Migrants crossing from Europe (18 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Most of you on this thread.

If anything is generally said about stopping migrant crossings it is shot down, unless of course it is to suggest making it legal.

Political threads on here are generally the same. As much as I despise the tories, 90% of it is bashing them.

It's boring and shows why a lot of posters don't bother coming onto the off topic chat anymore.

None of what is being discussed has anything to do with ‘open borders’. There are those who think it should be easier for those with genuine claims to asylum to have easier access to it without having to put their lives in danger, that’s a lot different to having an open border.
There’s also a balance of political viewpoints amongst posters of political threads.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Most of you on this thread.

If anything is generally said about stopping migrant crossings it is shot down, unless of course it is to suggest making it legal.

Political threads on here are generally the same. As much as I despise the tories, 90% of it is bashing them.

It's boring and shows why a lot of posters don't bother coming onto the off topic chat anymore.

Besides the unfortunate choice of words, this isn't true.

 

[PVA]

Most of you on this thread.

If anything is generally said about stopping migrant crossings it is shot down, unless of course it is to suggest making it legal.

Nobody has said they want open borders.

Trying to stop migrant crossings will likely only make people more desperate.

The best option is surely to provide safe routes and then process them when they arrive.

 

[skybluetony176]

Let's face it, most of the people arguing here would want open borders.

It makes the debate very difficult.

We’ve never had open borders. In fact our border starts on the french coast, it’s called the Le Torquet agreement. Look it up and burst wide open another myth that you seem to buy into. Funny thing is Macron, unlike most of the far right in France, wants to keep it. The far right want to cancel the arrangement and kick the British border force out of France. Meaning all thousands of migrants have to do is buy a ferry ticket to get to England. I suppose it’s one way to clear the migrant camps out in France.

 

[oscillatewildly]

Absolutely. If he was serious about resolving the matter and had genuine compassion for the people making the crossings he'd have jumped on the Eurostar and gone to see Macron, or at the very least picked up the phone.

Instead he publishes a letter designed to play to his fanbase. There is no reason to make it public other than to play to his fanbase or to try and embarrass the French.

It's not usually a good idea to try and publicly embarrass someone you're trying to do a deal with.

Your own immaturity is on the same level as that of a leader of a first world nation. He throws his dummy out of the pram when confronted with the facts of a major crisis which are well and truly on his nations doorstep.
That said at least you are only a contributor to an online forum.

 

[PVA]

Your own immaturity is on the same level as that of a leader of a first world nation. He throws his dummy out of the pram when confronted with the facts of a major crisis which are well and truly on his nations doorstep.
That said at least you are only a contributor to an online forum.

 

[oscillatewildly]

Yet another case emphatically closed!!!

 

[PVA]

Yet another case emphatically closed!!!

Your post was just bizarre...

I'm immature. But so is a world leader. Who throws his toys out the pram. But I post on a forum.

Good one!

 

[oscillatewildly]

Your post was just bizarre...

I'm immature. But so is a world leader. Who throws his toys out the pram. But I post on a forum.

Good one!

Further closed.

 

[PVA]

Wow absolute zinger, done me there.

 

[oscillatewildly]

Macron has responded and, as some of us have said in here, making the letter public has not gone down well. Just stupid playground politics from Johnson to appease his fans which was hardly going to improve relations and cooperation.

France has a child as its leader. A petulant spoilt brat.

 

[Sick Boy]

France has a child as its leader. A petulant spoilt brat.

The view of De Pfeffel outside of the UK is nearly as good.

 

[PVA]

France has a child as its leader. A petulant spoilt brat.

 

[robbiekeane]

I have massive sympathy for the Kurds, but I think this abbreviated comment from another website sums the situation up well:

"3 to 7 billion population growth in 50 years, most of it in the 3rd world thanks to modern development, medicine and money. Capable of swamping our little island, and our continent, at a stroke. I am honestly past caring about any of them. I care about my people and my country more. Our ancestors fought for centuries and went through hell to give us the society we have, the migrants should do the same. The fact they choose not to and prefer to maintain their despicable regressive, religious, tribal cultures tells me a lot about their mentality. They collectively bring nothing good to the West, just more cultural strife, overcrowding and cost and we don’t owe them anything. I’m sick of it.

