Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (46 Viewers)

baldy

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ok so would you want a surgeon treating you without hepatitis jabs and would you want a blood transfusion from someone with HIV - after all itvs surely their basic human rights not to have to have the jab or disclose a medical condition


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Saddlebrains

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So, just to gauge opinion

You're having a heart attack. An unjabbed Doctor/nurse/ paramedic whatever, who may have the virus is first on the scene


Are you telling them 'na you aint jabbed?'

Also, devils advocate again, I've had my jabs. Yet i had covid. Wouldnt have known without a test

If i was a doctor, i could have passed it on to any patient i saw. Whys that different to the unjabbed?
 

ajsccfc

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Also, devils advocate again, I've had my jabs. Yet i had covid. Wouldnt have known without a test

If i was a doctor, i could have passed it on to any patient i saw. Whys that different to the unjabbed?

You can't guarantee that you won't catch it, but a vaccine lessens your chances of doing so and logically someone less likely to have it is less likely to spread it. I'd hope that anyone working directly with seriously ill people would take any chance they have to reduce risk
 

Saddlebrains

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You can't guarantee that you won't catch it, but a vaccine lessens your chances of doing so and logically someone less likely to have it is less likely to spread it. I'd hope that anyone working directly with seriously ill people would take any chance they have to reduce risk

Does it?

I thought it stops you getting seriously ill?

Pretty sure it's shown that vaccines do next to fuck all for spread considering the hundreds of thousands of cases a day we've had
 

Sick Boy

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So, just to gauge opinion

You're having a heart attack. An unjabbed Doctor/nurse/ paramedic whatever, who may have the virus is first on the scene


Are you telling them 'na you aint jabbed?'

Also, devils advocate again, I've had my jabs. Yet i had covid. Wouldnt have known without a test

If i was a doctor, i could have passed it on to any patient i saw. Whys that different to the unjabbed?
Does this apply to all vaccines? If not, why?
 

ajsccfc

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Does it?

I thought it stops you getting seriously ill?

Pretty sure it's shown that vaccines do next to fuck all for spread considering the hundreds of thousands of cases a day we've had

They do help lower the chances of serious illness and death, along with it the chances of infection. If no vaccines were available the number of cases would still be higher than they are.
 

Sick Boy

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No, just Covid. Because no one would have gave a shit pre covid if the paramedic treating them wasnt jabbed against fucking meningitis etc so as i say just trying to see the thoughts
I’ve only ever met one proper no vaxx (any vaccine) person and they were off their head - I’d rather not be treated by someone like that because they’d probably favour fucking crystals.
Depressingly, I expect more widespread anti-vaccine sentiment will end up being around for a while after the pandemic.
 

mr_monkey

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No, just Covid. Because no one would have gave a shit pre covid if the paramedic treating them wasnt jabbed against fucking meningitis etc so as i say just trying to see the thoughts

To even be in Medical school you need to vaccinated against meningitis so....
 

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SBT

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So, just to gauge opinion

You're having a heart attack. An unjabbed Doctor/nurse/ paramedic whatever, who may have the virus is first on the scene


Are you telling them 'na you aint jabbed?'

Also, devils advocate again, I've had my jabs. Yet i had covid. Wouldnt have known without a test

If i was a doctor, i could have passed it on to any patient i saw. Whys that different to the unjabbed?

This is a moronic comparison and I can’t believe we’re still doing this. In a true emergency, of course it doesn’t matter - if my plane is crashing and the only pilot on board is drunk, then I don’t mind if he tries to save me. But pilots should still have to be sober to fly (even if, yes, sober pilots can crash planes too).

I expect health professionals to pose as little risk to their patients as possible, which is why I want them to be vaccinated against every conceivable illness that could threaten me. It’s worrying to me that a decent chunk of them don’t share the level of professionalism that I would expect.

It is at least comforting that the vaccine mandate did part of its job, which is to persuade many people to get the jab anyway. Because as we’ve seen, while there are undoubtedly many staunch anti-vaxxers who will never get it, there are even more vaccine skeptics who are too cowardly to crow about its supposed dangers without first getting the vaccine themselves and enjoying its protections. Vaccine mandates like the ones for health care workers and for travel quickly show how flimsy these vaccine skeptic arguments are - you only have to look at how quickly people abandon them.
 
