Sky Blue Pete
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Bit more nuanced.
He’s saying don’t lie and panic people to make them do things otherwise they may not believe you when you do the same again
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He’s saying don’t lie and panic people to make them do things otherwise they may not believe you when you do the same again
duffer
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When I had it, symptomatically, I had two negative LFTs and one positive, on consecutive days of feeling like death. PCR was positive.
duffer
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Fair enough, if that's what you think is being said. What's the lie that's currently being pushed, would you say?
Nick
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I don't think the first issue is going to be breaking the NHS. The 10 day isolation for people "if" their symptoms are very mild or even not there is going to break a lot of things first surely? That has to be the first worry.
Then you have things like people who can't afford to not miss work still (same as before). You have people who don't want to miss their Christmas piss up or seeing their families so if they have a sniffle they aren't going to do a test.
IF it turns out that for the vast majority it is just a cold for a day then let it rip.
Nick
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There is the one where he was keen to spin that it had killed somebody which he knew would become headline news.
There are also the ones about numbers that just happened to be incorrect.
There needs to be transparency about it all so people can decide, surely?
Evo1883
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It is, far less people outside though ..covid
Evo1883
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Evo1883
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It shouldnt sit well with anybody .. but here we are
I agree with pretty much all your posts recently Duffer but I still think there’s too many unknowns to suggest that without restrictions/slowing the spread it will break the nhs. The forecasts at the moment aren’t really worth the paper their written on as we really don’t have much of a clue about omicron other than it’s more transmissible. In the summer forecasters were saying post ‘freedom day’ there would be 100k cases per day and 2-3 times more hospitalisations than actually happened
Younger people may not have had boosters but a majority will hopefully have decent immunity from two jabs (as many would’ve had Pfizer and also jabbed more recently) and also natural immunity...obviously assuming omicron doesn’t swerve both. Then there are suggestions that omicron might be milder and younger people are at far reduced risk, even if totally unvaccinated.
I agree with the precautionary measures but talk about NHS being overwhelmed feels premature. I’m not saying it won’t happen or isn’t at risk of it happening (as I say too many unknowns) but this time last year we had 13k with Covid in hospital in England and currently it’s around 6.5k. Also last year there was far less natural immunity and literally no vaccine immunity to protect from severe illness/ hospitalisation.
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He’s a good data analyser but is missing the point. This should be about how many end up seriously ill/in hospital. It’s pretty much established that waning double jab will not stop you getting it but will still hopefully provide some decent protection from severe illness (booster even more so)
Anecdotal but my ex’s mum (70) nearly died from a stroke last year and recently had additional brain surgery so high risk. Had her booster. Caught Covid three weeks ago (only tested after track and trace) no/extremely mild symptoms and wouldn’t have even tested if not contacted
Blind-Faith
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Would this be because more have been tested? Hence catching more cases?
The % of test coming back positive is going up also, and tbh they reckon this new variant is making 200k new infrctions per day, so i expect to see like 100/200k cases per day in a few weeks time.
Decent testing numbers (1.3m) but doesn’t explain jump. No doubt numbers will be above 100k. Just need to hope it doesn’t transmit into severe illness/hospitalisations
On a brighter note, assuming it’s less severe, a lot of the country will secure natural immunity
Edit - 656k boosters yesterday !
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Saddlebrains
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Brighton Sky Blue
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This virus is really very peculiar. The biology behind who hardly notices an infection and who ends up seriously ill just gets more complicated
chiefdave
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Hospitalisations doesn't get released daily. The last update for admissions was on Saturday but already it was up over 10% in a week which can't be a good sign.
Evo1883
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Wuhan lab leak more likely origin of Covid-19, UK Parliament panel told
A Canadian molecular biologist said a lab origin of Covid-19 is more likely than natural origin at this point
Marty
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Wuhan lab leak more likely origin of Covid-19, UK Parliament panel told
A Canadian molecular biologist said a lab origin of Covid-19 is more likely than natural origin at this point
Tell us something we don't know... plenty of red faces on here with this news. Turns out you CAN'T trust the CCP. Who'd have guessed? About time Xinnie the pooh takes responsibility.
chiefdave
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She's been saying that for ages and has a book out about it. Although in interviews she has phrased it more that we can’t be certain that it did not emerge from the Wuhan Institute of Virology which I think most people would agree with.New
Wuhan lab leak more likely origin of Covid-19, UK Parliament panel told
A Canadian molecular biologist said a lab origin of Covid-19 is more likely than natural origin at this point
Not sure she's got any actual evidence any more than any of the other experts that have said similar. Defiantly something that needs investigating but we all know China won't cooperate and any evidence will be long gone so is unlikely to be easily proven.
Saddlebrains
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I mean.
We all thought that from day one.
My view? Them riots in Hong Kong needed stopping didn't they..........
Yeah, I keep an eye on PHE Covid inpatients (England only). Currently 6.5k This will be the main figure to keep an eye out for. If (and it’s still an if) we follow SA trend, admissions are staying in for shorter periods due to milder illness which will hopefully help control the steepness of the increase
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Wuhan lab leak more likely origin of Covid-19, UK Parliament panel told
A Canadian molecular biologist said a lab origin of Covid-19 is more likely than natural origin at this point
Their response since the outbreak indicates it was a lab leak (why delay, obstruct and minimise inspection ?!). They should be on the hook for world reparations !!! Disgraceful
clint van damme
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Which other countries have paid reparations for starting a pandemic?
It's not a serious suggestion.
There has been a huge lack of transparency but I doubt they give a fuck.
David O'Day
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Did the Us pont up for the Spanish flu?
clint van damme
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Or swine flu?
I know they won’t. Never going to happen. It’s not the release of virus that I’ve got an issue with, assuming it was accidental. It was the cover up and then the obstruction of the investigation since which may have hampered our global ability to stop/treat the disease.
Marty
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Marty
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I agree, nuke the cunts.
Maybe a little OTT
David O'Day
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Or Bon Jovi
duffer
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The problem is that if you let it rip now, and then in a few weeks time it turns out that for even a small proportion of those infected it's serious, then that small proportion will be a very large number.
By then of course, it's too late to do anything.
Here's the key point again, as made by EU scientific advisors, as opposed to UK ones (who seem to have lost your trust somewhat):
This is the key point, and it's not just Boris saying it. Link to today's full update is below:
Assessment of the further emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron VOC in the context of the ongoing Delta VOC transmission in the EU/EEA, 18th update
The risk to public health posed by the spread of the Omicron VOC in the context of ongoing Delta VOC transmission in the EU/EEA is assessed in this update.