Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (210 Viewers)

[Nick]

Mate I think you might need a break

Nah, you can wait and watch Boris try and take all the credit

 

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[Deleted member 9744]

Only thing I'd say is a friend of my Dad's, asthmatic, early 50s so older than you but... double jabbed at the time, five weeks and counting off work because of Covid. It's not just hospitalisation

I know someone in their mid twenties with no known conditions apart from asthma also off work for 5 weeks

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[Nick]

My other half is still negative with both lateral flow and PCR and we've spent pretty much all our time together since Saturday including working from home so it can't be that fucking transmissible.

Same with one of my family members, one had a booster and is now positive. Others in the household all with them (2 adults and a child, adults not boosted) and none of the others have it.

That's why I was asking if immune systems might be weaker just after.

 

[Saddlebrains]

 

[Saddlebrains]

If you consider that a good news thread why are you choosing to ignore its clear message?

I find that a bit confusing?

A point well made.

However things like this help me feel comfortable with only 2 jabs at the moment

 

[clint van damme]

A point well made.

However things like this help me feel comfortable with only 2 jabs at the moment

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Not doubting 2 jabs offer protection but the thread you posted also spoke about further protection from the booster.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Not doubting 2 jabs offer protection but the thread you posted also spoke about further protection from the booster.

As i say, I've not fully closed the door on it, im just keeping a watching brief.

There's a link, however small to Myocarditis and pericarditis from the jabs as we know, and with my arrhythmia thats not good news.

I'm waiting to see what a 3rd jab does to them numbers tbf.

And yes I know covid itself can cause the same issues, but as i say id like to think with 2 jabs amd my immune system at 31 years old should hopefully see me through ok

Understand your point of course

 

[Liquid Gold]

Genuine question without wanting to to start any shit - is there any benefit in me wearing a mask shortly after I recover from covid?

 

[robbiekeane]

Christ with my recent comments if anyone took any notice they would probably think I was anti all-Covid restrictions/rules.

for fuck sake,‘I’m on a train back from London Euston to Coventry and there are three cunts without face masks around me. One of them is coughing his fucking guts out massive bottle of water in front of him red in the face clearly I’ll looks like shit. WHY THE FUCK WOULDNT YOU WEAR A MASK? I got up and asked him why he isn’t he wearing a mask it’s ridiculous and he just shrugged at me and I moved coaches.

Some people are just fucking cunts

 

[LastGarrison]

Just read that there is going to be a bit of a protest in town tomorrow by the water feature by Waterstones against vaccine passports and about the sacking of NHS workers for not having the jab.

Also, the organiser is urging people to listen to Joe Rohan’s podcast with Dr Peter McCullough and buy The Real Anthony Fauci book.

 

[Philosoraptor]

The UK Gov covid dashboard has recently added a new tier for cases.

I believe this was Tuesday.

If you havent seen the UK map, London is starting to turn to this new colour so quickly that they may need to add a new colour tier for cases.

Some places are close to having 3200+ cases per 100,000 population.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

The map shows this is really just the start of this. When further areas are affected more, which they arent a lot behind London, seeing how quickly things have taken hold there.

Things are going to go up like a rocket.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I never usually use a phone with this place. Excuse the english.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The UK Gov covid dashboard has recently added a new tier for cases.

I believe this was Tuesday.

If you havent seen the UK map, London is starting to turn to this new colour so quickly that they may need to add a new colour tier for cases.

Some places are close to having 3200+ cases per 100,000 population.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

The map shows this is really just the start of this. When further areas are affected more, which they arent a lot behind London, seeing how quickly things have taken hold there.

Things are going to go up like a rocket.

London appears to be topping out now mind you

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How dare you BSB !!! I temperature checked, asked recent illness, wiped down chairs (no real use apart from when an old lady had a little accident), ensured that hands were sanitised, distance maintained and mask were worn ! In one entrance, out a different exit. Slick operation !

Take the point though, if omicron is as transmissible as they reckon, a lot of centres are probably decent spreading hubs, especially a few weeks back when they were making people wait 15 mins post Pfizer jab ...actually maybe that’s when I caught it again, not from my mate...dirty fuckers !

Not a slight at you Steve, though you know my thoughts on surface transmission measures

I would still be certain that the bulk of cases weren’t picked up at the vaccination centre, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if a small number were because it’s so infectious.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Genuine question without wanting to to start any shit - is there any benefit in me wearing a mask shortly after I recover from covid?

