USSR invades Ukraine. (18 Viewers)

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duffer

duffer

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Grendel said:
Utter drivel I have no words

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Did you do comprehension at school? Try reading before posting, you'll look a bit less like a deranged fool.

As I said, China isn't exactly a beacon of human rights, but what little we know of North Korea is terrifying, it literally starves its own people to fund its military ambition.

If only you did have no words! I'm utterly bored of your pithy one-sentence retorts that you think make you look like an oracle, whilst everyone else thinks you're a bit of a tit.

For reference, here's Amnesty's report on North Korea.

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Flying Fokker

Flying Fokker

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the two opposing sides:

The link below rolls on to a Ukraine brief on the level of support they say is being given. Does make me wonder how much is really going in?

Live: Watch UA TV (Ukrainian) from Ukraine. (wwitv.com)
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Russia Ukraine war: Boris told unleash £20bn war chest and terrifying weapon 'Putin fears' | UK | News | Express.co.uk


Just wondering, I've taken a fairly Partizan view regarding the defence of Ukraine. I found this on the net. It indicates some of the reasons for the conflict today. Russia Today again...


It is clearly a skewed narrative but includes an American Veteran soldier who has a strange view of American forces.

Donbass, Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow...Youtube
 
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Flying Fokker

Flying Fokker

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tisza said:
Denazification seems a phrase open to all sorts of abuse/ interpretation. Russia can't/won't deal with their own extreme right wing factions.
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They seem to be helping Ukraine deal with their problem of Far Right AZOZ. We live in a strange politic world.
 
Sky Blue Harry H

Sky Blue Harry H

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Second post on here, but assuming Russia has destroyed a lot of Ukraine's cities and gained some sort of 'victory' on the ground. What does it do with Ukraine. Will it have the money to rebuild everything that has been destroyed. or leave it as a wreck? It will never have the hearts and minds of the people left there. What does it do next. with Ukraine. Genuinely perplexed at this aspect of it. Also, surely returning Russian soldiers will spread some of the truth about what is happening versus 'state' version of events. 'Experts' say Putin may put a Belarusian style puppet there, but i would have thought this huge country will be very difficult to 'manage'.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Sky Blue Harry H said:
Second post on here, but (assuming Russia has destroyed a lot of Ukraine's cities and gained some sort of 'victory' on the ground. What does it do with Ukraine. Will it have the money to rebuild everything that has been destroyed. It will never have the hearts and minds of the people left there. What does it do next. with Ukraine. Genuinely perplexed at this aspect of it. Also, surely returning Russian soldiers will spread some of the truth about what is happening versus 'state' version of events.
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Or Syria or Yemen. It’s awful
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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A couple of worrying stories coming out today





Especially the first one. Boris was asked yesterday in PMQ’s if he was willing to work with the opposition to add amendments to 2 bills IIRC being voted on on Monday to mean they can be implemented with immediate effect, the alternative being it takes 18 months for the law changes to come in meaning that oligarchs have a window to get cash and assets out of the UK and Boris was unwilling to commit to that. You can only hope that his back benches are more willing. Surely Boris wouldn’t use the whip to make them vote against the amendments.
 
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CovBrummie94

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Sky Blue Harry H said:
Second post on here, but assuming Russia has destroyed a lot of Ukraine's cities and gained some sort of 'victory' on the ground. What does it do with Ukraine. Will it have the money to rebuild everything that has been destroyed. or leave it as a wreck? It will never have the hearts and minds of the people left there. What does it do next. with Ukraine. Genuinely perplexed at this aspect of it. Also, surely returning Russian soldiers will spread some of the truth about what is happening versus 'state' version of events. 'Experts' say Putin may put a Belarusian style puppet there, but i would have thought this huge country will be very difficult to 'manage'.
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Talk on 5 live of him re-instating Viktor Yanukovych who was ousted in 2014. Sure that would go down well with Ukranian nationals.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Sick Boy said:
www.opendemocracy.net

Revealed: Tories given £44,000 by top official at sanctioned Russian bank

Treasury gave a controversial 30-day grace period to Kremlin-linked VTB Bank – where a senior banker has handed the Tories £44,000 since 2018
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That's infuriating. Then when it says £44k since 2018. That's £11k a year. Chicken feed. Why would you undo your entire political machinery for what is pocket change to a rich banker?

