Brighton Sky Blue
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It just isn’t going to happen on Christmas Eve or Day, for example. Just looks like someone’s realised their homework’s due in in the morning
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It just isn’t going to happen on Christmas Eve or Day, for example. Just looks like someone’s realised their homework’s due in in the morning
chiefdave
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Why do they set these ridiculous targets. Its like everything having to be world beating. They know they can do 500K a day so why not say we'll get everyone done by mid-january and give yourself a chance?
It's not playing politics you utter. The restrictions in themselves are useless without enablers, where was his pressure on sick pay / reinstating furlough?
He's basically conceding an argument where NHS capacity (always stretched at winter) is something that nothing can be done about aside from restrictions.
. The restrictions in themselves are useless without enablers, where was his pressure on sick pay / reinstating furlough?Whether you think its playing politics or not is irrelevant. That's how it'd be played.
Voting against Covid restrictions would be utter suicide for Labour. Its absurd to suggest otherwise.
No good would come of it. Total hiding to nothing. Absolute open goal for the Tories.
Here's Starmer pressuring about furlough, unemployment, part time jobs etc. He also said sick pay should be paid from day 1.
Starmer calls for furlough scheme replacement - BBC News
The Labour leader also warns of the "scarring effect" of "mass unemployment" on communities.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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What happens if they don't meet that target? Nothing.
I could set myself a target of running the world by next Christmas and having made love to a million women but if I'm not going to penalise myself if I don't achieve it it means nothing.
Just like all the climate change 'targets'. There's never any penalty for not achieving them so they're never met. Utterly meaningless.
Its a soundbite. I don’t mind ambitious targets though, keeps people focussed and something to aim for. if they can get anywhere around 750k they’ll be doing well and we’ll have around 12-13m boostered by end of year.(taking into account hols)
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Because it sounds like he’s doing something
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Targets, especially publicly declared ones, are normally counter productive and drive the wrong sorts of behaviours. They become an end in themselves rather than a means of delivering a useful outcome. We saw this under Hancock, especially with the testing target, when they ended up stuffing tests into envelopes on the last day to say they could meet the target. Many of the tests didn't work ir went to the wrong places. Similar things happened with PPE, when they resorted to counting each glove separately.
I have seen things like this happen so many times in various settings.
Finham
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Ah come on mate, you're being too hard on yourself, you can manage 2 more by then!
clint van damme
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Grendel
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It's not playing politics you utter
He's basically conceding an argument where NHS capacity (always stretched at winter) is something that nothing can be done about aside from restrictions.
Starmers inability to oppose gets worse every week
I await to hear his latest interrogation to the Prime Minister - I expect to see some revelation as to what the quiz questions were at the party, more insight into the 10 worst rides at Pappa Pig land and a demand to call in the Met to investigate an incident that may have occurred 10 years ago when Boris Johnson’s hand inadvertently touched an observer journalists knee.
Meanwhile Mr Johnson passes a law that states citizenship can be removed if you vote labour ever again and he - and most of his supporters don’t even notice
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Sadly I've got a fair few more than that to go.
So far I've only got Monica, Erica, Rita, Tina, Sandra, Mary and Jessica on my bedpost.
clint van damme
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Yeah. They tested the water with the Windrush lot and that Begum girl, and to be fair, you were one of the few who saw what was coming.
Now everyone's fair game.
fernandopartridge
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Whether you think its playing politics or not is irrelevant. That's how it'd be played.
Voting against Covid restrictions would be utter suicide for Labour. Its absurd to suggest otherwise.
No good would come of it. Total hiding to nothing. Absolute open goal for the Tories.
Here's Starmer pressuring about furlough, unemployment, part time jobs etc. He also said sick pay should be paid from day 1.
Starmer calls for furlough scheme replacement - BBC News
The Labour leader also warns of the "scarring effect" of "mass unemployment" on communities.
Why have you sent me a link to a story from 15th September (and a speech at the TUC)?
Boris Johnson may face biggest rebellion so far over new Covid rules | Conservatives | The Guardian
Not even making any conditions on it at all, Labour will be completely straitjacketed by this if the restrictions are found to be completely ineffective and / or have a negative impact in themselves.
You should probably take a look at the polls.
David O'Day
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You can't be a party that says it trusts the science and then not follow the science
Madness
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Replace 'Starmer's' with 'Johnson's' and 'oppose' to 'govern' and the sentence actual takes on a ring of truth.
And that's the only time you'll see the words 'Johnson' and 'truth' in the same sentence.
David O'Day
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Skybluefaz
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fernandopartridge
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The "science" is concerned only with stopping the spread of a virus. The government is concerned with that and a host of other things.
I think that’s a bit unfair Wingy. JCVI originally suggested 6 month gap so call up gradual. There are also constraints around vaccines administration; GPs have been clearing backlog of lockdown cases in recent months, volunteers may not have been available, 15 mins wait post Pfizer jabs (mean less people in time slots for certain locations), slow initial take up with some not thinking it’s necessary. They’ve still been banging out 300k+ per day. Booster wise we’re well ahead of most.
With hindsight it looks lacklustre but Omicron has unfortunately changed everything
Grendel
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We do have by far the best booster rate already in Europe and about 5th in the world
David O'Day
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shmmeee
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Literally every PM looks like this eventually. Even without all that. I can’t imagine the stress of the job.
Ian1779
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If Starmer didn’t have the political acumen of a Twix he could take advantage of a potential Tory rebellion to negotiate some financial support for those forced to self-isolate and thus increase compliance with the rules.
The only effort he’s made today is to get the flag and bookshelf looking ‘patriotic’
skybluetony176
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Rabb out Abboting Abbot
skybluetony176
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I think he actually might be a worse human being than Boris
fernandopartridge
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They won't. But that's the whole point.
They certainly would remember if Labour voted against it and thousands of people start dying in a few weeks.
I don't know why you're so keen for Labour to vote against life saving measures. It would be disastrous for them.
The Tories are eating themselves alive at the minute. Labour don't need to do much other than sit back and watch the carnage unfold. Voting against this is just not an option
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