Do you want to discuss boring politics? (193 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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Terrible news
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Maybe but we don't know yet what the circumstances are as far as I am aware
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tbf, most of the ones in the latest are exactly as they should be - that politics is irrelevant atm, and people deserve to be safe in their place of work.
Evo1883
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chiefdave
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What a horrific thing to happen. RIP.
I don't know what the answer is but we need to dial things down. From the top down its now all about defending your chosen stance no matter what with no room for debate. We need to move away from cheap point scoring & looking to catch people out and somehow try and bring the people of the country together.
I replied to your original post before I saw he'd tragically died and almost made a comment that people would be trawling social media looking for posts liked by the scum bag who stabbed him to use as 'proof' of their point of view but hoped people wouldn't sink that low, I was obviously wrong.
shmmeee
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I must have a well curated Twitter because mine is unanimously sad and outraged.
Evo1883
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I don't have a twitter account, I actually look at trending then click the trends to view through twitter search.
I usually use it for football related stuff and trends, and coventry city and coventry fans pictures / videos
Angela rayner is getting it in the neck right now tbh
Philosoraptor
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From the Independent
"Counter-terror police are involved in the early investigation into the stabbing and are working to establish the potential motivation.
There has not yet been any confirmation of whether the incident is being considered terror-related."
"Counter-terror police are involved in the early investigation into the stabbing and are working to establish the potential motivation.
There has not yet been any confirmation of whether the incident is being considered terror-related."
shmmeee
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The place I’ve come to over time from a strongly libertarian starting point, and it sounds scarily like Loki in the first Avengers is that people need some level of authority, at least in media and information terms.
We are spectacularly bad at interpreting information and have a whole load of neural shortcuts that, aside from a weird bug with cat pictures, all seem to trend to a nasty place.
Without controls the most effective and efficient route to success online or in politics (which is basically online too now) is to tap into those fear and greed centres. Look at the stage of the Cov Telegraph post internet. And it’s not some evil dude say twiddling his moustache saying “let’s do clickbait”, it’s a bunch of people suddenly fighting in the most competitive marketplace amongst tons of free competition, trying to find whatever works to stay afloat.
And you can’t turn it off. I don’t see how you can go back to trusted news sources and sensible political standards. There’ll always be the ability to get your message out widely and build an audience and with it power and money.
It almost worked in the old days with limited choice controlled tightly. But there’s no going back to that. Even if we wanted to morally, which I’m not sure we do.
One thing I don’t think is that well suddenly evolve the capability to process all the info coming at us and it’s ability to trigger our buttons.
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Taken at a random time from the latest. I've stripped out the reports from mirror, BBC, and Sky that ended up there. I could have gone on, but I have some real work to do. The overwhelming sense is just a simple RIP, with the occasional person wanting to draw in politics.
Non political
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Without meaning to diminish the role that social media has played in polarizing our society, when you're talking about platforms of this scale, it's hardly news that you can go on and find people saying awful things about terrible situations. It's always been there, social media just lets you find it quickly if you want to (which you can argue is exactly the problem etc etc).
chiefdave
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There's definitely something in the 'bad at interpreting information' thing. Remember when we all thought the problem was people not having access to information that was the issue? The internet has certainly shown that theory to be wrong.
We've reached this bizarre situation where people just dismiss things they don't agree with or that don't fit their point of view. I was talking to my Dad a while back and mentioned something Johnson had said, can't even remember what it was now, and he didn't believe Johnson would have said that so I pulled up the interview and played it to him. He's literally sat there watching Johnson speak and after that still didn't believe it!
skybluetony176
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It’s not just social media. You’ve had many MP’s and indeed cabinet members using words like betrayal, surrender and traitors to describe other MP’s and prominent members of society. When words Boris used were replicated in death threats to female MP’s and it was suggested that he was inciting hatred he dismissed it. Humbug I think was the exact word he used to dismiss it. Any changes in behaviour needs to start at the top. You can’t expect wider society to change when the PM, MP’s and people of prominence with a platform are openly promoting hatred in a phoney culture war.
Evo1883
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That's why raynar is getting it in the neck on twitter for saying tory scum .
We say it on here fair enough , not the same is it ?
shmmeee
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I remember a year 8 class once with about half absolutely convinced pedophiles we’re watching you through an app on your phone and you could see them if you looked into the screen.
There I was with a degree in Computer Science literally employed to educate them about technology, telling them it was completely impossible to see someone by looking into a screen or camera. And all I kept getting back was “but my Nan shared it on Facebook”. You can’t bypass that trust in friends and family over authority figures so now your Nan knows more about computing than the guy employed to do so.
Grendel
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Most definitely it is not - her position is indefensible
Brighton Sky Blue
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I mean socially.
skybluetony176
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Or MP James Grey talking online about sending a bomb to Annaliese Dodds constituency office just last month.
Evo1883
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Well yes that's just repulsive .. only takes one MPs word to be taken as gospel and used as ammunition against another MP
TomRad85
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You are unbelievable sometimes Tony. Seriously.
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skybluetony176
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Why?
Evo1883
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Point in case , same language , used to justify the incident pretty much .
I know these people are a serious minority , but it only takes 1 person
The other day when IDS was hit with a cone , I made light work of it , suggesting that their policies are making people angry and its not totally a shock that somebody was taking matters into their own hands , however I never once thought that this was the outcome , the eventuality .. when in reality none of it is ok is it ?
It's a shock to say the least what's happened today and nobody deserves to die for their political beliefs in a functioning society
I know these people are a serious minority , but it only takes 1 person
The other day when IDS was hit with a cone , I made light work of it , suggesting that their policies are making people angry and its not totally a shock that somebody was taking matters into their own hands , however I never once thought that this was the outcome , the eventuality .. when in reality none of it is ok is it ?
It's a shock to say the least what's happened today and nobody deserves to die for their political beliefs in a functioning society
Grendel
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just ignore him. He is still trying to get get likes and backslaps from people like PVA and o day when an Mp had died - he should have a ban from here - he’s not even interested in the football at all
skybluetony176
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Yeah okay. Says the man who’s only interested in the football threads when we’re losing.
I’m making a valid point. You can’t have a conversation about unknown individuals behaviour on social media and ignore MP’s openly inciting hatred on line, in the media and even in the House of Commons. Grow up.
Says the bloke who's first reaction to it is something about racist homophobes and whose second reaction is 'Angela Rayner's position is indefensible'
Fucking prick.
Ian1779
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This rhetoric of traitor, treason, surrender, betrayal is out there in some of our papers, some of our radio shows and social media and has been repeatedly over the last 5/6 years. The people responsible for putting this out there have influence.
If calling out Rayner for saying Tory scum is the right thing to do, then calling out all the other stuff is also the right thing to do.
Social media operators have a responsibility too… time to stop putting revenue streams over appropriate control and find a way to hold anonymous posters accountable for their bile and hatred.