USSR invades Ukraine. (17 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Good grief.

Quick tell us about some obscure Labour policy from 30 years ago that validates Putin's invasion

what?

 

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[Ian1779]

well I’m referring to a labour policy in its last manifesto but hey ho

Which one exactly?

 

[Grendel]

Which one exactly?

The one I assume that Mr Starmer has now totally distanced himself from

This must be a very difficult time for you as in recent history people in Mr Johnson’s position at these times become very popular

Do you support Ms Sultana wanting to stop Russia in it’s actions?

 

[Grendel]

Cowards and traitors every one of them

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Jesus Christ this is turning into the EU in out shake it all about Brexit bollocks threads.

 

[Grendel]

Jesus Christ this is turning into the EU in out shake it all about Brexit bollocks threads.

I doubt anyone who cares about this country will vote for Sultana again

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Jesus Christ this is turning into the EU in out shake it all about Brexit bollocks threads.

Plus nukes

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

It's not that he cares or not about sanctions. It's more that conditions for the people in Russia including those close to him become so bad Putins power slips.

There will be no WW3 as we won't directly fight in the Ukraine and Putin won't attack a NATO country as that triggers actual conventional war which he can't win.

Nuclear weapons are a nonsense as well as no one is going use them knowing they'll destroy their own country as well.

I don't think that really answers it, obviously nobody wants an all out war so it looks like the only option is to watch on and offer moral support in a fight that looks like ukraine can't win.

What I'm asking, what happens if putin threatens war on countries aiding ukraine or sanctioning Russia, do they call it a bluff that he won't start a war and carry on or do they back down under the threat of war?

 

[Grendel]

I don't think that really answers it, obviously nobody wants an all out war so it looks like the only option is to watch on and offer moral support in a fight that looks like ukraine can't win.

What I'm asking, what happens if putin threatens war on countries aiding ukraine or sanctioning Russia, do they call it a bluff that he won't start a war and carry on or do they back down under the threat of war?

Actually the real problem is if missiles accidentally cross borders and cause casualties in neighbouring countries

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Actually the real problem is if missiles accidentally cross borders and cause casualties in neighbouring countries

Yes I did wonder that also

 

[skybluetony176]

Tom Tugendhat talking some sense on C4 news.

 

[David O'Day]

I don't think that really answers it, obviously nobody wants an all out war so it looks like the only option is to watch on and offer moral support in a fight that looks like ukraine can't win.

What I'm asking, what happens if putin threatens war on countries aiding ukraine or sanctioning Russia, do they call it a bluff that he won't start a war and carry on or do they back down under the threat of war?

It answers it perfectly, Putin will not declare war on the west.

the sanctions are here to stay

 

[PVA]

what?

Sorry quoted wrong person

 

[SBT]

Cowards and traitors every one of them

Their position (which I disagree with) is certainly not as cowardly as “let them get on with it”.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

It answers it perfectly, Putin will not declare war on the west.

the sanctions are here to stay

You seems confident in that, I am by no means an expert so I'll take your word. Sounds like playing a game of poker with a mad man

 

[PVA]

Jesus Christ this is turning into the EU in out shake it all about Brexit bollocks threads.

Because you know who has done nothing except cry about Labour despite it being absolutely nothing to do with Labour

 

[Liquid Gold]

All this stuff is going to push the announcement of the queen's death right back.

 

[David O'Day]

You seems confident in that, I am by no means an expert so I'll take your word. Sounds like playing a game of poker with a mad man

Basically you can take nuclear weapons off the off the table. Mutually assured destruction sees to that.

Putin isn't going to get involved in a conventional war that he can't win. He goes to war against the west then he has to fight a combined force a much bigger and more advanced force than he has while watch his ability to spunk money on war dwindle as his economy crashes.

 

[skybluetony176]

A sizeable protest in St Petersburg tonight, Putins home city. Maybe this isn’t going the way he planned in Russia.

Also some talk that Ukrainian soldiers have taken back the airport and done enough damage to the runway to stop planes landing on it. Big stumbling block for Putin if true.

 

[Grendel]

Their position (which I disagree with) is certainly not as cowardly as “let them get on with it”.

well they want them to get on with it

 

[Ian1779]

The one I assume that Mr Starmer has now totally distanced himself from

This must be a very difficult time for you as in recent history people in Mr Johnson’s position at these times become very popular

Do you support Ms Sultana wanting to stop Russia in it’s actions?

