Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (138 Viewers)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. Why are you starting from the hypothesis that reduction in symptomatic infection doesn’t lead to reduction in transmission?

I am just saying I am sceptical on the effect on the vaccine on transmission. Nothing anyone has posted or stated has done anything to alleviate that. I am not saying it is wrong, I am just saying that is my take on things. I would love to be proved that the vaccine reduced transmission by like 50% or whatever, and I think if it could be proved, more people would take the vaccine.

 

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[Grendel]

I am just saying I am sceptical on the effect on the vaccine on transmission. Nothing anyone has posted or stated has done anything to alleviate that. I am not saying it is wrong, I am just saying that is my take on things. I would love to be proved that the vaccine reduced transmission by like 50% or whatever, and I think if it could be proved, more people would take the vaccine.

Study ties COVID vaccines to lower transmission rates

www.cidrap.umn.edu

In the BMJ

Covid-19: One dose of vaccine cuts risk of passing on infection by as much as 50%, research shows

Adults infected with covid-19 three weeks after receiving one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were 38-49% less likely to pass the virus on to their household contacts than people who were unvaccinated, a preprint released by Public Health England has shown.1 The...

www.bmj.com

 

[shmmeee]

I am just saying I am sceptical on the effect on the vaccine on transmission. Nothing anyone has posted or stated has done anything to alleviate that. I am not saying it is wrong, I am just saying that is my take on things. I would love to be proved that the vaccine reduced transmission by like 50% or whatever, and I think if it could be proved, more people would take the vaccine.

But why are you sceptical? It makes sense to me: viral load determines both severity of illness and transmissibility, the vaccine clearly reduces severity of illness so it follows that transmissibility would reduce as well.

I can’t think of a vaccine that doesn’t reduce transmissibility. So there’s have to be something weird with COVID for it not to behave like that.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

But why are you sceptical? It makes sense to me: viral load determines both severity of illness and transmissibility, the vaccine clearly reduces severity of illness so it follows that transmissibility would reduce as well.

I can’t think of a vaccine that doesn’t reduce transmissibility. So there’s have to be something weird with COVID for it not to behave like that.

As I said, it is down to information really, and the fact that we are still in the early stages. It is unique this pandemic and the vaccine is new.

I follow your school of thought and I would assume that is correct, it seems what G posted is along those lines at least.

I think more to the point - why do I have to go on a CCFC forum to try and get that information. If this information is correct then it needs to be put out there. It will really help with the uptake in those people who are in the age ranges were the vaccine and pandemic doesn't particularly affect them otherwise.

 

[chiefdave]

But why are you sceptical? It makes sense to me: viral load determines both severity of illness and transmissibility, the vaccine clearly reduces severity of illness so it follows that transmissibility would reduce as well.

I can’t think of a vaccine that doesn’t reduce transmissibility. So there’s have to be something weird with COVID for it not to behave like that.

Think people are coming to this conclusion from an early study that showed that when taking nasal swabs from test subjects those who were vaccinated and positive showed similar results to those who weren't vaccinated and positive however the study didn't replicate real world conditions. It was similar to when everyone started washing their shopping and quarantining their post based off an early lab based paper.

In real world conditions it seems the vaccinated have lower viral load and are also infectious for a shorter space of time.

 

[Evo1883]

Pfizer trialling jab for 5-11 year olds as we speak according to sky news

 

[Skybluefaz]

more to the point - why do I have to go on a CCFC forum to try and get that information

You don't. You choose to.

 

[clint van damme]

As I said, there seems to be a lack of studies that I could find at least. That's why I asked.

The ones you posted hardly cover the positive in glory though do they?

At least there's plenty of encouraging data on vacinnes reducing the severity Of the virus though nothings guranteed unfortunately.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You don't. You choose to.

Well, just think of all those people that don't choose to.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Well, just think of all those people that don't choose to.

