Stop the Thorn bashing!!!! (10 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Still sounds like Tisdale to me, and he can work on a shoestring, too. I think SISU could find a bit of small change from the player sales to find the meagre compensation he'd cost. That or someone who has done well in Scotland? The players and the league might be shite, but the managers know their onions.

I'd say Gary Johnson, but the man simply only does good work in The West Country! I'm mates with a hardcore Yeovil fan, and he thought they were as good as down and Johnson would only make things worse when he went back, given his terrible time at Northampton. Yet within a few weeks he had them playing as good stuff as when he took them to the playoffs last time he was there. This is a team on a BSP budget, looking doomed to relegation, and suddenly they look a top L1 side! That's the sort of manager we need. I'd say John Still of Dagenham for the quite incredible job he's done in taking Dagenham into the league, even getting them into L1 for a season, but I can't see the guy re-locating from London. He's out scouting parks football every night, he wouldn't be able to do that up here, he wouldn't have the contacts.

So..our first two games are against two of the best managers in the country at getting the best out of rubbish players? It's going to be all about organisation, guts and who wants it the most. If we give as much as both those teams and are as well organised, of course, we should win 8 times out of 10... crap.

Very sensible post - can't argue with any of that.

 

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[Nonleagueherewecome]

Fair point but who can we get better then him please someone tell me because right now all the Thorn outters simple haven't said one name who is realistic.

I'm not a "Thorn-outer", just a realist who wants his team to do as well as possible, and I wasn't answering you specifically, but..see above!

 

[gzuz87]

To many questions nobody can answer.
I just want to see us win. Up to now that hasn't been delivered. If you are happy finding excuses and putting up with (possibly) another SHIT season under Thorn, using the cost of wages as one of the reasons to keep him, that's fine. Odd, but fine. I want more.

I want just like you but lets be realistic, the owners haven't spent any money on players, all of them where free. Apparently, the players we have brought in are all on less wages then the ones that have gone out and if they sack Thorn then they will have to spend money to sack him. He has spent i think 800,000 since taking charge on Cody McDonald and that money came from the sale of Ben Turner so let him spend some money on player instead of getting loans and freebies and then we can see how good a manager he is. I haven't heard a pundit say he should be sacked, all I have ever heard is that they feel sorry for Thorn and they know more then any of us the pressure of running a club with no cash.

 

[Grendel]

I want just like you but lets be realistic, the owners haven't spent any money on players, all of them where free. Apparently, the players we have brought in are all on less wages then the ones that have gone out and if they sack Thorn then they will have to spend money to sack him. He has spent i think 800,000 since taking charge on Cody McDonald and that money came from the sale of Ben Turner so let him spend some money on player instead of getting loans and freebies and then we can see how good a manager he is. I haven't heard a pundit say he should be sacked, all I have ever heard is that they feel sorry for Thorn and they know more then any of us the pressure of running a club with no cash.

Name one pundit who has ever said a manager should be sacked.

 

[Nick]

I want just like you but lets be realistic, the owners haven't spent any money on players, all of them where free. Apparently, the players we have brought in are all on less wages then the ones that have gone out and if they sack Thorn then they will have to spend money to sack him. He has spent i think 800,000 since taking charge on Cody McDonald and that money came from the sale of Ben Turner so let him spend some money on player instead of getting loans and freebies and then we can see how good a manager he is. I haven't heard a pundit say he should be sacked, all I have ever heard is that they feel sorry for Thorn and they know more then any of us the pressure of running a club with no cash.

I heard a couple question his tactics and decisions last season....

Surely if he was that good a manager / scout he could build a competitive squad without spending and get the best out of them?

 

[gzuz87]

I'm not a "Thorn-outer", just a realist who wants his team to do as well as possible, and I wasn't answering you specifically, but..see above!

I can't see Gary Johnson coming to Coventry as we have been linked with us many times and each time has said no. Plus Coventry is a team that is renown for sacking managers and look were all the managers have gone after Coventry, Boothroyd went to Northampton, Dowie is a commentator, OK Coleman is manager of Wales but I think he'll struggle there, Adams at Port Vale, Reid has failed since leaving Sunderland. We don't have a good record of successful managers who have left the club and gone to better clubs.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Yeovil now have a GK on a contract for the first time in 3 years. Seriously, we may have a much worse side than last season, but there are clubs in our division who would kill to be able to make signings that we have. Not saying it will be good enough, but it should be good enough for top6 based on budget at least.

