fernandopartridge
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The vaccine sceptics will make up a disproportionate number of the deaths from here on, they'll no doubt claim it's a conspiracy
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skybluetony176
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Unfortunately unless one of the high profile sceptics get it and is repentant on their death bed cases like these are going to keep coming.
Evo1883
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Left wing people sounding very right wing 
stop it you're more confused than scooby doo
Educate , urge , reassure ...never force
We've done this before anyway so I'm not doing again
Some people I wouldn't want round my children with power that's for sure
You'd have alot of explaining to do if something went wrong ... wouldn't you really
Let's stop this " forced vaccine" nonsense
stop it you're more confused than scooby dooEducate , urge , reassure ...never force
We've done this before anyway so I'm not doing again
Some people I wouldn't want round my children with power that's for sure
You'd have alot of explaining to do if something went wrong ... wouldn't you really
Let's stop this " forced vaccine" nonsense
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clint van damme
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Left wing people sounding very right wing
Educate , urge , reassure ...never force
We've done this before anyway so I'm not doing again
Some people I wouldn't want round my children with power that's for sure
You'd have alot of explaining to do if something went wrong ... wouldn't you really
While I agree with your general argument these people do need educating.
Have you seen the arguments they're putting forward for not having it? Absolutely bonkers.
Edit- that's what you were getting, read it wrong, apologies.
Look at some of the stuff the family of the clown who died mentioned in the posts above have said he was into.
Evo1883
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They are absolutely bonkers yes , the problem is if you take the choice away from them and then they have an adverse reaction and die ...who pays for that ... as rare as it may be there are still a few thousand dead around the world .
People are not just disposable for the greater good , without them agreeing to the risk and doing what they choose to do.
You've got to have consent
skybluetony176
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And they do have to keep inventing them. I have a mate who’s into them and he’ll say he’s not getting the vaccine because of “X”, that gets debunked so it’s now because of “Y”. A couple of months ago he came out with the line it killed most of the animals it was tested on so I pointed out to him that’s what they do in animal testing, test the subject until destruction. I sent him a load of stuff from animal rights charities explaining how they sedate the subject, cut them open and watch what happens to organs while they keep increasing the dose until they die, they want to see what effects it has on their organs etc, what are the breaking points. Even then when whatever they’re testing doesn’t kill them the procedure of being cut open and left open can or they simply put them to sleep at the end of the procedure. So he goes away and thinks about it then comes back with something else a couple of weeks later. His last one was synthetic acid, they put synthetic acid in the vaccine and it’s toxic. So I google synthetic acids and they’re in everything, from alcoholic beverages to processed food to even the vinegar you put on your chips. Send him that and he’ll be back again with something else. There’s no line in the sand with some of these people. One line gets dismissed they draw a new one, repeat repeat repeat. He started out as a Covid denier, then him and his Mrs got it, his Mrs even has long Covid. That conspiracy theory is dismissed so it’s on to the next one, anti-vax. I think some people just can’t admit that they were wrong so if they can cling onto a thread of they were right in some way they’re still right. In their mind.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You give them the choice to not have it > they go out and get infected > they go to hospital and either die or take up a bed and resources
You give them the choice to not have it > they go out and get infected > they infect others who also chose not to have it > they go to hospital and either die or take up a bed and resources
The self inflicted stupidity is fine up to the point where it impacts on everyone else. You’re also conflating being right wing with being authoritarian
But People are disposable Via the escape from the vaccine continued onward transmission post vaccine and vaccine deniers.
Then there are the folks who die because the hospital's are choked up with this instead of dealing with regular severe conditions.
Edit:+ I think they are somehow in this que.
Evo1883
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Not conflating at all , I said left wing people basically acting very authoritarian , which is by definition weird right ?
Grendel
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i think they term it national socialism
How about just doing what is best societally like the huge majority of humans,one to another.
Evo1883
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I agree , educate people , urge people , don't force them
Yes I agree, I just want to understand the mindsets.
