USSR invades Ukraine. (42 Viewers)

[Grendel]

We’ve been slow, especially against individual oligarchs but think those numbers are way off from what I’ve read. Even independent is suggesting hundreds. I’m not sure what the criteria is though

What sanctions has the UK imposed on Russia, and could more be done?

Leader of Russian Orthodox Church, children’s rights commissioner and four top colonels all targeted by UK as latest round of economic penalties announced

www.independent.co.uk

the graph is clearly nonsense it doesn’t even reflect well on the EU even though it’s designed to

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

ha ha an interesting article just read it don’t think it’s going to be too popular on here

Well

It’s in the mail for starters

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

It was a genuine question. The amount spent on weapons from other countries has been published but I can’t find the UK figures.

Theyd sent 2000 anti tank weapons before the Russians invaded along with special forces which id assume were to train Ukraine forces to use them and give them some tactical help on where best to deploy them.
This was before the invasion.
Boris and the UK were ahead of the game whilst Macron was waving around a promise from Vlad.

 

[PVA]

I know you jest but looking through the replies it seems it is considered genuine but it's twitter so who knows for sure?

Have a look at Christo Grozev's twitter. He thinks it's genuine and has a strong background in Russian journalism including some work on the Salisbury poisonings that uncovered some previously unknown suspects

 

[Grendel]

Well

It’s in the mail for starters

oh yes it’s a nasty paper I forgot

 

[skybluetony176]

Have you got any figures on how ‘Boris’ is leading the way?

They’ve made promises. Boris’ promises are as worthless as the IOU’s Harry and Lloyd put in the suitcase in Dumb and Dumber but he has made them. His word is his bond. Ask any of his ex wives, mistresses, girlfriends, children, employees etc etc.

 

[Grendel]

Theyd sent 2000 anti tank weapons before the Russians invaded along with special forces which id assume were to train Ukraine forces to use them and give them some tactical help on where best to deploy them.
This was before the invasion.
Boris and the UK were ahead of the game whilst Macron was waving around a promise from Vlad.

yes macron grandstanding and looking foolish - again oddly not mentioned on here — has the hybrid arrived at your door yet to take you away?

 

[skybluetony176]

ha ha an interesting article just read it don’t think it’s going to be too popular on here

It’s all bollocks anyway. He only has 20 connections on LinkedIn so it must be.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

They’ve made promises. Boris’ promises are as worthless as the IOU’s Harry and Lloyd put in the suitcase in Dumb and Dumber but he has made them. His word is his bond. Ask any of his ex wives, mistresses, girlfriends, children, employees etc etc.

‘We’re just performing military excercises. We have no intention in invading Ukraine’.
People are dying in their thousands on both sides.
Slightly different from getting someone pregnant and leaving your wife/girlfriend as poor a show as it is.

 

[Sick Boy]

well you need to also factor in the £2 billion a week the eu continue to feed the Putin machine every week - something strangely ignored on here

I didn’t realise the EU bought gas as a bloc, or are you “disturbingly” trying to politicise this?

 

[PVA]

We’ve been slow, especially against individual oligarchs but think those numbers are way off from what I’ve read. Even independent is suggesting hundreds. I’m not sure what the criteria is though

What sanctions has the UK imposed on Russia, and could more be done?

Leader of Russian Orthodox Church, children’s rights commissioner and four top colonels all targeted by UK as latest round of economic penalties announced

www.independent.co.uk

This was fact checked by the BBC the other day.

Johnson claimed it was 'hundreds' but the reality was it was 15.

Plus they aren't enforcing most sanctions immediately. They're giving oligarchs a months notice. And if in that month the oligarchs take their assets out of the uk, well the government are going to be really really cross with them.

 

[Grendel]

Anyway back to the serious stuff

number two on the 5 things you never knew about Vladimir Putin

2 Vladimir Putin sits miles away from people as he’s frightened of COVID - Russian air hostesses are immune from COVID

Glamorous Aeroflot Flight Attendants Shower Putin With Flowers - Live and Let's Fly

Russian President Vladimir Putin was photographed earlier today surrounded by glamorous Aeroflot flight attendants.

liveandletsfly.com

 

[Grendel]

I didn’t realise the EU bought gas as a bloc, or are you “disturbingly” trying to politicise this?

Er PVA sent a graph showing a bloc to show its number of sanctions - so as a bloc that’s what they send over - are you happy with that?

 

[Sick Boy]

Er PVA sent a graph showing a bloc to show its number of sanctions - so as a bloc that’s what they send over - are you happy with that?

Does the EU buy gas as a bloc?

 

[duffer]

“Even previously sceptical Tory MPs have speculated that the crisis could prove to be Mr Johnson's 'Falklands moment' – a reference to the 1982 war which transformed Margaret Thatcher's political fortunes.