 

[Grendel]

I can't see Gary Johnson coming to Coventry as we have been linked with us many times and each time has said no. Plus Coventry is a team that is renown for sacking managers and look were all the managers have gone after Coventry, Boothroyd went to Northampton, Dowie is a commentator, OK Coleman is manager of Wales but I think he'll struggle there, Adams at Port Vale, Reid has failed since leaving Sunderland. We don't have a good record of successful managers who have left the club and gone to better clubs.

And that will continue once we rid ourselves of the Curse of The Clueless One as he will be going nowhere else that is for sure.

 

[hill83]

For me, there was several times last season where another manager, can't say who, just a better manager. With a bit more tactical nous, would have seen us turn taking the lead into 3 points, and stopped us leaking late goals. Seeing out a draw instead of losing. Got us pushing for second goals rather than sitting on 1 nils. Having a plan B. I beleive we had the players capable of getting 10 more points at least, last season. I'm willing to give Thorn a chance with his own squad, albeit cheap and cobbled together. But I think we can do better.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I can't see Gary Johnson coming to Coventry as we have been linked with us many times and each time has said no. Plus Coventry is a team that is renown for sacking managers and look were all the managers have gone after Coventry, Boothroyd went to Northampton, Dowie is a commentator, OK Coleman is manager of Wales but I think he'll struggle there, Adams at Port Vale, Reid has failed since leaving Sunderland. We don't have a good record of successful managers who have left the club and gone to better clubs.

Just because all of our recent appointments have been crap, doesn't mean we give up and assume they all will be. By this logic, we'd have stuck with Don Mackay and never won the cup, y'know? Norwich found Lambert, Burnley found Coyle, Millwall found Jackett, etc. Why can't we? Yeah, SISU are as likely to find a diamond in the rough as I am to find a vagina in the small of my back, but you never know!

 

[dongonzalos]

One thing that is a pattern is a lot of the people who dont want thorn sacked and do want him to stay are the hardcore sisu outters!!

Yes I agree, I fitted into that category until this summer. I felt in thorn we finally potentially had a very good young manager. I thought we could step away from the cycle of not giving managers enough time and try and get some stability that our club badly needs.
I was judging thorn by his first ten games. The transformation I saw and the players he had previously recommended.

Then sisu sold or released our best players. Which I understood, however what I struggled with was they were not replaced with freebies or cheaper options.

Hence our relegation and my dislike of SISU. Also my inability to judge AT on that season.

This season they may have learnt their lessons. We have nearly replaced what we have lost. We are two short.

My hate for sisu has gone down a notch and I am setting targets in my head for AT.

 

[gzuz87]

I heard a couple question his tactics and decisions last season....

Surely if he was that good a manager / scout he could build a competitive squad without spending and get the best out of them?

He brought in four players last year, we lost over 10. Hreiderson got injuried after two games, Nimely and Norwood will both play in the championship next year and Cody was the other. For what he signed last year, it wasn't that bad. Who he tried to sign this year James Collins but SISU hadn't filed the accounts by then. The rest of his signing haven't played a competitive game yet so his signings as you say haven't been terrible. Although I'm guessing people will say well we should be signing Lionel Messi and then when he plays crap for Coventry people will then say Thorn hasn't got a clue how to spot a good player.

 

[gzuz87]

Also I don't think the squad was good enough anyway last year so tactics really didn't matter i think the writing was on the wall from the start of the season.

 

[Grendel]

He brought in four players last year, we lost over 10. Hreiderson got injuried after two games, Nimely and Norwood will both play in the championship next year and Cody was the other. For what he signed last year, it wasn't that bad. Who he tried to sign this year James Collins but SISU hadn't filed the accounts by then. The rest of his signing haven't played a competitive game yet so his signings as you say haven't been terrible. Although I'm guessing people will say well we should be signing Lionel Messi and then when he plays crap for Coventry people will then say Thorn hasn't got a clue how to spot a good player.

