USSR invades Ukraine. (47 Viewers)

[Houchens Head]

To be fair he said he’s donating all proceeds of Chelsea sale (guessing £1.5-£2bn) from the sale to the victims of the war. Maybe a bit of guilt money but fair play, more than other oligarchs are doing. Apparently he was also trying to help Ukraine broker peace deal. not sure of ulterior motives but I think Ukraine confirmed his attempts to assist on their behalf

I believe the actual deed is that he is setting up a charity and donating that money to the victims of the war.

 

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[Flying Fokker]

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The shit being spouted by their guests is ridiculous. Earlier they were saying that the bombings in various towns had been done by the Ukranians themselves. It had to go. Some of their experts are as bad as putin. This hate will never be resolved.

 

[Grendel]

Nobody said it was the UK's fault, obviously.

You're windmilling all over the place here.

So you haven’t posted any criticism of the uk response in this crises - ok fair enough I apologise

 

[Grendel]

Georgia have also applied to join EU. The Putin master plan is working like a dream

It will of course take 20 years to join the eu but hey ho

 

[napolimp]

I’m not I am merely pointing out the EU block has a massively varied opinion on Russia purely down to economic self interest. Italy and Germany as well as France to a lesser extent are reliant on Russia to function due its total need for its energy reserves. It totally destroys the myth that a United eu is a strong one as in the end the big countries in it will talk big and still take the Russian gift of energy

it will also of course sell the arms to the ukraines to make even more money while continuing to suck up to Putin

Scum aren’t they?

Seems as though the EU is very united over their stance against Russia. Surely they wouldn't be at the same point so quickly without the bloc, it would require a lot more time and negotiation?

I was also under the impression that the EU approved a huge package for defense spending in Ukraine, and are supplying them with weapons? Or are you talking about previously before all this kicked off?

 

[Grendel]

I think they might have a role to play. If they decided to reduce trade/implement sanctions I’d imagine Russia will be well and truly fucked so they could certainly apply pressure. I said yesterday China doesn’t want this escalating to a nuclear war any more than us so it’s in their interests for Russia to de-escalate to reduce that risk

it’s never happening and this will solidly an alliance between the countries

 

[Sick Boy]

Seems as though the EU is very united over their stance against Russia. Surely they wouldn't be at the same point so quickly without the bloc, it would require a lot more time and negotiation?

I was also under the impression that the EU approved a huge package for defense spending in Ukraine, and are supplying them with weapons? Or are you talking about previously before all this kicked off?

Oh god....now you've done it.

 

[PVA]

So you haven’t posted any criticism of the uk response in this crises - ok fair enough I apologise

Good grief.

Maybe log off for the night and leave this to the grownups

 

[Grendel]

Seems as though the EU is very united over their stance against Russia. Surely they wouldn't be at the same point so quickly without the bloc, it would require a lot more time and negotiation?

I was also under the impression that the EU approved a huge package for defense spending in Ukraine, and are supplying them with weapons? Or are you talking about previously before all this kicked off?

I’m talking about the fact that certain countries are refusing to stop energy trading - they also took several days to fall in line on the ship banking sanctions

 

[napolimp]

Oh god....now you've done it.

Ermmm... I'm new here.

 

[Grendel]

Good grief.

Maybe log off for the night and leave this to the grownups

Your lack of self awareness is genuinely amusing

 

[PVA]

Your lack of self awareness is genuinely amusing

I refer you to your earlier post complaining about Russian gifts and sucking up to Putin

 

[skybluetony176]

It will of course take 20 years to join the eu but hey ho

So 30 years before we start seeing the benefits of Brexit then, according to the Brexit minister. Out manoeuvred by Georgia. Global Britain.

 

[PVA]

Ermmm... I'm new here.

Get out of here while you still can!

 

[PVA]

 

[PVA]

Hopefully this is true

 

[tisza]

I believe the actual deed is that he is setting up a charity and donating that money to the victims of the war.

Think the actual phrasing is"net proceeds to all victims of the war" so I'll wait and see how much goes to who

 

[Grendel]

I refer you to your earlier post complaining about Russian gifts and sucking up to Putin

I’m now going to stand by a bus stop in my underpants

 

[tisza]

Denazification seems a phrase open to all sorts of abuse/ interpretation. Russia can't/won't deal with their own extreme right wing factions.

 

[Grendel]

My final thought on this whole thing as I can't be arsed arguing these days....


I hope Ukraine pull it out the bag , I don't think they will , I can't see where NATO help them directly without them invading or attacking a NATO country first ..

That's me done with it , crack on

I admire your views on this. It’s pretty pathetic when the likes of o drivel try to believe they have some knowledge compared to you (but of course the Great War hero o drivel has us both on ignore so he would never know) I am in due course make one final point then endeavour like you to leave this to the adults

 

[CCFCSteve]

Think the actual phrasing is"net proceeds to all victims of the war" so I'll wait and see how much goes to who

Yeah, just seen the wording !

Maybe he’s ringfenced a wedge for Putins missus after he hopefully takes a bullet

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Denazification seems a phrase open to all sorts of abuse/ interpretation. Russia can't/won't deal with their own extreme right wing factions.

