Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (151 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Anyone else now ready to admit that those of us who were saying this was going to be a massive overreaction are right yet?

We're in the middle of a global pandemic where millions of people have died. There's lots of bad news about mate.
I get it gets to you but you really shouldn't be on a thread like this if anyone posting anything 'negative' gets to you like it appears to.


You're not doing yourself any favours.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Anyone else now ready to admit that those of us who were saying this was going to be a massive overreaction are right yet?

Cautious optimism. No swinging wildly from reckless abandon to lockdown at a whim

Absolutely right to prioritise boosters and to wait for hospitalisation figures and deaths.

I’m also pretty pleased with what seems like a very sensible decision to reduce the length of isolation

Nhs Chris hopson interestingly was talking about hospitalisations not being the only thing to consider and moved on to staff absence and routine medical practice falling behind meaning restrictions should stay.

I do get that it’s important to limit isolation but did feel like moving goalposts

Final point is we still don’t have all the data, just encouraging data showing this variant seems milder than delta

 

[Liquid Gold]

Well they do though dont they?

If Sage were correct throughout this pandemic we"d have about 10 million deaths and the NHS would no longer function.

You love doom and gloom you do

They produce multiple models though don’t they.

Just if you get your information from tabloids you’d think there would be millions of deaths as they all run with the worst case scenario predictions.

 

[CCFCSteve]

They produce multiple models though don’t they.

Just if you get your information from tabloids you’d think there would be millions of deaths as they all run with the worst case scenario predictions.

This is the issue LG, but not just with the tabloids, a lot of the written and tv media. The modelling info has also been represented/misrepresented by government and scientific advisors to suit

Most people havent got the time or inclination to read through a 40 page doc so are reliant on the info being disseminated in an honest, transparent and digestible way...which hasn’t been the case throughout the pandemic. I personally think the models should have a one or two page summary of best, worst and most likely scenario of cases, hospital admissions and deaths inc outline assumptions and probability of outcomes. Hard to condense a lot of the info but probably doable. That would hopefully encourage a more honest appraisal by media....although maybe not !

 

[Saddlebrains]

Points well made above.

I'm fully confident now that this is going to be nowhere near as bad as the MSM made out.

Each day passing its looker brighter

 

[Liquid Gold]

This is the issue LG, but not just with the tabloids, a lot of the written and tv media. The modelling info has also been represented/misrepresented by government and scientific advisors to suit

Most people havent got the time or inclination to read through a 40 page doc so are reliant on the info being disseminated in an honest, transparent and digestible way...which hasn’t been the case throughout the pandemic. I personally think the models should have a one or two page summary of best, worst and most likely scenario of cases, hospital admissions and deaths inc outline assumptions and probability of outcomes. Hard to condense a lot of the info but probably doable. That would hopefully encourage a more honest appraisal by media....although maybe not !

I think it’s also a problem with a profit driven print media that is haemorrhaging money so needs to sensationalise to sell, social media nonsense that people take as fact and a state media that has dropped objectivity for nepotism.

People also see these big numbers and think the modellers are useless when in actual fact they’ve taken the number with no restrictive measures at all when we’ve had full lockdowns etc.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Cautious optimism. No swinging wildly from reckless abandon to lockdown at a whim

Absolutely right to prioritise boosters and to wait for hospitalisation figures and deaths.

I’m also pretty pleased with what seems like a very sensible decision to reduce the length of isolation

Nhs Chris hopson interestingly was talking about hospitalisations not being the only thing to consider and moved on to staff absence and routine medical practice falling behind meaning restrictions should stay.

I do get that it’s important to limit isolation but did feel like moving goalposts

Final point is we still don’t have all the data, just encouraging data showing this variant seems milder than delta

Agree with all this Pete. Only query is whether it’s actually milder at all or it’s just our immunity (natural and/or vaccine) making it appear milder. This could be key, especially for unvaccinated. Let’s keep our collective fingers crossed

 

[Liquid Gold]

Points well made above.

I'm fully confident now that this is going to be nowhere near as bad as the MSM made out.

Each day passing its looker brighter

I’m cautiously optimistic it’ll burn itself out before too long and this is me sat here stuck with it missing Christmas with family.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I think it’s also a problem with a profit driven print media that is haemorrhaging money so needs to sensationalise to sell, social media nonsense that people take as fact and a state media that has dropped objectivity for nepotism.

People also see these big numbers and think the modellers are useless when in actual fact they’ve taken the number with no restrictive measures at all when we’ve had full lockdowns etc.

24 hour media needs sensationalism unfortunately

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Agree with all this Pete. Only query is whether it’s actually milder at all or it’s just our immunity (natural and/or vaccine) making it appear milder. This could be key, especially for unvaccinated. Let’s keep our collective fingers crossed

Yeah really good point. That will be borne out in the figures but only retrospectively. I think taking that risk with people that have been offered every opportunity to protect themselves with a vaccine seems less of eugenics than it would otherwise

What I mean and I don’t think is if it is as severe but only to those unvaccinated fellow brits then extra restrictions that affect livelihoods and mental health could be seen as unfair to the vast majority

As I say I feel awkward as I’ve got gout and have been told not to run but I do and will be treated if I cause myself problems

That’s not to say that it doesn’t already happen. If you smoke and don’t stop certain operations won’t be done. I’m not sure how I feel about that

 

[Liquid Gold]

24 hour media needs sensationalism unfortunately

They need to teach critical thinking to children in school.

Although adults seem to be worse at not being able to distinguish bullshit.