I would say yes until we know more about the reinfection rates.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Not a slight at you Steve, though you know my thoughts on surface transmission measures

I would still be certain that the bulk of cases weren’t picked up at the vaccination centre, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if a small number were because it’s so infectious.

I was kidding and yes, I do know your views on surface transmission....and agree ! I still had to wipe down to make people feel more comfortable. To be fair, it’s hygienic too anyway (I wasn’t joking about the poor old lady either !)

 

[shmmeee]

So as long as it’s R rate is less than 3 times that of previous strains were golden.

 

[Saddlebrains]

I mean its almost as if people have been saying for weeks that this is mild and we'll be fine....

 

[Liquid Gold]

I don't know if this is a symptom but I feel like it's properly messed up my thinking

I'm getting side tracked mid thoughts, unable to explain basic stuff to someone even though I know what I mean in my head and just generally forgetting what I'm doing.

Calling it COVID brain right now.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I mean its almost as if people have been saying for weeks that this is mild and we'll be fine....

Loads of people said that about other waves too, just good that it seems to be true for this one but shit we have 150,00 dead people because it wasn't for others so I understand caution.

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

There were a number of studies from South Africa where it originated that stated Omicron was a mild strain so glad to it being vindicated by our scientists

Scotland, Wales and NI may have jumped too early with additional restrictions, be interesting to see what will be announced after Xmas, hopefully just the continuation of wearing face coverings

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[David O'Day]

There were a number of studies from South Africa where it originated that stated Omicron was a mild strain so glad to it being vindicated by our scientists

Scotland, Wales and NI may have jumped too early with additional restrictions, be interesting to see what will be announced after Xmas, hopefully just the continuation of wearing face coverings

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How many times do people have to point out to you that basic maths shows that even a mild strain of a virus if transmitted enough can cause carnage in the health care system.

This is the issue

 

[clint van damme]

I mean its almost as if people have been saying for weeks that this is mild and we'll be fine....

The professionals have been saying let's wait until the data's in to be sure and it's still not in.

What's going on in SA isn't a like for like comparison, their population demographic is different to ours.

I think it will be ok but like you and 'the people who've been saying for weeks' it will be fine I'm not qualified so happy to trust the professionals.

 

[Nick]

How many times do people have to point out to you that basic maths shows that even a mild strain of a virus if transmitted enough can cause carnage in the health care system.

This is the issue

It's as if some might be gutted if it's really not a massive issue.

Maybe you could give a daily update on obesity levels if this isn't a big issue. People could call obese people selfish for not caring about the NHS.

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

How many times do people have to point out to you that basic maths shows that even a mild strain of a virus if transmitted enough can cause carnage in the health care system.

This is the issue

It's been here for a number of weeks now and the hospitalisations are not near the levels earlier in the year with Delta being the primary variant

It's a good news story and I'm hoping things stay the same as they are over the rest of the winter period

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[Sky Blue Pete]

It's as if some might be gutted if it's really not a massive issue.

It might be like shmmee says it’s about numbers infected

Your question has been asked lots on the news today. Is it mild because it’s mild or because of antibodies and vaccines and the answer seems to be possibly

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'll tell you what happens at A&E at present...

You get a letter from your doctor, you go along but you're not let inside as there are too many people waiting already. Once you *are* let inside, you're not allowed to take anyone in with you, so even though you're at death's door, the best they can do is push you inside in the wheelchair, walk out, see the doors shut behind you and wonder if you'll ever see that person again...

Then you wait for hours to be seen, before eventually you are. Then you're admitted, and placed on a bed for yet more hours, waiting for a space on a ward. These spaces are under pressure because, of course, at this stage any infection from Covid could finish you off because you're so weak, and you don't want bellends pointing out you got Covid when in hospital, so its not *really* Covid that killed you. You then get your bed in a ward where they keep the windows open if at all possible (but of course the time of year is not great for that, so it's a payoff of freezing your patients, and giving adequate ventilation in criminally underfunded buildings) and give you a Covid test daily, because any infection spreading in the ward could finish off all who are there with you... and you don't want bellends pointing out you got Covid when in hospital, so its not *really* Covid that killed you. No visitors for that reason either, as they absolutely *need* to keep infection away from you.

Then you get rehabilitated as quickly as they can, and sent home as soon as they can because, even more so than usually, they *need* the beds for the next queue of people waiting for admission. Then again, it might be too soon really, but you haven't seen your family for a couple of weeks, and they haven't seen you, and they need to tell you that they love you. You've avoided being finished off by Covid too, by the measures put in place, but those measures restrict capacity too, of course... exacerbated by an underfunded system, that means there's no spare resource available for a crisis.