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baldy

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This is a moronic comparison and I can’t believe we’re still doing this. In a true emergency, of course it doesn’t matter - if my plane is crashing and the only pilot on board is drunk, then I don’t mind if he tries to save me. But pilots should still have to be sober to fly (even if, yes, sober pilots can crash planes too).

I expect health professionals to pose as little risk to their patients as possible, which is why I want them to be vaccinated against every conceivable illness that could threaten me. It’s worrying to me that a decent chunk of them don’t share the level of professionalism that I would expect.

It is at least comforting that the vaccine mandate did part of its job, which is to persuade many people to get the jab anyway. Because as we’ve seen, while there are undoubtedly many staunch anti-vaxxers who will never get it, there are even more vaccine skeptics who are too cowardly to crow about its supposed dangers without first getting the vaccine themselves and enjoying its protections. Vaccine mandates like the ones for health care workers and for travel quickly show how flimsy these vaccine skeptic arguments are - you only have to look at how quickly people abandon them.

Persuade? Don’t you mean bully?
 

chiefdave

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So, just to gauge opinion

You're having a heart attack. An unjabbed Doctor/nurse/ paramedic whatever, who may have the virus is first on the scene


Are you telling them 'na you aint jabbed?'

Also, devils advocate again, I've had my jabs. Yet i had covid. Wouldnt have known without a test

If i was a doctor, i could have passed it on to any patient i saw. Whys that different to the unjabbed?
In an emergency nobody is going to check if the person treating you is jabbed or not, that's a ridiculous suggestion. You would act the same as people do now, you'd trust that the appropriate regulations are in place to minimise any risk to you.
 

Kieranp96

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Wife & I both had Moderna booster & no side effects at all. Felt worse after my first (Pfizer) jab.
Always exceptions I guess, I guess its mostly because the pzifer don't give any reaction most the time so I guess reaction from 1/3 isn't to bad but with most having Pfizer for 1sr and 2nd only
No Pfizer.

Pretty much back to normal this morning.
good to hear, im getting moderna when i can i expect side effects so will be relaxing,
 

chiefdave

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Saw a post on the local Facebook group that since the government dropped masks in schools cases have gone through the roof which has led to increased absence and as a result masks are being re-introduced. Nobody could have possibly predicted that.

Quick google suggests they are far from the only school having this problem.

 

baldy

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Saw a post on the local Facebook group that since the government dropped masks in schools cases have gone through the roof which has led to increased absence and as a result masks are being re-introduced. Nobody could have possibly predicted that.

Quick google suggests they are far from the only school having this problem.


Cases as in kids sniffling 🤦🏻
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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At my lads school if anybody in the house gets it they are not allowed in but at my daughters special school it doesn’t apply.

My wife is a nurse had all three jabs, has had covid twice with no symptoms.

My view on people having the jabs would be if you have had your jabs and get it receive full sick pay no jabs basic pay.
 

chiefdave

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Cases as in kids sniffling 🤦🏻
Deaths are the highest they've been in a year.

In no doubt completely unrelated news:
The daily COVID death number will no longer be published by Easter, a senior Whitehall source has told the i.

It would be part of government plans to "live with" the virus.

A source familiar with the plans told the newspaper: "The prime minister has pencilled in Easter as the latest date by which the daily COVID statistics will be published in their current form.

"In an ideal situation, he will bring an end to them sooner if the current downward trend in deaths continues."

It would mean the UKHSA would no longer publish a daily dashboard of infections, hospital admissions and death data.
 

fernandopartridge

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It does make for sobering reading. 534 is of concern. There may be a lag but it is not good. As for the govt deciding to stop publishing figures, this just gives off the wrong message. The other day it took them hours to put their scores on the doors.

COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)
It took hours the other day because they've just started publishing reinfections, they're hiding nothing.

I hate the Tories but the data the government publishes is world leading between the dashboard and the ONS infection survey. At a point in time publication of daily data does become meaningless if it hasn't already.
 

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