Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (147 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

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Isn't this how all vaccines work? If you don't have the boosters required you're not considered vaccinated?

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

Well i was under the impression a yearly booster was on the agenda, which is fair.

Not one every 3 months

Well tbf it's six months after your second, so not every three months.

It'll stabilise to annually, I'm sure. It'll stabilise, eventually, to flu type effects, where people have a certain immunity, and those who are more at risk get their immunity topped up with a vaccine.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which is why these moments of doubt are only fleeting. But they're there, and I think it's healthy to have that little bit of doubt about things. If you don't you're probably not going to last long. It's about making sure those doubts don't get out of control.

On matters like these where I feel secure enough in understanding what's in them, the literature behind them, I haven't had any such doubts. The media have to take a huge share of blame for blowing up once in a million fatalities as being enough to plant extra fear into those sitting on the fence.

 

[Tommo1993]

Can’t have my booster until Feb. I felt like shit after my second, and daftly said I wouldn’t do it again! Suppose the potential alternative is worse though.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

As an aside, six months after my second jab is... Christmas Day.

That's one way to spend it, I suppose(!)

That's alright. You'll have a headache on Boxing day anyway won't you?

 

[Saddlebrains]

My question for that would be, why they're necessarily surprised, given Israel were starting to show waning immunity as our vaccines were being rolled out, and of course flu has to be given annually, and most people have some kind of natural immunity to flu, built up over the years - we're starting from stage zero with Covid.



The figures after a booster look at first glance admittedly, to be so good that there's no real need to adapt it - they really are impressive. And variants will always come along in this, it's whether the vaccine still works on them or not that's important.


To a degree I'd find this harder to argue against. I guess my main issue would be depressing spread, that again from the figures about whether you actually catch Covid after your third, looks like a way to pushing down spread is indeed a third shot - we'll see, of course.

See this is where i am, point 3.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Did a quick straw poll at work today and of those in my phone contacts who i maintain contact with, about jab 3. Those that are double jabbed of course

At work of the 26 people asked, 15 said no. 10 yes 1 undecided

Phone, 16 asked, 9 no, 7 yes.


Seems its not only me that is really not keen on jab 3

Lockdowns here we come then because some of our populace don’t trust our medical experts to advise us. Oh well ffs

 

[wingy]

I don't think the info and messaging has been the greatest this time.
There was a two month lag on making the decision from first suggesting it , indecision breeds indecision IMO.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Every single person I know who’s double jabbed without exception when we’ve spoke about it has said they will have the third jab.

And unless I’ve totally lost the plot I’ve always expected a third jab, and a fourth. And so on. Was that not always the case?

Yes, I find in incomprehensible that somebody couldn't anticipate the potential need for a booster given the vaccine was developed in a period of about 6 months, so of course the long term efficacy was unknown. The internet has rotted brains with so much willingness to believe in silly conspiracy theories.

As I said previously, it is a privilege that some can only dream of and I'll be getting my booster when I can.

 

[Grendel]

I don't think the info and messaging has been the greatest this time.
There was a two month lag on making the decision from first suggesting it , indecision breeds indecision IMO.

theres been 13 million boosters so far almost so I don’t see a lot of indecision of this fine menu

 

[wingy]

theres been 13 million boosters so far almost so I don’t see a lot of indecision of this fine menu

No that's pretty good progress but there been questions like the Oxford Dame who suggested it wasn't needed at that point?
Would she say that for commercial reasons followed by AZ CEO?

 

[baldy]

Lockdowns here we come then because some of our populace don’t trust our medical experts to advise us. Oh well ffs

As if lockdowns work anyway too…eurgh

 

[Skybluefaz]

As if lockdowns work anyway too…eurgh

Is this bait? It feels like bait. Your history suggests you could genuinely believe this though.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

As if lockdowns work anyway too…eurgh

Depends what you think they are for

 

[wingy]

See here's where so much confusion creeps in.
Man on been cites protection against severe infection down to 44% after 5 months
The article I'm just pasting says 87. % at same point meaning/showing the booster gives you 6% more?
Does any of this take into account the other aspect of T cell's permanently recognising the infection and doing their stuff.

 

[robbiekeane]

This is tragic

 

[robbiekeane]

Jesus and then the brother died not long after

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Jesus and then the brother died not long after

The texts are sad. Convinced till his last breath the thing that killed him was a hoax.

 

[LastGarrison]

Fucking hell those messages on her feed between her brother and cousin are unbelievable.

Literally death by TikTok.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Fucking hell those messages on her feed between her brother and cousin are unbelievable.

Literally death by TikTok.

Where I do understand is vaccine shedding. If people are not taking regular lateral flow tests it is likely people who are vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic transmitters isn’t it?

 

[clint van damme]

Where I do understand is vaccine shedding. If people are not taking regular lateral flow tests it is likely people who are vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic transmitters isn’t it?

