Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (229 Viewers)

[robbiekeane]

Why now is it such an issue almost 2 years on ?

Because they aren’t complying with the solution?

 

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[robbiekeane]

Why are people so hellbent on people losing their jobs ? The very people you all clapped last year ? Weird as fuck because it hasn't bothered people from the day the vaccine released to now ? And they will still be working until March? What measures do they take now that suddenly won't be good enough in March?

Literally didn’t even answer the question

 

[fernandopartridge]

Health workers have always been required to vaccinate against illnesses that can harm their patients. Where were you before arguing against that? What’s so special about the Covid vaccine?

They’ve had a year to get a jab, numbers aren’t high enough so now a hard deadline is in with time to get fully vaxxed. Would you rather they just sacked people on the spot?

You’re making out like the gestapo are out holding down people while crazed Dr Mengele jabs experimental drugs in them. All that’s happening is a condition of employment is being brought in with a decent grace period to comply or find a new career.

Do you think the NHS can afford to sack people?

 

[baldy]

Baldy and Ewan Boyle from the Express. A match made in utter bullshit chatting heaven.

I really do live rent-free in your head don’t I Mavis?

 

[Kieranp96]

When i worked at the hospital in 2016 i was made to take vaccines i think i had 5 over all not sire what they were for but i was it department.

 

[robbiekeane]

 

[robbiekeane]

Covid vaccine: People told to travel 100 miles to register overseas jab

People vaccinated abroad must register their jab in person - but only 16 sites are available to do so.

www.bbc.co.uk

hahaha you couldn’t make it up. This place really is a fucking joke

 

[clint van damme]

I think it's appalling , that's what I think

Its impractical. This isn't going to help the NHS.

 

[clint van damme]

Or maybe Boris wants that to happen , so he can then say the NHS isnt for for purpose call me crazy

Thats been happening for years and some of us have been banging on about it for years. It's the oldest trick in the capitalist play book.

 

[clint van damme]

Covid vaccine: People told to travel 100 miles to register overseas jab

People vaccinated abroad must register their jab in person - but only 16 sites are available to do so.

www.bbc.co.uk

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hahaha you couldn’t make it up. This place really is a fucking joke

There are Tescos doing walk ins.
Don't know about the Ricoh but they do them at the only Walsgrave.

 

[Jamesimus]

When i worked at the hospital in 2016 i was made to take vaccines i think i had 5 over all not sire what they were for but i was it department.

They weren't vaccines mate...

 

[Evo1883]

Its impractical. This isn't going to help the NHS.

Yea , 73000 out of a job certainly won't either ..

 

[Jamesimus]

I'm very much for the vaccine and health care workers being vaccinated for obvious reasons. That being said, the thought of someone losing their career over it doesn't sit well with me.

 

[clint van damme]

Yea , 73000 out of a job certainly won't either ..

Aren't the NHS going to deploy people away from front line rolls rather than sack them?

Either way, if the hospitals start getting overwhelmed having an ICU nurse either on the dole or shuffling papers in an office doesn't make sense just because she's not jabbed.

 

[shmmeee]

Do you think the NHS can afford to sack people?

If they’re unsuitable for the job, yes.

 

[clint van damme]

If they’re unsuitable for the job, yes.

Do you think someone who isn't jabbed is unsuitable for the job?

 

[shmmeee]

Do you think someone who isn't jabbed is unsuitable for the job?

Yes. If you won’t take basic hygiene measures you shouldn’t be working in healthcare.

 

[Nick]

Yes. If you won’t take basic hygiene measures you shouldn’t be working in healthcare.

Not sure it's a basic hygiene measure, is it?

Hygiene is a different thing

 

[Saddlebrains]

What i wanna know is, with the NHS already severely understaffed, how are these 60000 doctors and nurses and care workers (lets take off 34000 that may be in day an admin role) going to be replaced?

Let alone fucking adding numbers of them.

Its going to collapse, the whole system. We're already at 6 millions on waiting lists, We're already seeing people struggling to see GP's, i really see this as the end of the NHS. Cant see it carrying on after this whatsoever

 

[clint van damme]

Yes. If you won’t take basic hygiene measures you shouldn’t be working in healthcare.

So you'd rather an ICU unit hada10 to 1 patient to vaccinated nurse ratio than a 2 to 1 with a mix of vacinnated and unvaccinated nurses?

I know someone who runs a complex care facility which already has perennial staffing issues, this will kill them (literally), it doesn't make sense.
AndI say this as someone who wishes every adult would just go and get their jabs and boosters and be done with it

 

[Blind-Faith]

It’s almost like the government want the NHS going tits up, then they might be able to privatise it

 

[Saddlebrains]

I've started looking into going private.