What do you mean? Don't choose to find out at all. Or don't come on skybluestalk.co.uk to find out about coronavirus research. To be fair to you I do go on pornhub purely to pick up plumbing tips.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What do you mean? Don't choose to find out at all. Or don't come on skybluestalk.co.uk to find out about coronavirus research. To be fair to you I do go on pornhub purely to pick up plumbing tips.

I could understand you going on pornhub for plumbing tips if you had a leak and couldn't find the right information anywhere.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I could understand you going on pornhub for plumbing tips if you had a leak and couldn't find the right information anywhere.

You'd be amazed how often that happens

 

[shmmeee]

SkyBluesTalk is where Wikipedia copies its homework from. No finer resource on all of the net, experts on everything here.

 

[Liquid Gold]

The band Kaiser Chiefs have been cancelled by the nutters for doing a shout out to vaccines at their Isle of Wight set.

Thoroughly normal people.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The band Kaiser Chiefs have been cancelled by the nutters for doing a shout out to vaccines at their Isle of Wight set.

Thoroughly normal people.

Reading the reports, he didn't actually say anything either, just everyone decided to boo rather than cheer.

 

[wingy]

The band Kaiser Chiefs have been cancelled by the nutters for doing a shout out to vaccines at their Isle of Wight set.

Thoroughly normal people.

Did they do No hope or A lack of understanding?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Was there a riot...and if so, did anyone foresee such an event?

 

[Skybluefaz]

The band Kaiser Chiefs have been cancelled by the nutters for doing a shout out to vaccines at their Isle of Wight set.

Thoroughly normal people.

Can only imagine what The Vaccines are going through at the moment.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well, I am very glad that it satisfies your curiosity. That's good.

Unfortunately for me I don't feel the same way.

Transmission is reduced by a statistically significant amount, that much we are sure of and really that should be enough.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Can only imagine what The Vaccines are going through at the moment.

Post Fake Jab Sex

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What do you mean? Don't choose to find out at all. Or don't come on skybluestalk.co.uk to find out about coronavirus research. To be fair to you I do go on pornhub purely to pick up plumbing tips.

Their advise is rubbish. I spent an hour furiously banging the missus over the washing machine and at the end the tap was still leaking.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Their advise is rubbish. I spent an hour furiously banging the missus over the washing machine and at the end the tap was still leaking.

I get that sometimes.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I get that sometimes.

Old age, innit.

 

[Sick Boy]

I am just saying I am sceptical on the effect on the vaccine on transmission. Nothing anyone has posted or stated has done anything to alleviate that. I am not saying it is wrong, I am just saying that is my take on things. I would love to be proved that the vaccine reduced transmission by like 50% or whatever, and I think if it could be proved, more people would take the vaccine.

The overwhelming majority of people are taking the vaccine, many of those who aren’t won’t take it regardless of the evidence that’s put in front of them.

 

[Sick Boy]

I won't take it (yet) BECAUSE of the evidence put in front of me.

What do you think it is that has kept the death toll so low despite the relatively high number of cases in the UK? What evidence in particular is putting you off?

 

[skybluetony176]

I actually think the figures may have been wrong in the first place.

You think they’re too low? The evidence in front of you suggests that is probably the case.

 

[skybluetony176]

I thought overall figures were probably correct at the beginning, maybe a little bit exaggerated, a lot of elderly people died around that time. But I think, right now, Covid deaths are miscalculated.

Try telling that to the families that have lost loved ones and those that continue to lose loved ones. There is zero evidence to not get the jab and mounting evidence to get it, unless you can’t have it for medical reasons. It’s not just to protect you it’s to protect everyone around you, many of who either can’t have it or the vaccine doesn’t work for them either for efficacy reasons or again medical reasons. We need almost 100% of the adult population to get the vaccine and achieve herd immunity. You are part of the minority refusing the vaccine so therefore part of the ongoing problem of Covid. The reason I’m now having to consider getting my children vaccinated is because of people like you. Grow the fuck up and get the vaccine.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes, I've heard all that before, (grow up etc) maybe we read different media. IMO, there is plenty of evidence to make me think twice about taking a vaccine and the evidence I read about why I SHOULD get the vaccine is unconvincing. I would definitely advise against my grand children (five and nine y.o) getting a vaccine. Until there is CONCLUSIVE evidence, and evidence that all professors who were discredited were actually wrong, and all trials pointing toward the probability that vaccinated people are more likely to catch Delta, and require much more serious treatment than people who had developed natural immunity, then I'll stick to the decision that protects MY family, not yours.