The concept of asylum has gone way beyond its original purpose; temporary shelter in a safe neighbouring country when your country is at war. If asylum were a more clearly and narrowly defined temporary arrangement, no citizenship available, no chain migration, with quick, unchallengeable deportation, then I would accept it more. But it has become a pick and mix free for all, with permanence, available to anyone who ‘wants a better life’. Once you’re in you’re in. Even if you rape or murder someone the lawyers will help you stay. It’s so wrong it makes me furious."

So interesting, googled various strings on sentences in that and found no hits other than this post

 

[oscillatewildly]

The view of De Pfeffel outside of the UK is nearly as good.

Agreed. By the way, do you know who that weirdo PVA is?

 

[Como]

I find this a fascinating topic. If you go down to the roots of the issue it is a combination of widely different prosperity coupled with cheap transport and modern communications. Everybody has a Mobile give or take.

From a practical perspective where would everybody fit, half the world would migrate if they could.

My Grandparents migrated from South Wales to Coventry, many Welsh did. Now you can travel from half a world away.

The only thing I can think of is that there needs to be a levelling of incomes, I would anticipate that is probably inevitable anyway.

 

[oscillatewildly]

I find this a fascinating topic. If you go down to the roots of the issue it is a combination of widely different prosperity coupled with cheap transport and modern communications. Everybody has a Mobile give or take.

From a practical perspective where would everybody fit, half the world would migrate if they could.

My Grandparents migrated from South Wales to Coventry, many Welsh did. Now you can travel from half a world away.

The only thing I can think of is that there needs to be a levelling of incomes, I would anticipate that is probably inevitable anyway.

 

[PVA]

Agreed. By the way, do you know who that weirdo PVA is?

Why would he know who I am? Nobody on here does (as far as I know).

I'm flattered you're so desperate to find out more about me though.

Think you must have had a few too many last night.

 

[oscillatewildly]

If I had it clearly wasn't enough to anaesthetise me from your drivel.

 

[PVA]

 

[PVA]

Anyway. Back on topic.

I was reminded earlier of someone I, quite vaguely, knew a few years ago.

They have a partner in Ethiopia who they have been trying to get over to the UK on a visa for years with no luck. They have a child together.

It's really not as simple as 'why didn't she just get a visa' as some have suggested in response to Mariam Hamadameen's decision to make the crossing.

 

[Sick Boy]

Anyway. Back on topic.

I was reminded earlier of someone I, quite vaguely, knew a few years ago.

They have a partner in Ethiopia who they have been trying to get over to the UK on a visa for years with no luck. They have a son together.

It's really not as simple as 'why didn't she just get a visa' as some have suggested in response to Mariam Hamadameen's decision to make the crossing.

Too many people are taken in by the soft touch nonsense that gets pedalled by the rags. The current situation we are in today is down to successive governments over the last 20 years, which is now made all the worse by having someone like Patel in charge.
I saw that the Border Force union is now refusing to do push-backs and threatening legal action, I wonder if border force agents will be the next on here to face calls to be prosecuted after the RNLI.

 

[PVA]

Too many people are taken in by the soft touch nonsense that gets pedalled by the rags. The current situation we are in today is down to successive governments over the last 20 years, which is now made all the worse by having someone like Patel in charge.
I saw that the Border Force union is now refusing to do push-backs and threatening legal action, I wonder if border force agents will be the next on here to face calls to be prosecuted after the RNLI.

Hadn't read that, but fair play to the border force union. Can't blame them.

That'll get people frothing. Bring in the navy!!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hadn't read that, but fair play to the border force union. Can't blame them.

That'll get people frothing. Bring in the navy!!

Grrrrr unions grrrrr

 

[skybluetony176]

Hadn't read that, but fair play to the border force union. Can't blame them.

That'll get people frothing. Bring in the navy!!

They can’t find a new boss for the Border Force either as no one wants to work for Pritti Patel.

