Clearly it wasn't. I don't think you will find many people who disagree with that either. You cannot just throw Portugal in with India, otherwise (despite what you say) it is a 'close all borders' or 'open all borders' situation. Portugal is a completely different animal.

You are trying to infer that one is hypocritical because not wanting flights coming in from India automatically should mean that we shouldn't want flights coming in from anywhere else. It is ridiculous hill to die on, and deflects from the point of Portugal. Again though, you know that. You know it is a pathetic decision to take them off the green list, but it is easier to try and get upset with me than defend it outright.

 

[CCFCSteve]

5274 is not good is it

No, not really. However, I’ve been keeping an eye on PHE covid inpatients (No 6) and whilst it bounces around it did drop today after creeping up the past few days

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/06/COVID-19-daily-admissions-and-beds-20210603-1.xlsx

I’m hoping this supports (and continues to support) the theory that most people going to hospital are younger (or have only had one jab) and they are being treated and are being discharged a lot quicker

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Thanks. Love a bit of covid data analysis. Do we know how many of the 300 vaccinated had to stay at least overnight and unfortunately died BSB ? (Also ages ?)

One dose, less than 21 days:
303 total cases
36 A+E visits
6 overnight stays
0 deaths

One dose, 21 days or more:
1,364 total cases
178 A+E visits
42 overnight stays
3 deaths

Two doses, timeframe unspecified:
267 total cases
30 A+E visits
10 overnight stays
2 deaths

Seems quite apparent from this admittedly not large data set that one dose offers limited protection in the longer term. I might suggest that further acceleration of second doses and an expansion of first doses to all 18+ is what we need

 

[wingy]

Thanks. Love a bit of covid data analysis. Do we know how many of the 300 vaccinated had to stay at least overnight and unfortunately died BSB ? (Also ages ?)

Interesting to extrapolate mortality at roughly one in a thousand , still not nice though,hate to sound so cold when discussing., also ten % (approx or just lower) of those hospitalised .
Sort of similar as in first wave.
Think anecdotally bods on TV are still saying victims are generally old and frail.
Which poses the question it likely that demographic have more than likely had two doses.

 

[fernandopartridge]

One dose, less than 21 days:
303 total cases
36 A+E visits
6 overnight stays
0 deaths

One dose, 21 days or more:
1,364 total cases
178 A+E visits
42 overnight stays
3 deaths

Two doses, timeframe unspecified:
267 total cases
30 A+E visits
10 overnight stays
2 deaths

Seems quite apparent from this admittedly not large data set that one dose offers limited protection in the longer term. I might suggest that further acceleration of second doses and an expansion of first doses to all 18+ is what we need

I read a post on Twitter earlier, there have been some studies into mix dosing AZ / Pfizer which have apparently gone very well

 

[wingy]

I read a post on Twitter earlier, there have been some studies into mix dosing AZ / Pfizer which have apparently gone very well

Hope so,fancy that for my booster come Autumn/ Winter

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Interesting to extrapolate mortality at roughly one in a thousand , still not nice though,hate to sound so cold when discussing., also ten % (approx or just lower) of those hospitalised .
Sort of similar as in first wave.
Think anecdotally bods on TV are still saying victims are generally old and frail.
Which poses the question it likely that demographic have more than likely had two doses.

In terms of NHS burden I think overnight stay is the key marker.