Media? You think I listen to the media. I do read the peer proven evidence and because I’ve got a mate with your mentality who likes to ring me and tell the latest conspiracy theory as to why I shouldn’t have got the vaccine and why he’s right to not get it I’ve very easily dismissed most if not all of the conspiracy theories.

I’ll tell you what, give me just one piece of your “evidence” and I’ll debunk it for you. After all I’ve probably already debunked it from my mate.

 

[shmmeee]

Yes, I've heard all that before, (grow up etc) maybe we read different media. IMO, there is plenty of evidence to make me think twice about taking a vaccine and the evidence I read about why I SHOULD get the vaccine is unconvincing. I would definitely advise against my grand children (five and nine y.o) getting a vaccine. Until there is CONCLUSIVE evidence, and evidence that all professors who were discredited were actually wrong, and all trials pointing toward the probability that vaccinated people are more likely to catch Delta, and require much more serious treatment than people who had developed natural immunity, then I'll stick to the decision that protects MY family, not yours.

Absolute fruitcake.

We had your sort in the 1900s as well you know.


Tag yourself. I’m Mr Careless.

 

[COV]

I thought overall figures were probably correct at the beginning, maybe a little bit exaggerated, a lot of elderly people died around that time. But I think, right now, Covid deaths are miscalculated.

You think they're not really dead or something?

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes, I've heard all that before, (grow up etc) maybe we read different media. IMO, there is plenty of evidence to make me think twice about taking a vaccine and the evidence I read about why I SHOULD get the vaccine is unconvincing. I would definitely advise against my grand children (five and nine y.o) getting a vaccine. Until there is CONCLUSIVE evidence, and evidence that all professors who were discredited were actually wrong, and all trials pointing toward the probability that vaccinated people are more likely to catch Delta, and require much more serious treatment than people who had developed natural immunity, then I'll stick to the decision that protects MY family, not yours.

Just to add. If your grandchildren do end up having it that’s on you. You have the opportunity to get the vaccine meaning you are helping the country reach herd immunity and your grandchildren won’t have to have it. If you want to protect your grandchildren from not only Covid but also getting the vaccine get the vaccine yourself. It’s as simple as that.

 

[COV]

“As we prevent three deaths by vaccinating, we incur two deaths” Robert Mallone

That would be Robert Mallone who was criticised for spreading misinformation about the efficacy and safety of vaccinations, whose research was based on a botched sentence in a magazine article which was later deleted, who's friends with Steve Bannon?

 

[COV]

one piece of your “evidence"

"Pfizer vaccine does not work" scientific director of Pfizer Michael Yeadon

That would be Michael Yeadon who has atttracted widespread criticism for spreading unfounded & provably false claims about COVID and the COVID vaccine, and who has had pretty much all of his statements publicly debunked? Who said there would be no second wave in October 2020, and who said that "healthy people cannot transmit COVID?"

Who do you get your financial advice from, Boris Becker?

 

[chiefdave]

one piece of your “evidence"

"Pfizer vaccine does not work" scientific director of Pfizer Michael Yeadon

Fact Check-Fact check: Ex-Pfizer scientist repeats COVID-19 vaccine misinformation in recorded speech

A former Pfizer scientist turned anti-vax proponent has made unfounded claims about the novel coronavirus in videos of a speech he gave that have been posted on social media.

www.reuters.com

 

[chiefdave]

Out of interest if you don't trust the experts and the science why do you believe someone like Yeadon?