Thorn is on borrowed time. Look at the venom on here just for a friendly. Imagine a similar score at Yeovil - then managerial reality will set in.

 

[Nick]

He brought in four players last year, we lost over 10. Hreiderson got injuried after two games, Nimely and Norwood will both play in the championship next year and Cody was the other. For what he signed last year, it wasn't that bad. Who he tried to sign this year James Collins but SISU hadn't filed the accounts by then. The rest of his signing haven't played a competitive game yet so his signings as you say haven't been terrible. Although I'm guessing people will say well we should be signing Lionel Messi and then when he plays crap for Coventry people will then say Thorn hasn't got a clue how to spot a good player.

So tactically what makes him a good manager?

 

[hill83]

Also I don't think the squad was good enough anyway last year so tactics really didn't matter i think the writing was on the wall from the start of the season.

I apologise for disagreeing with you again, but of course tactics mattered! Shine a light!

 

[Nick]

Also I don't think the squad was good enough anyway last year so tactics really didn't matter i think the writing was on the wall from the start of the season.

Of course tactics matter, whether it is on a park on a sunday or in our league! Andy morrell had a weaker squad tonight and look what happened?

 

[lordsummerisle]

I apologise for disagreeing with you again, but of course tactics mattered! Shine a light!

More than ever I'd have thought if the players weren't very good?

 

[Nick]

Thorn is on borrowed time. Look at the venom on here just for a friendly. Imagine a similar score at Yeovil - then managerial reality will set in.

It is not just here, gmk also!

 

[dongonzalos]

I know, weird isn't it??

Why is it weird?

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Yes I agree, I fitted into that category until this summer. I felt in thorn we finally potentially had a very good young manager. I thought we could step away from the cycle of not giving managers enough time and try and get some stability that our club badly needs.
I was judging thorn by his first ten games. The transformation I saw and the players he had previously recommended.

Then sisu sold or released our best players. Which I understood, however what I struggled with was they were not replaced with freebies or cheaper options.

Hence our relegation and my dislike of SISU. Also my inability to judge AT on that season.

This season they may have learnt their lessons. We have nearly replaced what we have lost. We are two short.

My hate for sisu has gone down a notch and I am setting targets in my head for AT.

Agreed but I still think they've done it wrong: for me it would have been keep Gael and Keogh and add a few, not a lot, and the high turnover of players inevitably means we'll have signed some duffs. I'll let you guess who I think they'll be!

As it goes, I think the lack of familiarity for players is in any case going to prove as much of an obstacle as anything. But with the depth and relative quality to the rest of L1, I'm like you in that I'm judging the gaffer anew this season. If it doesn't work, we have to think about making a change. Charlton got through a few managers before they hit the mother-lode with Powell.

Other than that-well, of course, it might all be OK yet. At least Bruno scored tonight!

 

[hill83]

Now we are in division three it'll be no holds barred from the majority of us. We got used to relegation battles in the prem. then the championship, so by the time Thorn took the helm and ballsed it up we were used to it.
Well not now, we are certainly not used to division 3.

 

[gzuz87]

I apologise for disagreeing with you again, but of course tactics mattered! Shine a light!

Yes tactics do matter but so does quality and if you haven't got the quality then tactics will only get you so far.

I understand people have got their own views but I you add everything up all the teams we played last season who said we were a tough team to play but couldn't score against the team who we played and we were destroyed by then i think that Thorns tactics weren't as bad. Weren't perfect but weren't terrible.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Why is it weird?

Sisu appointed him, Sisu still haven't sacked him, done exactly what the pro-Thorn people want.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Although I'm guessing people will say well we should be signing Lionel Messi and then when he plays crap for Coventry people will then say Thorn hasn't got a clue how to spot a good player.

Having seen what Baker did at Stockport, I'm sure Messi would be crap for us. We'd play him as a target for high balls most probably...

 

[lordsummerisle]

Yes tactics do matter but so does quality and if you haven't got the quality then tactics will only get you so far.

I understand people have got their own views but I you add everything up all the teams we played last season who said we were a tough team to play but couldn't score against the team who we played and we were destroyed by then i think that Thorns tactics weren't as bad. Weren't perfect but weren't terrible.

That's because our tactic was to pass the ball to each other within our own half and then...