Any they wonder why people have absolutely no faith in politics...
 
RegTheDonk

RegTheDonk

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
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I imagine Ukraine see their decision to give up nukes and not joining NATO as the reason they are now being invaded. Old Eastern bloc members that are in NATO haven't got a Russian invasion to deal with.
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Didn't realise they didn't want to join NATO, I thought that was their goal for some time and the West has dragged its feet. Perhaps this should have been resolved when the Crimea was invaded. However, would that have exculated things anyway and Putin would have invaded there and then, seeing as they were supporting rebels in East Ukraine anyway? Awful dilemma.
 
stupot07

stupot07

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RegTheDonk said:
Didn't realise they didn't want to join NATO, I thought that was their goal for some time and the West has dragged its feet. Perhaps this should have been resolved when the Crimea was invaded. However, would that have exculated things anyway and Putin would have invaded there and then, seeing as they were supporting rebels in East Ukraine anyway? Awful dilemma.
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Joining NATO is Ukraine goal, hence the invasion. And the the invasion proves exactly why they feel they need to join NATO.

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Sick Boy

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skybluetony176 said:
A couple of worrying stories coming out today





Especially the first one. Boris was asked yesterday in PMQ’s if he was willing to work with the opposition to add amendments to 2 bills IIRC being voted on on Monday to mean they can be implemented with immediate effect, the alternative being it takes 18 months for the law changes to come in meaning that oligarchs have a window to get cash and assets out of the UK and Boris was unwilling to commit to that. You can only hope that his back benches are more willing. Surely Boris wouldn’t use the whip to make them vote against the amendments.
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www.theguardian.com

EU urges UK to act faster before Russian assets are spirited away

Officials voice growing frustration over lethargy in hitting oligarchs’ wealth
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CCFCSteve

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
That's infuriating. Then when it says £44k since 2018. That's £11k a year. Chicken feed. Why would you undo your entire political machinery for what is pocket change to a rich banker?

Any they wonder why people have absolutely no faith in politics...
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Yeah, I doubt that £44k was the driver behind the decision. I agree that the government need to stop dragging their feet with oligarchs, fuck the lawyers, freeze/seize the assets and deal with them after
 
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PVA

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Sick Boy said:
www.theguardian.com

EU urges UK to act faster before Russian assets are spirited away

Officials voice growing frustration over lethargy in hitting oligarchs’ wealth
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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RegTheDonk said:
Didn't realise they didn't want to join NATO, I thought that was their goal for some time and the West has dragged its feet. Perhaps this should have been resolved when the Crimea was invaded. However, would that have exculated things anyway and Putin would have invaded there and then, seeing as they were supporting rebels in East Ukraine anyway? Awful dilemma.
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I didn't mean that they hadn't courted the idea of joining NATO, just that it hadn't happened.

Putin would argue them considering it is what caused him to invade, but that's nonsense because Estonia and Latvia border Russia as well, and would likely have been much easier to take than Ukraine, but he didn't go after them. Putin invaded because they haven't joined NATO.
 
stupot07

stupot07

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I'm i right in thinking we still haven't sanctioned or frozen assets of any Russian Oligarchs yet???



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PVA

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Not going to post it in here but just saw a heartbreaking couple of images – first of a teenage lad being bundled out of a car at the hospital with his legs blown to bits and then an image of the lad under a blanket with his father weeping as he holds his son’s face.

Utterly tragic
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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PVA said:
Not going to post it in here but just saw a heartbreaking couple of images – first of a teenage lad being bundled out of a car at the hospital with his legs blown to bits and then an image of the lad under a blanket with his father weeping as he holds his son’s face.

Utterly tragic
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And just before anyone says it’s ok to say this and say that it was just as bad in Iraq and Yemen
 
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