I love how anti vaxxers shift seamlessly between its a hoax and how they know of better treatments than the vacinne.

 

[Sick Boy]

Those texts are tragic and go to show just how dangerous/thick the anti-vax lot are. Imagine genuinely believing medical advice from some crank on fucking TikTok rather than an actual doctor.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Where I do understand is vaccine shedding. If people are not taking regular lateral flow tests it is likely people who are vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic transmitters isn’t it?

If everyone had been vaccinated this wouldn’t be a concern

 

[Sick Boy]

Where I do understand is vaccine shedding. If people are not taking regular lateral flow tests it is likely people who are vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic transmitters isn’t it?

Hasn’t it been debunked as a hoax? Do any of the covid vaccines being used contain a weakened form of covid-19?

 

[skybluetony176]

Hasn’t it been debunked as a hoax? Do any of the covid vaccines being used contain a weakened form of covid-19?

Some vaccines are live (think that’s the right term) vaccines, not sure on Covid. I know someone who has a compromised immune system having lost their spleen in an accident and it’s recommended that they don’t have any live vaccine or be close to someone who has for a period of time after they’ve had a live vaccine. I think there is a small risk for a very short period of time but only if your immune system is compromised in the first place. Healthy people with no underlying health conditions are no more vulnerable to “shedding” should it even exist in this incident than they would if they’d have had the vaccine themselves in the first place. As far as I understand it anyway. It’s a typical example of the anti vax morons latching onto a small fragment of a truth to invent a lie.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hasn’t it been debunked as a hoax? Do any of the covid vaccines being used contain a weakened form of covid-19?

Pfizer’s is just an mRNA vaccine, no viral particles at all. AZ is a mutated virus that carries the spike protein but is otherwise harmless.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Jesus and then the brother died not long after

Darwin had it right

 

[Grendel]

Unvaccinated Covid Patients To Pay Their Own Medical Bills If Hospitalised: Singapore

Singapore's COVID-19 patients who remain unvaccinated by choice will have to pay for their hospitalisation bills from December 8, the government said on Monday, as it got tough on people who are still holding off from getting their jabs.

www.google.co.uk

 

[Skybluefaz]

On Nick Ferrarri's show just now, he had the Mother of a pregnant woman on who does not want to have the vaccine. The caller was a nurse and her main issue was she wanted to know if all of these pregnant women who are in hospital with Covid had underlying health conditions.

Yes! They were fucking pregnant you daft c**t.

 

[chiefdave]

Why on earth would you just hold on to doses until they expire when you've already decided not to use them?

The UK threw away more than 600,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine after the life-saving jabs were allowed to pass their expiry date, The Independent can reveal.

In what has been described as an “absolute scandal”, the government failed to donate the doses to poorer countries struggling to access Covid vaccines – despite previous promises to redistribute supplies that were deemed surplus to requirements in the UK.

The doses were no longer needed in Britain after the decision was made in May to stop offering the AstraZeneca vaccine to younger age groups because of concerns over rare blood clotting.

This left an excess of vaccines, 604,400 of which eventually expired in August before being destroyed at the end of the month, according to data obtained by a Freedom of Information request.

 

[Grendel]

Why on earth would you just hold on to doses until they expire when you've already decided not to use them?

If they expired in August COVAX would not have allowed them to be dispatched anyway even in June would they?

 

[chiefdave]

If they expired in August COVAX would not have allowed them to be dispatched anyway even in June would they?

There's no mention of that in the article so no idea.

Found another article that said the UK had donated doses in August that were due to expire in September which would seem to indicate that donating the 600K in question back in May with an expiry of August wouldn't have been an issue but if the rules say otherwise then that's obviously why they were binned.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If everyone had been vaccinated this wouldn’t be a concern

Course

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Hasn’t it been debunked as a hoax? Do any of the covid vaccines being used contain a weakened form of covid-19?

The shedding is bat shit insane what I meant was as a double jabbed phase 1 elite about to have booster I may not be as thoughtful about whether I’m asymptomatic m. That’s the only part I sort of understand.

 

[Grendel]

There's no mention of that in the article so no idea.

Found another article that said the UK had donated doses in August that were due to expire in September which would seem to indicate that donating the 600K in question back in May with an expiry of August wouldn't have been an issue but if the rules say otherwise then that's obviously why they were binned.

On top of bureaucratic hurdles, there is also the issue of limited shelf life. COVAX generally only accepts doses with at least two months left before expiry. Vaccines nearing their use-by date can end up being destroyed, as happened with 385,000 doses delivered by COVAX thrown away between June and September 24, according to a document seen by POLITICO.

The concern around shelf life links to yet another conundrum: COVAX has been loath to receive doses directly from countries, stranding shots in EU warehouses. While it’s technically possible for EU countries to donate doses already handed over by the manufacturer, the threat to the integrity of the cold chain and expiry date concerns make this “very difficult to do,” said the development official.