Dont have a pot to piss in most months with expendable income but id rather be destitute and know my children, partner and myself could get a lump checked out or blood tests done within a fortnight instead of being pushed down the list because of a variant

 

[Nick]

Are the Omicron symptoms knocking about actually the real ones? Achey, itchy throat, fatigue.

 

[shmmeee]

So you'd rather an ICU unit hada10 to 1 patient to vaccinated nurse ratio than a 2 to 1 with a mix of vacinnated and unvaccinated nurses?

I know someone who runs a complex care facility which already has perennial staffing issues, this will kill them (literally), it doesn't make sense.
AndI say this as someone who wishes every adult would just go and get their jabs and boosters and be done with it

Id rather people got vaccinated but no I don’t think keeping unsuitable staff on who are in breach on contract is how you solve a staffing issue.

I’m not sure where you’re getting your numbers wrong but it’s nothing like that many

 

[Kieranp96]

They weren't vaccines mate...

They were jabs in my arm, what were they for? I can't remember for the lofe of me, maybe TB but i also had them as a kid so

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nick are you actually Desmond Swayne?

That’s amazing it used to be 6000 a year

 

[Nick]

"It'd be outrageous if the executive were to attempt to prevent any Member of Parliament attending this House to represent our constituents without first undergoing a medical procedure."

 

[clint van damme]

Id rather people got vaccinated but no I don’t think keeping unsuitable staff on who are in breach on contract is how you solve a staffing issue.

I’m not sure where you’re getting your numbers wrong but it’s nothing like that many

My ratio numbers? They were just examples.
But I do know that at the height of the Pandemic the ratio was way above what it should be so removing staff will only make it worse if ICU becomes as full again.

 

[ajsccfc]

Mild symptoms and a three-day recovery is better than the plain cold I've had since Thursday!

 

[shmmeee]

My ratio numbers? They were just examples.
But I do know that at the height of the Pandemic the ratio was way above what it should be so removing staff will only make it worse if ICU becomes as full again.

You’re talking maybe 5% of staff at worst. The NHS is understaffed as it always has been. That’s not the fault of this policy. That’s because the pay is garbage and they don’t have enough funds. More people who work with my missus have been leaving to work in retail or other industries than have refused the jab.

 

[clint van damme]

You’re talking maybe 5% of staff at worst. The NHS is understaffed as it always has been. That’s not the fault of this policy. That’s because the pay is garbage and they don’t have enough funds. More people who work with my missus have been leaving to work in retail or other industries than have refused the jab.

I don't disagree, but when you've already got staffing shortages don't make it worse.
It's like the lorry driver shortages. Brexit didn't cause it but when you've already got shortages don't remove 20k drivers from the available pool. It's not logical.

 

[chiefdave]

Its hard to know what to think about the variant. Still early days and more data needed but some reports seem to suggest nothing to worry about while others indicate the opposite. This one from Reuters for example.

OHANNESBURG, Dec 14 (Reuters) - Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine has been less effective in South Africa at keeping people infected with the virus out of hospital since the Omicron variant emerged last month, a real-world study published on Tuesday showed.

Between Nov. 15 and Dec. 7, people who had received two doses of the shot had a 70% chance of avoiding hospitalisation, down from 93% during the previous wave of Delta infections, the study showed.

When it came to avoiding infection altogether, the study by South Africa's largest private health insurance administrator, Discovery Health, showed that protection against catching COVID-19 had slumped to 33% from 80% previously.

The findings from the real-world analysis are some of the first about the protection vaccines offer against Omicron outside of laboratory studies, which have so far shown a reduced ability to neutralise the virus.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I have work early , I think I've already several times over made my feelings known on this , I actually agree with Jeremy corbyn this is probably going to be one of those things where in 20 years time , people look back , like they did when he was in charge of the opposition and say " he was right and nobody listened "

Dangerous precedent, slippery slope , will never be for it

Slippery slope is an argument put forward when a person is not able to argue in full the merits of the proposal at hand. It is a dangerous precedent and has to be based on evidence which as you say has not been made.
I think on balance I’m against forcing anyone unless there is incontrovertible evidence that it will make a difference. Ie you can’t get it or transmit it or if you pass it on the fatality rate is very high
Slippery slope is rubbish unless what is being said is evidence is not important in making difficult decisions

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Good news if that’s a reputable tweeter

 

[fernandopartridge]

I've started looking into going private.

Dont have a pot to piss in most months with expendable income but id rather be destitute and know my children, partner and myself could get a lump checked out or blood tests done within a fortnight instead of being pushed down the list because of a variant

It's almost as if the plan is working isn't it?