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Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
As it was this year, we had to postpone a wedding by a week because of 3 days’ difference between a vastly reduced service and a normal one. Of course, my last grandparent suddenly and unexpectedly dies in the intervening week. Last Christmas I couldn’t see them then either again because I was 3 days’ short of being able to quarantine for 10 beforehand.

Now I have had some arsey comments for not wanting to travel down while there’s over 100,000 cases a day of something where we still don’t have solid data and I’ve just been boosted for a week. We have got to learn to respect people’s choices if they seem more reluctant than the average person to engage in stuff.
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I’ve been learning that
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Nick said:
There is no respect for people's choices. A lot of it is down to all the hate mongering in the media. Same with Brexit, just depending on how you voted you are killing the country either way.

Same with all the "you are selfish and will kill old people" we have seen through covid. Works both ways with that too.
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It does, and that annoys me just as much. But it does grate on me that people who in my view have used the rules in the past disproportionately with respect to the risk don’t like it going the other way. Just respect people’s choices
 
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Kieranp96

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Update on me, had a bad night last night started having pains in my chest, they mentioned something about pre heart attack, i was dealing with translation as not in uk, but today everything seems ok Phunomia started clearing up, chest pain still there but thsy said maybe a miscle strain from coughing.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Kieranp96 said:
Update on me, had a bad night last night started having pains in my chest, they mentioned something about pre heart attack, i was dealing with translation as not in uk, but today everything seems ok Phunomia started clearing up, chest pain still there but thsy said maybe a miscle strain from coughing.
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Glad to hear you're on the mend. Chest pains are pretty scary but you feel a complete idiot when it turns out to be nothing.

Happened to me in the gym. Suddenly had a massive pain in my chest and was struggling to breathe. Convinced it was game over but turned out I'd pulled a chest muscle. In my defence the paramedic did say it would feel pretty much identical to a heart attack.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Kieranp96 said:
Update on me, had a bad night last night started having pains in my chest, they mentioned something about pre heart attack, i was dealing with translation as not in uk, but today everything seems ok Phunomia started clearing up, chest pain still there but thsy said maybe a miscle strain from coughing.
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That sounds grim mate. Hope you feel better soon.
 
baldy

baldy

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Kieranp96 said:
Update on me, had a bad night last night started having pains in my chest, they mentioned something about pre heart attack, i was dealing with translation as not in uk, but today everything seems ok Phunomia started clearing up, chest pain still there but thsy said maybe a miscle strain from coughing.
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Soooo nothing to do with covid & you basically just had a cough?
 
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Nick said:
There is no respect for people's choices. A lot of it is down to all the hate mongering in the media. Same with Brexit, just depending on how you voted you are killing the country either way.

Same with all the "you are selfish and will kill old people" we have seen through covid. Works both ways with that too.

Up to you if you don't want to travel and do things.
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Not up to me if someone close to me has to go to work on public transport, and a bellend won't wear a mask.
 
Nick

Nick

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Not up to me if someone close to me has to go to work on public transport, and a bellend won't wear a mask.
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Don't sit near them, ensure their mask is top of the range all singing all dancing to protect them a bit more.

There's plenty of ways round it other than just making out the bloke is a serial killer when in reality you don't know their reasoning or situation either.
 
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Nick said:
Don't sit near them, ensure their mask is top of the range all singing all dancing to protect them a bit more.

There's plenty of ways round it other than just making out the bloke is a serial killer when in reality you don't know their reasoning or situation either.
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Fucking hell. So easy to move about on a packed commuter train, you really do need to stf up really, because you're getting more and more upsetting.

I don't care about their reasoning. If they have a genuine medical reason that's fine, but I don't give a shit if they consider wearing a mask an infringement on their ability to do what they want.
 