It's a made up word.
Comfumble is a word I just made up. I'm chuffed with it.

 

[Grendel]

that's a weird argument - you on the pipe again?

This must be a difficult time for you as you support terrorise and murder as long as the perpetrators have a cause tbhe believe in David

 

[RegTheDonk]

Russian officials say they expect Ukrainian negotiators to arrive on the Polish-Belarusian border for the next round of peace talks on Thursday morning, where a ceasefire is set to be discussed.

Moscow's chief negotiator, Vladimir Medinsky, told Russian media the Ukrainian delegation has left the capital city of Kyiv and that Russian troops are providing a security corridor for the delegates.

Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said earlier on Wednesday that Moscow remains committed to the "demilitarisation" of Ukraine and added there should be a list of specified weapons that can never be deployed on Ukrainian territory.

But he said that Vladimir Putin's regime recognised the Ukrainian people's right to chose their own leader and that Russia accepts Volodymyr Zelensky as the legitimate president.


Is this the first sign of a change in approach from Russia saying they accept Zelensky as president? Or is it meaningless?

Any hope of stopping the bloodshead should be considered. At this point, "demilitarisation" probably means giving up any hope of joining NATO or the EU and no nukes on their soil ... but still having Zelensky in charge? Wow, isn't he, in their eyes, part of the "Nazification"?

On paper, looks an option, but considering the pack of lies they've been peddling for the last few months, probably have him poisoned within a few months and have some new "elections".

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Any hope of stopping the bloodshead should be considered. At this point, "demilitarisation" probably means giving up any hope of joining NATO or the EU and no nukes on their soil ... but still having Zelensky in charge? Wow, isn't he, in their eyes, part of the "Nazification"?

On paper, looks an option, but considering the pack of lies they've been peddling for the last few months, probably have him poisoned within a few months and have some new "elections".

I imagine Ukraine see their decision to give up nukes and not joining NATO as the reason they are now being invaded. Old Eastern bloc members that are in NATO haven't got a Russian invasion to deal with.

 

[tisza]

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I imagine Ukraine see their decision to give up nukes and not joining NATO as the reason they are now being invaded. Old Eastern bloc members that are in NATO haven't got a Russian invasion to deal with.

Probably raises the issue of what happens to Georgia now they look like pushing ahead with NATO and EU membership.

 

[stupot07]

Russian officials say they expect Ukrainian negotiators to arrive on the Polish-Belarusian border for the next round of peace talks on Thursday morning, where a ceasefire is set to be discussed.

Moscow's chief negotiator, Vladimir Medinsky, told Russian media the Ukrainian delegation has left the capital city of Kyiv and that Russian troops are providing a security corridor for the delegates.

Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said earlier on Wednesday that Moscow remains committed to the "demilitarisation" of Ukraine and added there should be a list of specified weapons that can never be deployed on Ukrainian territory.

But he said that Vladimir Putin's regime recognised the Ukrainian people's right to chose their own leader and that Russia accepts Volodymyr Zelensky as the legitimate president.


Is this the first sign of a change in approach from Russia saying they accept Zelensky as president? Or is it meaningless?

Meaningless. Its just a show to try and make it look like they are trying being reasonable and Ukraine are the ones being unreasonable. This is all part of the propaganda war. If Russia had any intentions of agreeing a ceasefire they would scale down their invasion whilst talks are ongoing not escalate as they are doing.

The Russian Red lines will be completely unacceptable to Ukraine, and Putin knows it.

He will want
- demilitarisation of Ukraine
- agreement to never join Nato
- agreement to never join the EU
- regime change with a puppet government
- for the Dombas region/East Ukraine to be under Russian control


He doesn't even believe his own country has a right to chose its own leader, hence him jailing and clamping down on opposition parties.


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[fernandopartridge]

Thought this was an interesting thread about the impact of sanctions in relation to aviation

 

[Liquid Gold]

Now Ukraine planning to do some war crimes

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Now Ukraine planning to do some war crimes

Not sure it’s a war crime to kill another soldier

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Not sure it’s a war crime to kill another soldier

There might be something in there about treatment if they surrender.

There would be more political capital in capturing and looking after them as well as possible to relay the message back in Russia about the reality. It's time consuming and expensive, but ultimately the right thing to do.

If you've been shelled and bombed I can imagine you wouldn't be in a particularly forgiving mood and it would be difficult to say people under extreme stress and fearing for their lives would shoot first. It's an ambiguous statement and I would hope, where possible, they will capture.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Not sure it’s a war crime to kill another soldier

It is when they are trying to surrender which is what they're heavily implying here.

 

[PVA]

Now Ukraine planning to do some war crimes

The quotes that accompany that...

 

[Paul Anthony]

Not sure it’s a war crime to kill another soldier

Killing another soldier in armed combat isn't. Killing prisoners of war is absolutely a criminal act.

 

[duffer]

The thread has include suggestions that tbe uk decision to leave the union was something that helped Putin and if we were a collective force his position would be weaker - so yeah it is

Except that's absolutely obvious unless you haven't got two brain cells to rub together. As usual, you're talking out of your arse. Are you seriously, even for one minute saying that Brexit didn't suit Russia? Utter tosh man, you're an idiot.