Nope, that was it, pass it to each other in our own half.

 

[Nick]

Yes tactics do matter but so does quality and if you haven't got the quality then tactics will only get you so far.

I understand people have got their own views but I you add everything up all the teams we played last season who said we were a tough team to play but couldn't score against the team who we played and we were destroyed by then i think that Thorns tactics weren't as bad. Weren't perfect but weren't terrible.

If you havent got the quality you should have the tactics and game plan to make up for it!

Yes teams said we were tough, just after they had beaten us....

Thorns tactics at forest and leicester were shocking to name a couple.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Thorn is on borrowed time. Look at the venom on here just for a friendly. Imagine a similar score at Yeovil - then managerial reality will set in.

Can you imagine what it would have been like for Wee Gordon if the 'net had been big when the Grimsby game happened?

 

[gzuz87]

That's because our tactic was to pass the ball to each other within our own half and then...

Nope, that was it, pass it to each other in our own half.

Doesn't that tell you that the strikers weren't making the right moves to receive the ball higher up the pitch. Come on lets talk tactics. If all we did was pass then surely we should have tired teams down and then been able to find that killer pass. And because Sammy Clingan was always passing it sideways that makes Thorn a bad manager because Clingan couldn't play it forward. Look at the bench and what has he got on there to change a game. Every manager makes tactical mistake look at United against City at Old Trafford. Coventry haven't got the quality that most teams in the Championship have that why they are where they are.

 

[Grendel]

Can you imagine what it would have been like for Wee Gordon if the 'net had been big when the Grimsby game happened?

Police escort - got nasty then. Won't be like that now. There's a much smaller crowd now and a bigger ground but I am genuinely and honestly amazed that people want a manager sacked after a friendly, not me of course I've wanted him sacked since September!!

 

[Nick]

Doesn't that tell you that the strikers weren't making the right moves to receive the ball higher up the pitch. Come on lets talk tactics. If all we did was pass then surely we should have tired teams down and then been able to find that killer pass. And because Sammy Clingan was always passing it sideways that makes Thorn a bad manager because Clingan couldn't play it forward. Look at the bench and what has he got on there to change a game. Every manager makes tactical mistake look at United against City at Old Trafford. Coventry haven't got the quality that most teams in the Championship have that why they are where they are.

So if we didnt have the players to play it, surely it is the wrong tactic?

Man utd vs us was one game, not a season!

How often did we lose leads? Why did we never win an away game?

Do you 100% think none of that blame is thorns?

Is bringing eastwood on against forest just as we go 2 down a master plan? Surely at 1-0 we should have gone for it!!

 

[gzuz87]

If you havent got the quality you should have the tactics and game plan to make up for it!

Yes teams said we were tough, just after they had beaten us....

Thorns tactics at forest and leicester were shocking to name a couple.

Leicester were favorites to go up at the start of the season, they had a quality and majorly underachieved last year as did Forest. But put both team sheets next to each other and I can pretty much say at least 9 of their players could walk into Coventrys team.

But lets cross this bridge when the season starts give Thorn a break. I mean if we beat Accrington Stanley on Saturday are you all going to talk about how great Thorn is then and how we can win the League.

 

[hill83]

I'm calling WUM

Using 'they' to describe Coventry City rather than 'us'.
Contradicted themselves several times.
Mentioned Man Utd more than once.

Good work though.

 

[Nick]

Leicester were favorites to go up at the start of the season, they had a quality and majorly underachieved last year as did Forest. But put both team sheets next to each other and I can pretty much say at least 9 of their players could walk into Coventrys team.

But lets cross this bridge when the season starts give Thorn a break. I mean if we beat Accrington Stanley on Saturday are you all going to talk about how great Thorn is then and how we can win the League.

What has forests team sheet got to do with subs that thorn makes?

What about blackpool and ipswich where we were winning and everybody in the ground knew we were going to lose?

What do you think makes thorn a good manager?

 

[lordsummerisle]

I'm calling WUM

Using 'they' to describe Coventry City rather than 'us'.
Contradicted themselves several times.
Mentioned Man Utd more than once.

Good work though.

Good call, but several on here you'd imagine to be on the wind up are perfectly serious.