Nick

Nick

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Deleted member 5849 said:
I don't care about their reasoning. If they have a genuine medical reason that's fine, but I don't give a shit if they consider wearing a mask an infringement on their ability to do what they want.
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Have you been to pubs, football grounds, restaurants, cinemas etc in the past few months?

All you can do is protect and look after yourself, there will be people with and without masks. Granted a lot of that changes with rule changes and it's "voluntary" but even then it's going to happen.

Even now, huge shops aren't even forcing their staff to wear them while working next to the public.

What next? Not letting people get onto a train and sit by somebody if they haven't had every jab, just in case? I get that it makes people feel anxious but all they can do is look after themselves as best they can.
 
duffer

duffer

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Liquid Gold said:
Genuine question without wanting to to start any shit - is there any benefit in me wearing a mask shortly after I recover from covid?
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To you as an individual, possibly not. But to you as part of a wider community, I'd say definitely yes.

My thinking is this: At the moment we want to reduce transmission, and one way of doing it is to encourage people to wear masks, particularly indoors and on public transport.

You personally may not be at risk of transmitting or catching the virus at the moment, but plenty of people obviously are. I would argue that the more people who wear masks in enclosed environments, the more it becomes normalised, and the more it encourages others to do the same.

To my mind, that benefits everyone.

Personally, I also think that it's the polite thing to do. Why needlessly add to the anxiety of people who work in public facing jobs, or that have to sit next to you on a bus or train. It's a minor inconvenience at most and you can take some small amount of pride in the fact that it's a small, selfless act for the benefit of others.

And before anyone daft jumps in, the science behind mask-wearing to reduce transmission is pretty well-founded. Below is a link to a recent 'systematic review', i.e. a study of studies. There's a lot more stuff out there that supports the theory...

www.bmj.com

Effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality: systematic review and meta-analysis

Objective To review the evidence on the effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality. Design Systematic review and meta-analysis. Data sources Medline, Embase, CINAHL, Biosis, Joanna Briggs, Global Health, and...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com
 
Nick

Nick

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Fucking hell. So easy to move about on a packed commuter train, you really do need to stf up really, because you're getting more and more upsetting.
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Upsetting? Really?

I'm not sure the fingers in ears everybody be quiet unless they agree with me stuff really helps, have a wander around Tesco later and see how many people have masks on. Stick your head in a pub and see how many do, go in a petrol station and see how many do.

All I am saying is that all people can really do is make sure they look after themselves as much as possible.

You say about being able to make personal choices but then on the other hand you want people to say things you want to hear and act how you want to act.

Would I want to make somebody feel comfortable who is anxious? Course I would, not everybody is the same though. It's the reality of it all.
 
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CCFCSteve

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I think the long and the short of it is, based on the data coming through we might/are hopefully in a position to handle Omicron...well, certainly better than some. Let’s just hope the hospitalisations stay sufficiently under control to stop/minimise further restrictions and measures

In the meantime let’s respect each others positions and the current restrictions/measures in place (which, let’s be honest are fuck all in the grand scheme of things !).

NW I hope your mums ok and your Christmas improves. Kieran and LG I hope symptoms subside, especially yours keiran, doesn’t sound great so call 111 or 999 if you take a turn for the worse !
 
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Kieranp96

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CCFCSteve said:
I think the long and the short of it is, based on the data coming through we might/are hopefully in a position to handle Omicron...well, certainly better than some. Let’s just hope the hospitalisations stay sufficiently under control to stop/minimise further restrictions and measures

In the meantime let’s respect each others positions and the current restrictions/measures in place (which, let’s be honest are fuck all in the grand scheme of things !).

NW I hope your mums ok and your Christmas improves. Kieran and LG I hope symptoms subside, especially yours keiran, doesn’t sound great so call 111 or 999 if you take a turn for the worse !
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Appreciate that im good but 999/111 wont do me any good i am not in the uk, bit definitely will keep an eye out im on a heart monitor for 48 hours now.
 