 

[Grendel]

She wouldn’t have had the automatic right, no.

It’s not automatic in most countries is it if they are not in the country?

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s not automatic in most countries is it if they are not in the country?

It’s down to the individual country, I could get Italian citizenship if I got married and didn’t live here…but the main point was that for most countries having a spouse with citizenship doesn’t necessarily give you the right to go and live there.
I think he’d need to have been earning something like £19K and she’d need private medical insurance etc and speak fluent English.

 

[Grendel]

It’s down to the individual country, I could get Italian citizenship if I got married and didn’t live here…but the main point was that for most countries having a spouse with citizenship doesn’t necessarily give you the right to go and live there.

It takes 3 years in Italy and you have to do some tests to prove you can speak Italian?

How to claim Italian citizenship through marriage

How to claim Italian citizenship through marriage? It is no longer enough to just be married to an Italian citizen: in order to be eligible, it is now necessary to also know the language. According

www.boccadutri.com

 

[Sick Boy]

It takes 3 years in Italy and you have to do some tests to prove you can speak Italian?

How to claim Italian citizenship through marriage

How to claim Italian citizenship through marriage? It is no longer enough to just be married to an Italian citizen: in order to be eligible, it is now necessary to also know the language. According

www.boccadutri.com

Yeah you have to wait a few years, it’s reduced to something like a year if you live here and have children. It’s a B1 level exam, which is basic Italian (brought in by Salvini).

 

[Grendel]

Yeah you have to wait a few years, it’s reduced to something like a year if you live here and have children. It’s a B1 level exam, which is basic Italian (brought in by Salvini).

But the point surely is if you are married you are not even eligible until 3 years if living abroad. France you cannot get citizenship by marriage even living in France for it seems 5 years

So I don’t really see why this is discussed in context of the migrant crises when the uk really seems pretty similar to other countries - and the rules are clearly there before someone decided to get married if they do not have citizenship

 

[Sick Boy]

But the point surely is if you are married you are not even eligible until 3 years if living abroad. France you cannot get citizenship by marriage even living in France for it seems 5 years

So I don’t really see why this is discussed in context of the migrant crises when the uk really seems pretty similar to other countries - and the rules are clearly there before someone decided to get married if they do not have citizenship

Yes but in the UK (and other countries), there is no route to take at all, hence why they ended up in such a desperate situation - there was also a presumption on here that being married would have allowed her to settle in the UK.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

France has a child as its leader. A petulant spoilt brat.

Remember this guy?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Let's face it, most of the people arguing here would want open borders.

It makes the debate very difficult.

I don't think that's the case at all. We all know our public services couldn't cope with a massive influx of people.

I think the main thing people want is for these people to be treated like human beings rather than these demons coming over here to take the piss and destroy our way of life.

It seems like the government have no real plan (or even desire) to solve this problem because it provides them with a convenient dog-whistle when things are going wrong.

If we want to stop these crossings, people risking their lives and traffickers making a fuck ton of money off vulnerable and desperate people what is needed is for us to have an agreement with the French to have a processing centre in France and for them to take back unsuccessful applicants.

That processing centre could be used as a propaganda tool as well to put people off, as you can tell them the reality of life in Britain, especially for immigrants. You can make them aware of just what they would be entitled to rather than rumours they may have heard. Pictures on the wall of the destitute, the hungry, run down areas, people huddled against the rain and cold...

That may just have been possible before we left the EU but it's not going to happen now as both the British and French authorities are far too concerned with the dick-measuring contest and doing stuff that will likely play well in their respective countries than actually having a desire to solve the crisis.

 

[Harry Krishner]

So interesting, googled various strings on sentences in that and found no hits other than this post

It's the top-rated comment under an article entitled "The Calais Crisis Can't be Solved". I abbreviated it.

 

[Sick Boy]

It's the top-rated comment under an article entitled "The Calais Crisis Can't be Solved". I abbreviated it.

It's a bit concerning there are so many living in the UK who seem to support the colonisation of the country and Europe.
Blimey.