And rinse and repeat. Actually, this time we were allowed to bypass A&E and go direct to the ward. Of course, all I could do was sit in a corridor and wait for my Dad before taking him home, where he'll be spending Christmas without his wife for the first time in over 50 years. At least this time I could hold my Mum's hand at home for half an hour, tell her I love her... and pray I get to see her again. I have a present on the stairs from my Mum and I don't know if I can open it, it upsets me too much. At least she got to see me married last year, even if it could only be both sets of parents there. Not what I wanted but, if I'd left it for this year, she'd have never been able to travel.

So, for those who want to tell me that I want to be scared, those who bang on in surety about the fact that we need no restrictions, those who bang on about people dying with, not of Omicron, I want you to consider this...

The policy has always been to protect the NHS. The transmissability of it can overtake any protection that is there if it does turn out to be milder. That is why people are analysing data, rather than just concluding it automatically. That is entirely right and proper.

Deaths are not the sole thing, it's capacity in the health system - capacity to help people like my Mum and to keep her safe, not to make her a statistic that well, she's old anyway. Not, for that matter, to keep her occupying a bed that could be needed for somebody else, because we didn't take measures to protect from complications.

This time last year, a friend's Dad had a fall. He would have recovered from that, but he caught Covid in hospital, died. This year, my friend has Christmas without his Dad around for the first time. He doesn't really care about semantics, what he does know is that without Covid his Dad would still be here.

Wearing a mask, taking a LFT doesn't actually stop you from doing anything. It's incredibly stupid to not try and slow the spread of something before you know what you're dealing with. One lesson we should have learned from March 2020, and 'look at Italy' type posts at the beginning of this thread. I fear I was guilty of that, too. We are in so much a better place than this time last yar, and it would be madness to throw that away on a whim. Better to be cautious, and then celebrate the fact that there is light at the end of a tunnel. Frankly, masks and wfh shouldn't have been taken away in the first place, it makes them so much harder to put back, and they are no big deal really.

So, think of mental health in all ways. My Christmas is trashed, completely. I can't go and see my Mum because they can't let Covid spread to people like her, where vaccine or no, it would have a damned good chance of taking her out before they get a chance to try and save her. Of course, we all hope this variant is actually not *too* bad, that it can blow through fast and then things can start to lift up a little. But, life is not just about me or you... a civilised society looks out for one another, a civilised society learns from the past, a civilised society is prepared to sacrifice a little for the greater good and, again, as it stands what does wearing a mask, taking a LFT actually stop you from doing?

A civilised society listens to the medical experts. Now that is critical thinking... not just looking for the ones that vindicate what you want to happen. We all want our 'old' lives back, it's been hard for all of us. But to get to that point, we have to trust in the consensus of medical experts, and actually show some critical thinking to not try and go down random rabbit holes.

And most of all, remember that you don't know anybody's situation on here, we can all be suffering.

Should I leave this post up, really? I don't like personal posts, really. But, this thread, and board, is getting so full of gung-ho attitudes that are understandable, maybe, because who wants to be restricted. They're not necessarily helpful, however. This thread and board is also getting a prevelance of rather destructive posts that are downright wrong, and damaging, really.

 

[Nick]

It might be like shmmee says it’s about numbers infected

Your question has been asked lots on the news today. Is it mild because it’s mild or because of antibodies and vaccines and the answer seems to be possibly

Oh of course is going to be entirely down to the vaccine.

There needs to be reason for number 4.

 

[chiefdave]

So as long as it’s R rate is less than 3 times that of previous strains were golden.

Only data on R rate specifically for the variant I can find is a week old and puts it between 3.5 and 5. Remember the good old days when we were worried it might go over 1?!

 

[David O'Day]

It's been here for a number of weeks now and the hospitalisations are not near the levels earlier in the year with Delta being the primary variant

It's a good news story and I'm hoping things stay the same as they are over the rest of the winter period

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Yes and there's a lag on hospitalisations of around 17 days so we won't know for a while what the situation will be.

It's perfectly sensible for the devolved admins to plan ahead and give business the clarity and support they will need rather than the Westminster mix message style that means people cancel plans but business gets very little support

 

[SBT]

Omicron being so weak that it’s mostly harmless to our healthcare system would be fucking brilliant news. But people wanting to take a victory lap for calling it two weeks ago based on nothing more than their own assumptions and some stuff they saw on Twitter? Nah.

