The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (37 Viewers)
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Sick Boy
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Surely you think that Judaism is barbaric as well?
skybluetony176
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I hope you’re not expecting a straight answer to that.
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Some really good posts from Grendel on here. Usual suspects coming out with some very worrying posts that I think the moderators should be looking at personally
skybluetony176
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Are they your younger brothers?
shmmeee
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Yes. Iran forces transition on gays.
And the word is Muslim. In the same way we aren’t a “Christianity country” we’re a Christian country.
shmmeee
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Nah. I think the last few decades have shown human stupidity exists entirely independent from religion.
skybluetony176
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Puffins under threat as European boats overfish in UK waters post Brexit, RSPB warns
Under quota deals which continued through Brexit, sand eels are being taken out of the sea at rates which impact the bird.
Aside from the concern for the Puffins it’s also worth pointing out that that Norway is not an EU country it’s an EEA country but under Boris’ oven ready deal Norway maintained access to our waters but we lost access to Norway’s. Boris Lad!
Ah well,but he would say that wouldn't he ?
"The case for Brexit was built on lies. Five years later, deceit is routine in our politics | Brexit | The Guardian" The case for Brexit was built on lies. Five years later, deceit is routine in our politics | Brexit | The Guardian
"The case for Brexit was built on lies. Five years later, deceit is routine in our politics | Brexit | The Guardian" The case for Brexit was built on lies. Five years later, deceit is routine in our politics | Brexit | The Guardian
Grendel
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Correct - he would say it.
chiefdave
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Its weird. He's not a stupid bloke but seems to have no given this the slightest thought. As an internationally touring band he'll know the restrictions there are in place to tour non-EU countries, and they've been around long enough to remember the days of touring before freedom of movement in the EU.
What was there to suggest things would be any different to how they have turned out? There were industry campaigns warning of exactly this.
Of course it won't really impact him. The cost of work permits will be a relatively small expense to them and the work done by others on his behalf. It's the smaller bands who won't be able to afford the additional cost or have anyone to guide them through the system.
Sky Blue Pete
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Utter rubbish
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Disagree - most wars have a root cause in difference in religion and ideologies.
look at the “war on terror” as the most recent. Christianity itself is constantly at war within what with Catholicism and Protestantism.
the world would be so much better off without religion. To many extreme people believing their holy book is correct.
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Bang on.
COV
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I think religion comes third behind money & politics these day when it comes to what causes wars & conflict
They all do the same thing- create artificial ways to justify how one group of people is not as good as another group & how they need to be punished for it
skybluetony176
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Not even remotely true. The situation in Northern Ireland has nothing to do religion. It’s about loyalty to the British crown (hence loyalists) and loyalty to the Irish republic (hence republicans). The split of loyalists and republicans is more to do with geography than religion. The majority of Protestants are in the province of Ulster and almost exclusively of Scottish Protestant decent, the province being nearest to Scotland so where most landed and then settled. There’s been no shortage of Protestant republicans, most notably Wolfe Tone and one of the founding members of the SDLP was Protestant and the SDLP is and always has been a Republican Party. The republican movement has been littered with Protestants and equally the British army has a long tradition of serving Irish Catholics, more Irish Catholics died fighting with the British army in two world wars (two wars that had nothing to do with religion by the way) than have died fighting for the Republican cause.
Thanks to Brexit Republican ranks are being swollen again with Protestants, especially the younger generation who just want to continue to live in peace, look at the dinosaurs in the DUP, look at the progressive politics in the south and see a brighter future in an united Ireland.
Evo1883
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You could argue his point is partly true .
Ideology
Unionist or Irish nationalist
shmmeee
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Surely more wars have been down to nationalism and resources than religion by quite some distance?
Religion may be a recruiting tool and a justification, but ultimately it’s mostly a land/resource grab historically.
Just going through a “top 10 biggest wars” article I found:
WW2 - not religious
Sino-Japan war - not religious
Qing Dynasty conquest - not religious
Taiping Rebellion - Christians
WW1 - Not religious
An Lushan Rebellion - Not religious
Dungan Revolt - Muslims
Russian Civil War - Not religious
Chinese Civil War - Not religious
Thirty Years War - Catholics and Protestants
Disclaimer: I am not a historian and have just read a sentence on each so may be way off.
Religion may be a recruiting tool and a justification, but ultimately it’s mostly a land/resource grab historically.