So not an actual policy you have read or know of. Not like you to make something up with no actual evidence to back it up.
FYI - Labour 2019 manifesto said it would reiterate its commitment to be a part of NATO.

I’m more than aware that in times of war the incumbent is more popular - it’s hardly a secret nor a ‘hard time for me’

As for her statement - let’s get it up here and see what it says seeing as you seem to not look for facts before making statements.

 

[Ian1779]

Cowards and traitors every one of them

Again - let’s see the actual statement on here and we can discuss it. Also add in to the mix that this was written before Russia’s invasion not today.

 

[skybluetony176]

I’m just thinking back to the Falklands war when a frightened weak dictatorship invaded it in an attempt to look strong which was actually a sign of weakness and led to it’s downfall. Is it too much to hope that this will go the same way for Putin?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m just thinking back to the Falklands war when a frightened weak dictatorship invaded it in an attempt to look strong which was actually a sign of weakness and led to it’s downfall. Is it too much to hope that this will go the same way for Putin?

It’s telling that despite his dictatorial grip on the press that some over there have been brave enough to call this out on day one.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Basically you can take nuclear weapons off the off the table. Mutually assured destruction sees to that.

Putin isn't going to get involved in a conventional war that he can't win. He goes to war against the west then he has to fight a combined force a much bigger and more advanced force than he has while watch his ability to spunk money on war dwindle as his economy crashes.

I don't see how Ukraine win, so it looks like Russia takes Ukraine and then we hope the sanctions and economic impact of that prevent Russia from doing it again.

 

[David O'Day]

I don't see how Ukraine win, so it looks like Russia takes Ukraine and then we hope the sanctions and economic impact of that prevent Russia from doing it again.

It will become a long drawn out almost guerilla war, the people of the ukriane aren't going to stop

 

[David O'Day]

Again - let’s see the actual statement on here and we can discuss it. Also add in to the mix that this was written before Russia’s invasion not today.

Ignore the stinky Catweezle weirdo.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It will become a long drawn out almost guerilla war, the people of the ukriane aren't going to stop

Putin needs a quick knockout so the defenders have no time to consolidate. Seems like he might not be getting it

 

[David O'Day]

A sizeable protest in St Petersburg tonight, Putins home city. Maybe this isn’t going the way he planned in Russia.

Also some talk that Ukrainian soldiers have taken back the airport and done enough damage to the runway to stop planes landing on it. Big stumbling block for Putin if true.

 

[SBT]

well they want them to get on with it

You’re in good company then!

Bit of a nightmare all round for you, this one.

 

[skybluetony176]

It’s telling that despite his dictatorial grip on the press that some over there have been brave enough to call this out on day one.

Pretty much my thoughts. Suppressing free speech, protest (breaking Covid rules apparently), locking away opposition politicians etc USA sign of weakness not strength. Maybe just maybe these are the actions of a desperate man who is loosing his grip.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Basically you can take nuclear weapons off the off the table. Mutually assured destruction sees to that.

To paraphrase Blackadder:

"The idea was to have huge nuclear arsenals on both sides, so that everyone would be too scared of mutually assured destruction to ever use them. Of course there was one tiny flaw in the plan. It was bollocks!"

 

[Grendel]

You’re in good company then!

Bit of a nightmare all round for you, this one.

You keep saying “bit of a nightmare” - I hate to tell you but this is a football forum which has morons regarding politics who disagree with me like UKIP Tony, David “special brew” O day, the ever so earnest and ever so stupid PVA, the utter hopeless child who pretends he’s a teacher Ian and others who literally have the gravitas of losers in the first round of a 6th form debating society

The politics aspect of this forum misjudges the wider view of the country every single time. It’s just a bunch of sad bitter losers who well at election time just lose

Keep carry on losing

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I’m just thinking back to the Falklands war when a frightened weak dictatorship invaded it in an attempt to look strong which was actually a sign of weakness and led to it’s downfall. Is it too much to hope that this will go the same way for Putin?

Putin has quite a bit more at his disposal than Argentina.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Ignore the stinky Catweezle weirdo.

serious question: how old are you?