 

[Nick]

And rinse and repeat. Actually, this time we were allowed to bypass A&E and go direct to the ward. Of course, all I could do was sit in a corridor and wait for my Dad before taking him home, where he'll be spending Christmas without his wife for the first time in over 50 years. At least this time I could hold my Mum's hand at home for half an hour, tell her I love her... and pray I get to see her again. I have a present on the stairs from my Mum and I don't know if I can open it, it upsets me too much. At least she got to see me married last year, even if it could only be both sets of parents there. Not what I wanted but, if I'd left it for this year, she'd have never been able to travel.

So, for those who want to tell me that I want to be scared, those who bang on in surety about the fact that we need no restrictions, those who bang on about people dying with, not of Omicron, I want you to consider this...

The policy has always been to protect the NHS. The transmissability of it can overtake any protection that is there if it does turn out to be milder. That is why people are analysing data, rather than just concluding it automatically. That is entirely right and proper.

Deaths are not the sole thing, it's capacity in the health system - capacity to help people like my Mum and to keep her safe, not to make her a statistic that well, she's old anyway. Not, for that matter, to keep her occupying a bed that could be needed for somebody else, because we didn't take measures to protect from complications.

This time last year, a friend's Dad had a fall. He would have recovered from that, but he caught Covid in hospital, died. This year, my friend has Christmas without his Dad around for the first time. He doesn't really care about semantics, what he does know is that without Covid his Dad would still be here.

Wearing a mask, taking a LFT doesn't actually stop you from doing anything. It's incredibly stupid to not try and slow the spread of something before you know what you're dealing with. One lesson we should have learned from March 2020, and 'look at Italy' type posts at the beginning of this thread. I fear I was guilty of that, too. We are in so much a better place than this time last yar, and it would be madness to throw that away on a whim. Better to be cautious, and then celebrate the fact that there is light at the end of a tunnel. Frankly, masks and wfh shouldn't have been taken away in the first place, it makes them so much harder to put back, and they are no big deal really.

So, think of mental health in all ways. My Christmas is trashed, completely. I can't go and see my Mum because they can't let Covid spread to people like her, where vaccine or no, it would have a damned good chance of taking her out before they get a chance to try and save her. Of course, we all hope this variant is actually not *too* bad, that it can blow through fast and then things can start to lift up a little. But, life is not just about me or you... a civilised society looks out for one another, a civilised society learns from the past, a civilised society is prepared to sacrifice a little for the greater good and, again, as it stands what does wearing a mask, taking a LFT actually stop you from doing?

A civilised society listens to the medical experts. Now that is critical thinking... not just looking for the ones that vindicate what you want to happen. We all want our 'old' lives back, it's been hard for all of us. But to get to that point, we have to trust in the consensus of medical experts, and actually show some critical thinking to not try and go down random rabbit holes.

And most of all, remember that you don't know anybody's situation on here, we can all be suffering.

Should I leave this post up, really? I don't like personal posts, really. But, this thread, and board, is getting so full of gung-ho attitudes that are understandable, maybe, because who wants to be restricted. They're not necessarily helpful, however. This thread and board is also getting a prevelance of rather destructive posts that are downright wrong, and damaging, really.

Obviously hoping your mum is ok and your dad has the best Christmas he can. You can't waste time worrying no matter how hard it is. Make the most of every minute while you can. (In general, not just for people in hospital)

However like some of your other examples, death isn't a new thing. So many people will be without loved ones this year for plenty of reasons amongst covid.

Nobody is throwing anything away, if anything its the people at the top. Mental health works in many ways, yes there will be the worry of people ill in hospital. There's also people who can't go and visit relatives or even see them and it might well be their last Christmas.

People have been sacrificing for 2 years now and the medical experts and people making decisions have mostly been wrong anyway. It's OK saying "wear a mask" or "get an LFT and your jab". Over time that will wane because people get fed up of sacrificing at different points after goalposts keep being moved time after time.

Again. Everybody is now obsessing about protecting the NHS when it comes to covid. Maybe going forward after this has finished( which hopefully is soon) then they will be a bit more mindful of it. Maybe the media and government can publish stats every day of how many preventable hospital admissions there are every day compared to people like your mum who really need it.

It isn't always a case of listen to the medical experts, they aren't always right. Maybe if they were then I wouldn't have been a parent down for the past 23 christmases. Maybe another doctor wouldn't have been trying to treat somebody else's Skin Cancer with wart treatment that could have ended up the same way if they didn't "question the medical experts" and then get rushed in for treatment.