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Deleted member 5849 said:
And rinse and repeat. Actually, this time we were allowed to bypass A&E and go direct to the ward. Of course, all I could do was sit in a corridor and wait for my Dad before taking him home, where he'll be spending Christmas without his wife for the first time in over 50 years. At least this time I could hold my Mum's hand at home for half an hour, tell her I love her... and pray I get to see her again. I have a present on the stairs from my Mum and I don't know if I can open it, it upsets me too much. At least she got to see me married last year, even if it could only be both sets of parents there. Not what I wanted but, if I'd left it for this year, she'd have never been able to travel.

So, for those who want to tell me that I want to be scared, those who bang on in surety about the fact that we need no restrictions, those who bang on about people dying with, not of Omicron, I want you to consider this...

The policy has always been to protect the NHS. The transmissability of it can overtake any protection that is there if it does turn out to be milder. That is why people are analysing data, rather than just concluding it automatically. That is entirely right and proper.

Deaths are not the sole thing, it's capacity in the health system - capacity to help people like my Mum and to keep her safe, not to make her a statistic that well, she's old anyway. Not, for that matter, to keep her occupying a bed that could be needed for somebody else, because we didn't take measures to protect from complications.

This time last year, a friend's Dad had a fall. He would have recovered from that, but he caught Covid in hospital, died. This year, my friend has Christmas without his Dad around for the first time. He doesn't really care about semantics, what he does know is that without Covid his Dad would still be here.

Wearing a mask, taking a LFT doesn't actually stop you from doing anything. It's incredibly stupid to not try and slow the spread of something before you know what you're dealing with. One lesson we should have learned from March 2020, and 'look at Italy' type posts at the beginning of this thread. I fear I was guilty of that, too. We are in so much a better place than this time last yar, and it would be madness to throw that away on a whim. Better to be cautious, and then celebrate the fact that there is light at the end of a tunnel. Frankly, masks and wfh shouldn't have been taken away in the first place, it makes them so much harder to put back, and they are no big deal really.

So, think of mental health in all ways. My Christmas is trashed, completely. I can't go and see my Mum because they can't let Covid spread to people like her, where vaccine or no, it would have a damned good chance of taking her out before they get a chance to try and save her. Of course, we all hope this variant is actually not *too* bad, that it can blow through fast and then things can start to lift up a little. But, life is not just about me or you... a civilised society looks out for one another, a civilised society learns from the past, a civilised society is prepared to sacrifice a little for the greater good and, again, as it stands what does wearing a mask, taking a LFT actually stop you from doing?

A civilised society listens to the medical experts. Now that is critical thinking... not just looking for the ones that vindicate what you want to happen. We all want our 'old' lives back, it's been hard for all of us. But to get to that point, we have to trust in the consensus of medical experts, and actually show some critical thinking to not try and go down random rabbit holes.

And most of all, remember that you don't know anybody's situation on here, we can all be suffering.

Should I leave this post up, really? I don't like personal posts, really. But, this thread, and board, is getting so full of gung-ho attitudes that are understandable, maybe, because who wants to be restricted. They're not necessarily helpful, however. This thread and board is also getting a prevelance of rather destructive posts that are downright wrong, and damaging, really.
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...and now somebody in her ward has tested positive for Covid...
 
baldy

baldy

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chiefdave said:
We fucked this up from the start. Other countries masks were mandatory while we allowed exemptions and then allowed people to self declare exemptions with no proof required.
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But there’s no proof that face muzzles work either - especially when most of the people wearing masks on public transport probably take them off,put them in their pocket,put them back on,then off again
Masks are just theatre as far as I’m concerned
 
Skybluefaz

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baldy said:
But there’s no proof that face muzzles work either - especially when most of the people wearing masks on public transport probably take them off,put them in their pocket,put them back on,then off again
Masks are just theatre as far as I’m concerned
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What you doing for Xmas this year? Bombay bad boy or chicken and mushroom?
 
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