Just going through a “top 10 biggest wars” article I found:
WW2 - not religious
Sino-Japan war - not religious
Qing Dynasty conquest - not religious
Taiping Rebellion - Christians
WW1 - Not religious
An Lushan Rebellion - Not religious
Dungan Revolt - Muslims
Russian Civil War - Not religious
Chinese Civil War - Not religious
Thirty Years War - Catholics and Protestants
Disclaimer: I am not a historian and have just read a sentence on each so may be way off.
skybluetony176
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It’s a brief review of Irish history. If you look back the Republican movement was started by prominent Protestants, the original rebel movement was started by prominent Protestants. It only really split down religious lines with the creation of Northern Ireland 100 years ago and that as I point out had more to do with geography making Ulster predominately Protestant than anything else.
COV
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Nationalism is a great point. It is a scourge.
COV
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Don't know enough really to comment
I do know that nationalism is where you stick up for your country no matter what horrendous acts it does, you see nothing wrong ever no matter what and see your country as the best. You'll normally see that when someone points something out that the country has done badly, your typical nationalist will just point at other countries that apparently are much worse.
Thats different from patriotism where you want your country to be the best, but can also see where they're doing something terrible. I'd like to think I'm a patriot, you can never debate a nationalist as they refuse to see anything wrong with anything their country ever does.
Which boat do Scotland fall in?
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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I never mentioned Ireland, that’s a complicated matter in itself.
I stated that Christianity is warring with itself. Something it’s been doing for about 700 years
Sky Blue Pete
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The world would be better without human beings. It’s a human problem not a religion one for me
shmmeee
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Reading a piece on Chesterton’s fence which has this quote and it struck me as quite apt for Brexit:
“Suppose that a great commotion arises in the street about something, let us say a lamp-post, which many influential persons desire to pull down. A grey-clad monk, who is the spirit of the Middle Ages, is approached upon the matter, and begins to say, in the arid manner of the Schoolmen, “Let us first of all consider, my brethren, the value of Light. If Light be in itself good—” At this point he is somewhat excusably knocked down. All the people make a rush for the lamp-post, the lamp-post is down in ten minutes, and they go about congratulating each other on their un-mediaeval practicality. But as things go on they do not work out so easily. Some people have pulled the lamp-post down because they wanted the electric light; some because they wanted old iron; some because they wanted darkness, because their deeds were evil. Some thought it not enough of a lamp-post, some too much; some acted because they wanted to smash municipal machinery; some because they wanted to smash something. And there is war in the night, no man knowing whom he strikes. So, gradually and inevitably, to-day, to-morrow, or the next day, there comes back the conviction that the monk was right after all, and that all depends on what is the philosophy of Light. Only what we might have discussed under the gas-lamp, we now must discuss in the dark.”
“Suppose that a great commotion arises in the street about something, let us say a lamp-post, which many influential persons desire to pull down. A grey-clad monk, who is the spirit of the Middle Ages, is approached upon the matter, and begins to say, in the arid manner of the Schoolmen, “Let us first of all consider, my brethren, the value of Light. If Light be in itself good—” At this point he is somewhat excusably knocked down. All the people make a rush for the lamp-post, the lamp-post is down in ten minutes, and they go about congratulating each other on their un-mediaeval practicality. But as things go on they do not work out so easily. Some people have pulled the lamp-post down because they wanted the electric light; some because they wanted old iron; some because they wanted darkness, because their deeds were evil. Some thought it not enough of a lamp-post, some too much; some acted because they wanted to smash municipal machinery; some because they wanted to smash something. And there is war in the night, no man knowing whom he strikes. So, gradually and inevitably, to-day, to-morrow, or the next day, there comes back the conviction that the monk was right after all, and that all depends on what is the philosophy of Light. Only what we might have discussed under the gas-lamp, we now must discuss in the dark.”
Sky Blue Pete
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Brilliant. Love that people can use our language so well
skybluetony176
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Remember. We hold all the cards.
IIRC the EU did offer a continuation of access for musicians so long as it was reciprocal. At which point it was refused because it “wasn’t taking back control”. Very disingenuous of the disingenuous Frost.
Government calls for stars’ help on post-Brexit EU touring
The Brexit minister asks musicians to put pressure on EU governments to relax touring restrictions.
www.bbc.co.uk
skybluetony176
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So basically the government didn’t understand what they were signing and Arlene Foster is a massive hypocrite. She didn’t even want the GFA.
Brexit: NI Protocol is lawful, High Court rules
Unionist politicians, including Arlene Foster and Lord Trimble, challenged the protocol in a judicial review.
www.bbc.co.uk
skybluetony176
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Never thought of cutting tariffs as a type of state aid before but it’s being tested in court.
www.ft.com