Hopefully your mum will go in, get sorted and stay clear of anything and be home soon!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And rinse and repeat. Actually, this time we were allowed to bypass A&E and go direct to the ward. Of course, all I could do was sit in a corridor and wait for my Dad before taking him home, where he'll be spending Christmas without his wife for the first time in over 50 years. At least this time I could hold my Mum's hand at home for half an hour, tell her I love her... and pray I get to see her again. I have a present on the stairs from my Mum and I don't know if I can open it, it upsets me too much. At least she got to see me married last year, even if it could only be both sets of parents there. Not what I wanted but, if I'd left it for this year, she'd have never been able to travel.

So, for those who want to tell me that I want to be scared, those who bang on in surety about the fact that we need no restrictions, those who bang on about people dying with, not of Omicron, I want you to consider this...

The policy has always been to protect the NHS. The transmissability of it can overtake any protection that is there if it does turn out to be milder. That is why people are analysing data, rather than just concluding it automatically. That is entirely right and proper.

Deaths are not the sole thing, it's capacity in the health system - capacity to help people like my Mum and to keep her safe, not to make her a statistic that well, she's old anyway. Not, for that matter, to keep her occupying a bed that could be needed for somebody else, because we didn't take measures to protect from complications.

This time last year, a friend's Dad had a fall. He would have recovered from that, but he caught Covid in hospital, died. This year, my friend has Christmas without his Dad around for the first time. He doesn't really care about semantics, what he does know is that without Covid his Dad would still be here.

Wearing a mask, taking a LFT doesn't actually stop you from doing anything. It's incredibly stupid to not try and slow the spread of something before you know what you're dealing with. One lesson we should have learned from March 2020, and 'look at Italy' type posts at the beginning of this thread. I fear I was guilty of that, too. We are in so much a better place than this time last yar, and it would be madness to throw that away on a whim. Better to be cautious, and then celebrate the fact that there is light at the end of a tunnel. Frankly, masks and wfh shouldn't have been taken away in the first place, it makes them so much harder to put back, and they are no big deal really.

So, think of mental health in all ways. My Christmas is trashed, completely. I can't go and see my Mum because they can't let Covid spread to people like her, where vaccine or no, it would have a damned good chance of taking her out before they get a chance to try and save her. Of course, we all hope this variant is actually not *too* bad, that it can blow through fast and then things can start to lift up a little. But, life is not just about me or you... a civilised society looks out for one another, a civilised society learns from the past, a civilised society is prepared to sacrifice a little for the greater good and, again, as it stands what does wearing a mask, taking a LFT actually stop you from doing?

A civilised society listens to the medical experts. Now that is critical thinking... not just looking for the ones that vindicate what you want to happen. We all want our 'old' lives back, it's been hard for all of us. But to get to that point, we have to trust in the consensus of medical experts, and actually show some critical thinking to not try and go down random rabbit holes.

And most of all, remember that you don't know anybody's situation on here, we can all be suffering.

Should I leave this post up, really? I don't like personal posts, really. But, this thread, and board, is getting so full of gung-ho attitudes that are understandable, maybe, because who wants to be restricted. They're not necessarily helpful, however. This thread and board is also getting a prevelance of rather destructive posts that are downright wrong, and damaging, really.

As it was this year, we had to postpone a wedding by a week because of 3 days’ difference between a vastly reduced service and a normal one. Of course, my last grandparent suddenly and unexpectedly dies in the intervening week. Last Christmas I couldn’t see them then either again because I was 3 days’ short of being able to quarantine for 10 beforehand.

Now I have had some arsey comments for not wanting to travel down while there’s over 100,000 cases a day of something where we still don’t have solid data and I’ve just been boosted for a week. We have got to learn to respect people’s choices if they seem more reluctant than the average person to engage in stuff.

 

[Nick]

As it was this year, we had to postpone a wedding by a week because of 3 days’ difference between a vastly reduced service and a normal one. Of course, my last grandparent suddenly and unexpectedly dies in the intervening week. Last Christmas I couldn’t see them then either again because I was 3 days’ short of being able to quarantine for 10 beforehand.

Now I have had some arsey comments for not wanting to travel down while there’s over 100,000 cases a day of something where we still don’t have solid data and I’ve just been boosted for a week. We have got to learn to respect people’s choices if they seem more reluctant than the average person to engage in stuff.

There is no respect for people's choices. A lot of it is down to all the hate mongering in the media. Same with Brexit, just depending on how you voted you are killing the country either way.

Same with all the "you are selfish and will kill old people" we have seen through covid. Works both ways with that too.

Up to you if you don't want to travel and do things.