Evo1883
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Brighton Sky Blue
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No because authoritarian/libertarian is distinct from left and right.
shmmeee
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That’s happened multiple times and still hasn’t touched the sides.
shmmeee
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Not entirely, right wing is generally a libertarian take on economics (leave it all alone and let the market work it out as individuals know their circumstances best), left wing is authoritarian (people need taxing and money spending on group priorities).
shmmeee
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Who is suggesting forcing anyone?
No one has to work in healthcare or with vulnerable populations.
When I started teaching I was told by my school to remove my tongue piericing and my parter to remove her dyed hair. We could have chosen another school or another career but decided we wanted to work their more than we wanted to keep our styles. Totally our choice, no force involved.
Evo1883
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You have on more than one occasion suggested taking people's freedoms off them if they refuse ..no different in my eyes
You also argued for mandatory vaccines on here which is exactly the same
But they already are, have been
Take travel for instance.
Or trying to demand home workers return to the office
Evo1883
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to be fair with travel we have to assume that we can't dictate what other countries want to do can we ?
We will NEVER get to a point of 100% adult vaccination
What we going to do, take their freedoms forever ?
Evo1883
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We are actually really arguing about something that really hasn't happened..
The minute you can't enter shops , bars , entertainment venues without a vaccine ..then we will talk .
And let's be honest , there's huge money being made from people going abroad and having tests beforehand .. that's morally bankrupt in itself
The minute you can't enter shops , bars , entertainment venues without a vaccine ..then we will talk .
And let's be honest , there's huge money being made from people going abroad and having tests beforehand .. that's morally bankrupt in itself
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I remember being told that if I didn't like people not wearing a mask on a train, to not take a train then. That's dictating to *me* what to do, so I'm assuming that's *not* OK either, then?
Evo1883
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Well what should happen ? If the current rules state you have to wear a mask then I'm assuming everybody will have to mask up .
If not then you can only look after yourself surely , assess the risk , sit away from people , protect yourself ..
You also have the added knowledge that probably over 50/60% of people on that train or more have been jabbed
In my current situation my missus can have covid but because I'm double jabbed I have to go to work .. in itself that's crazy but it is the rules with my work
Grendel
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Also given that Scotland is now the hotspot of infections and insists on mask wearing if I was than concerned I’d question the ability it has to prevent infection
As an aside surely the rest of the U.K. must put Scotland now on the red zone and bam it’s inhabitants from crossing the border?
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So, if the rules change to insist on a vaccination to go to a pub, then happy days eh, as that'll be the rules and that's what people will do. It'd make it a lot more relaxed for me to go to a pub like that too... rather than having my liberties restricted by loons who decide they know better than public health experts.
Funny how freedom, and liberties, chime with what individuals want and they're happy to stamp over others' freedoms and liberties, if they have a different perspective...
Brighton Sky Blue
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Hitler and Stalin
Didn't the Euros start Scotland's problem, don't think that was around mask wearing as it was next to non existent , then they're back at school for the last fortnight .
I've no real info on just how effective a mask is, but suspect it's a low% and possibly as much about reassurance.
hill83
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Fun and sunshine, there's enough for everyone
Evo1883
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Yes because putting a mask on , on a train is the same as being forced to inject something into your body to be able to buy groceries .. exactly the same thing
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There are enough academic journal articles about how it slows transmission. Back in those happy days when it looked like all restrictions would go, before I'd had a vaccine, it was suck it up from a certain section of society. I'd sincerely hope that isn't going to be the same section now crying because they might have to suck up getting a vaccine to do certain things.
Liberties don't sit away from social responsibility, as to do so will inevitably restrict liberties elsewhere.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I made a comparison to brexit on here previously and got laughed at, but the sentiment is the same in some ways. If you try and frighten or force people into a way of thinking, it won't work. There is no denying there is a push on 'he died from covid and refused the vaccine' stories at the moment.
The reality is, the anti-vaxx mindset and being skeptical of the covid jab are two different things. It is therefore appropriate to reassure those people who are in the latter category into making an informed decision on getting the vaccine. I've seen and heard a few cases of people saying that people who haven't had the jab can die for all they are concerned and that's pretty sick too.
Just my opinion of course, but I think if we approached it a little different, there would be a surge in uptake.