 

[Liquid Gold]

People that are anti-vax and anti-restrictions are like those people in America that are “pro-life” but reject state assistance for parents.

Darwin Award level idiots and I frankly don’t give a shit anymore if they are marginalised in society as they are putting the vulnerable in danger and making restrictions on the rest of us more likely.

 

[Nick]

They need to teach critical thinking to children in school.

Pointless really, people will just shout tin foil hat to them.

 

[Marty]

They need to teach critical thinking to children in school.

Although adults seem to be worse at not being able to distinguish bullshit.

Schools haven't a clue what to do with kids any more. Maths still hasn't moved on from the 'you won't always have a calculator with you'.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Pointless really, people will just shout tin foil hat to them.

Cos their ducking dad has a WhatsApp group that tells him what’s really going on

 

[CCFCSteve]

Maybe a bit of positive news reaffirming whats been said above. Still early days though

Omicron COVID symptoms milder than Delta in UK, early data suggests

UK Health Security Agency expected to say transmissibility of the new variant is very high, meaning large numbers may still end up in hospital.

www.politico.eu

 

[Nick]

Cos their ducking dad has a WhatsApp group that tells him what’s really going on

Critical thinking and objectionable thinking is long gone.

Imagine a teacher trying to teach that now, sacked within a week.

 

[Nick]

Maybe a bit of positive news reaffirming whats been said above. Still early days though

Omicron COVID symptoms milder than Delta in UK, early data suggests

UK Health Security Agency expected to say transmissibility of the new variant is very high, meaning large numbers may still end up in hospital.

www.politico.eu

Shock.

It's almost as if they knew anyway but by rolling so many boosters out after making out the world is going to end, they will have saved the day

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well they do though dont they?

If Sage were correct throughout this pandemic we"d have about 10 million deaths and the NHS would no longer function.

You love doom and gloom you do

They don't get it right or wrong, models are based on hypothetical scenarios

 

[Liquid Gold]

Critical thinking and objectionable thinking is long gone.

Imagine a teacher trying to teach that now, sacked within a week.

Objectionable is definitely alive and well lol

 

[CCFCSteve]

Shock.

It's almost as if they knew anyway but by rolling so many boosters out after making out the world is going to end, they will have saved the day

It might well be the booster that’s made it milder for most. Especially those over 50/60

 

[Nick]

It might well be the booster that’s made it milder for most. Especially this over 50/60

Yeah in the vulnerable and the older folk.

Otherwise healthy young adults, could have sent their booster off to vulnerable and older folk elsewhere who needed it more.

 

[MusicDating]

They don't get it right or wrong, models are based on hypothetical scenarios

Did I read that they don't say which modelled outcome is more likely? If so, that's a bit odd.

I mean I could model a night out to my mates; 'good', 'ok', 'bad'. Don't think they'd find that very useful!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah in the vulnerable and the older folk.

Otherwise healthy young adults, could have sent their booster off to vulnerable and older folk elsewhere who needed it more.

Yeah maybe right

 

[fernandopartridge]

Did I read that they don't say which modelled outcome is more likely? If so, that's a bit odd.

I mean I could model a night out to my mates; 'good', 'ok', 'bad'. Don't think they'd find that very useful!

They're not asked to do that though, they're asked to produce models based on scenarios. This then informs the government making the decision on what sort of restrictions it might put in place.

 

[Philosoraptor]

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Are you new to the media or something? They whip up everything.

Daily Mail - Immigrants are going to cause record surge in covid cases
The Express - Covid is punishment for not loving Princess Diana enough and it's going to snow
The Guardian - Ethnic minorities suffer from covid you bastards

Brilliant. For some people it seems like it’s been a revelation over the past two years that the media outlets broadcast/produce stuff with their own bias.

 

[Ian1779]

Schools haven't a clue what to do with kids any more. Maths still hasn't moved on from the 'you won't always have a calculator with you'.

You clearly know fuck all about teaching Maths.

 

[Ian1779]

Critical thinking and objectionable thinking is long gone.

Imagine a teacher trying to teach that now, sacked within a week.

Not for the reasons you think though. Critical thinking is hugely important, but there is not time for it in the ‘curriculum’ which is largely ticking boxes to satisfy consultants/OFSTED/Trustees.

 

[Nick]

Not for the reasons you think though. Critical thinking is hugely important, but there is not time for it in the ‘curriculum’ which is largely ticking boxes to satisfy consultants/OFSTED/Trustees.

Oh yeah I wasn't blaming individual teachers.

 

[Saddlebrains]

The best bit of this is that Sturgeon and Drakeford are going to look complete melons with the over the top restrictions they've whacked out

 

[skybluetony176]

You clearly know fuck all about teaching Maths.

Even when my kids was at primary I was amazed at how many methods they were taught to come to the same answer. I was at primary late 70’s early 80’s and maths had moved on so much by the time I had kids in primary I was unable to help them with their homework.

 

[wingy]

The best bit of this is that Sturgeon and Drakeford are going to look complete melons with the over the top restrictions they've whacked out

Why is It?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yeah in the vulnerable and the older folk.

Otherwise healthy young adults, could have sent their booster off to vulnerable and older folk elsewhere who needed it more.

What I meant is that, as well as being higher risk, the older age groups vaccination immunity was waning first so they needed the booster which might be reflected in lower hospitalisations currently. The younger age groups (maybe not as young as under 18s) will still need a booster for when their immunity wanes, whether that’s now or early next year.

I’ll rephrase what I said earlier, I think the recentish double jabbed ie under six months and boosters are maybe helping present Omicron as a milder variant

 

[Saddlebrains]

Why is It?

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