Brighton Sky Blue
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Won’t that just show you have antibodies from the vaccines anyway?
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Won’t that just show you have antibodies from the vaccines anyway?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Yes, though this obsession with coating surfaces in bleach was debunked ages ago yet is still being pushed in most places. Does my head in.
skybluetony176
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Compared to what? If mask wearing wasn’t compulsory? It would be worse according to every piece of actual scientific evidence. It’s like saying seatbelts don’t work because people still die or get seriously injured while wearing a seatbelt.
Yes but they would be waning if it was vaccine antibodies.
Im not saying im against mask im just saying they dont work aswell as some people say, and the car analogy is bullshit.
clint van damme
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The outbreak amongst staff at the Ricoh testing centre was traced back to surface transmission on a shared appliance in the staff canteen so it's not total bollocks though obviously airborne transmission is the big one.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I'd like to see more on that outbreak if that's available. Basically any peer reviewed research has failed to grow the virus from surfaces even in lab conditions.
clint van damme
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Don't know if there's anything online but it was when I lost my job at the start of the year and was doing a bit in a testing centre.
They had an outbreak at the ricoh which they said was from a shared appliance and changed the procedures around cleaning and started removing some appliances from the canteens etc.
robbiekeane
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This 100%.
Ive learnt in this pandemic that people have some really weird fears of not being in control, as well as phobias of needles
Brighton Sky Blue
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Can't see much online about it really, but the only cases I've seen as confirmed from surfaces arose from people sneezing on the surface and then almost immediate contact with it by someone else. It's ineffective, time consuming to implement and at least in schools means we are generating loads of waste from the alcohol-soaked wipes which themselves carry health warnings.
To all intents and purposes surface transmission is not a thing.
Saddlebrains
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As predicted.
The good news has been ignored on this thread and its still an argument about masks
The good news has been ignored on this thread and its still an argument about masks
clint van damme
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Read my post about 5he Scottish medical officer you clown.
Saddlebrains
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I have done you parsnip, fair play for being the only one not crying over masks being right or wrong
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Why do you think it is a good idea? And what has changed?
Sick Boy
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Because the anti-vaxx conspiracies are utter shite and impacting wider society.
Ian1779
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Maybe if the snowflakes just put them on without whinging like little bitches we could get to the good news
Skyblueweeman
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I've got mine on the 21st.
My wife just had Covid a few weeks back, around 37 weeks pregnant. Thankfully she was fine other than losing her sense of taste and smell which hasn't totally come back. I guess being double jabbed stopped more severe reactions. Thankfully, neither me nor my son got it.
Defo getting the booster though.
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I'm currently 29th. If the opportunity comes to move it forward to mid December, I will.
Still avoiding Christmas Eve, though!
Skyblueweeman
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Why have two and then not a booster?
Nick
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It may change but the whole premise was get double jabbed, do your bit etc.
I'm by no means anti vax and think I am being chipped but just don't really see an end to it all. Goalposts are moved every week.
Skyblueweeman
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Kind of don't disagree but I get a flu jab every year due to my asthma as it wanes over time. Just seems logical and if it stops serious illness if/when I catch it, then it's a no brainer but I get where you're coming from.
Saddlebrains
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Nick
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The thing was, the vaccines were supposedly mandatory for things as well. Vaccine Passports to get into football matches etc.
Goalposts moved.
clint van damme
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It's a fluid situation which almost no one alive has lived through before, (certainly not on this scale), so it's unrealistic to not expect 'the goalposts to move' really.
Sick Boy
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Yeah I guess i look at it from an Italian perspective where they’re clamping down on it more and more.
Skybluefaz
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Matt Hancock's pal is on LBC speaking to James O'Brien now
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If Mrs Wisdom can get her's done (when I ended up in casualty once, I had to divert the nurse to look after her, as she fainted while *I* had a needle pushed into me!!) then anybody can(!)
As an aside, they do like trying to send me to the colourful areas of the city. Remembrance Road or Jardine Crescent eh? Not sure Covid would get to those places, it'd be too scared
clint van damme
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COVID-19: Most Omicron cases are 'mild' and there's no evidence to suggest vaccines may be less effective against the variant, says WHO official
The World Health Organisation has also urged countries to apply "an evidence-informed and risk-based approach" to travel measures, saying blanket bans will not prevent the spread of the new Omicron COVID variant.
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It's excellent news in a general sense. Still a small sample size, mind you.COVID-19: Most Omicron cases are 'mild' and there's no evidence to suggest vaccines may be less effective against the variant, says WHO official
The World Health Organisation has also urged countries to apply "an evidence-informed and risk-based approach" to travel measures, saying blanket bans will not prevent the spread of the new Omicron COVID variant.www.google.com
I'm still confused by the rush to get everyone boosted so soon, mind you - even more so if it does turn out that cases end up milder. Even more so as they still haven't revised the booking system to do so, so cramming half the UK into a month and a half period could be... interesting!
Brighton Sky Blue
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I think it might be to do with the evidence on general immunity after the 3rd jab. It could really cut down transmission of Delta also
duffer
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Viruses can mutate to become either more deadly, or less deadly. At the moment I think the jury is out on the Omicron strain:
We shouldn’t worry when a virus mutates during disease outbreaks - Nature Microbiology
Mutation. The word naturally conjures fears of unexpected and freakish changes. Ill-informed discussions of mutations thrive during virus outbreaks, including the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2. In reality, mutations are a natural part of the virus life cycle and rarely impact outbreaks dramatically.
www.nature.com
See not really true, the chances of a vírus mutating to become deadlier is miniscule, they tend to reduce in potency as you can say over time, its just the natural evoloution of a vírus, they mutate to survive and multiply not to kill the host. (not saying it cant happen but very very very tiny chance of it happening)Viruses can mutate to become either more deadly, or less deadly. At the moment I think the jury is out on the Omicron strain:
We shouldn’t worry when a virus mutates during disease outbreaks - Nature Microbiology
Mutation. The word naturally conjures fears of unexpected and freakish changes. Ill-informed discussions of mutations thrive during virus outbreaks, including the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2. In reality, mutations are a natural part of the virus life cycle and rarely impact outbreaks dramatically.
duffer
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If I could make only one wish with regards to this thread, it's that we should not let anecdotes trump data.
The point of vaccination isn't just to protect the individual, it's to protect everyone.
Politely, I think there's far too much weight here given from some people towards anecdotal evidence, which even in itself is often based on assumptions.
That isn't a sensible path when there's a ton of actual peer-reviewed evidence out there that clearly indicates that the risk of serious illness from Covid, whilst relatively low for most people, is still far, far greater than the risk of a serious adverse reaction to a vaccination.
And of course, vaccination doesn't just benefit the individual, it reduces transmission and benefits all of us.
Less transmission also means less mutations, further reducing risk. I don't really get what's so hard to understand about this.
The point of vaccination isn't just to protect the individual, it's to protect everyone.
Politely, I think there's far too much weight here given from some people towards anecdotal evidence, which even in itself is often based on assumptions.
That isn't a sensible path when there's a ton of actual peer-reviewed evidence out there that clearly indicates that the risk of serious illness from Covid, whilst relatively low for most people, is still far, far greater than the risk of a serious adverse reaction to a vaccination.
And of course, vaccination doesn't just benefit the individual, it reduces transmission and benefits all of us.
Less transmission also means less mutations, further reducing risk. I don't really get what's so hard to understand about this.