The analogy is enhanced by the fact Mr Johnson has moved his daily 8.30am briefing from his No 10 study to Thatcher's old office on the floor above.

It means that Mr Johnson and his inner circle of six key advisers are dissecting the conflict under the steely painted gaze of the Iron Lady.”

Boris Johnson announces six-point plan to defeat Vladimir Putin

In the space of a fortnight, Mr Johnson has transformed from beleaguered leader, assailed by endless allegations about lockdown parties, to burgeoning international statesman.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Brilliant.

The main difference between Thatcher and Boris, of course, being that she wasn't ever considered a security risk by members of her own government.

Boris Johnson was blocked from accessing state secrets as foreign secretary because Downing Street believed he was a security risk

Theresa May allegedly tried to restrict Boris Johnson's access to secret intelligence when he was foreign secretary.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Grendel]

Does the EU buy gas as a bloc?

that’s odd I asked a question is this what is called wataboutery? Or is the Islington crew immune from such shocking practices

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We’ve been slow, especially against individual oligarchs but think those numbers are way off from what I’ve read. Even independent is suggesting hundreds. I’m not sure what the criteria is though

What sanctions has the UK imposed on Russia, and could more be done?

Leader of Russian Orthodox Church, children’s rights commissioner and four top colonels all targeted by UK as latest round of economic penalties announced

www.independent.co.uk

Raab doesn’t know what a bank or sanction is

 

[tisza]

yes macron grandstanding and looking foolish - again oddly not mentioned on here — has the hybrid arrived at your door yet to take you away?

Possibly because he has an election coming up?

 

[Grendel]

The main difference between Thatcher and Boris, of course, being that she wasn't ever considered a security risk by members of her own government.

Boris Johnson was blocked from accessing state secrets as foreign secretary because Downing Street believed he was a security risk

Theresa May allegedly tried to restrict Boris Johnson's access to secret intelligence when he was foreign secretary.

www.businessinsider.com

Somewhat ironic when I’m Mandy Fly Me was in the Blair polit Bureau along with a certain Postmaster General

 

[Grendel]

Raab doesn’t know what a bank or sanction is

he doesn’t know what a bank is? How did he ever get a mortgage poor chap

 

[CCFCSteve]

It was a genuine question. The amount spent on weapons from other countries has been published but I can’t find the UK figures.

MoD understandably won’t release what’s specifically been provided but by all accounts and from Russias reaction you can assume it’s probably pretty significant. Training and military support has been going on for a long time

 

[clint van damme]

yes macron grandstanding and looking foolish - again oddly not mentioned on here — has the hybrid arrived at your door yet to take you away?

These comparisons with Macron sound like whataboutery to me!

And just a reminder, he's not our PM.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

he doesn’t know what a bank is? How did he ever get a mortgage poor chap

He doesn’t need one he has servants who sort that sort of stuff out

 

[Grendel]

These comparisons with Macron sound like whataboutery to me!

And just a reminder, he's not our PM.

Ah whataboutery so we shouldn’t be showing graphs including the EU then?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Probably more they see UK as an easy target for calling out rather than the EU - as a bloc of countries (number of countries and physical mass) and major trade partner.

Not at all. We’re in nato so it’s kind of irrelevant. I’m not sure why people want to try to downplay what we’ve been doing to support the Ukraine military, especially before the invasion. It’s bizarre

 

[Grendel]

He doesn’t need one he has servants who sort that sort of stuff out

he’s never used a bank wow

 

[Grendel]

MoD understandably won’t release what’s specifically been provided but by all accounts and from Russias reaction you can assume it’s probably pretty significant. Training and military support has been going on for a long time

Another one being sent to
Islington

 

[CCFCSteve]

This was fact checked by the BBC the other day.

Johnson claimed it was 'hundreds' but the reality was it was 15.

Plus they aren't enforcing most sanctions immediately. They're giving oligarchs a months notice. And if in that month the oligarchs take their assets out of the uk, well the government are going to be really really cross with them.

Happy to be proven wrong as it’s a major frustration for me but your* graph was entities (not individuals) and that is never only 16

edit - think it was your not Clint’s graph so amended

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Another one being sent to
Islington

You’ve gone right off the deep end this morning. Log off and go for a walk

 

[skybluetony176]

‘We’re just performing military excercises. We have no intention in invading Ukraine’.
People are dying in their thousands on both sides.
Slightly different from getting someone pregnant and leaving your wife/girlfriend as poor a show as it is.

It’s the measure of the man. And according to grendull something that happened 10-20 years ago is the most important thing. Besides that we aren’t leading the way on sanctions like he keeps claiming, it’s just more hollow words from Boris as per usual. The UK through being the world’s capital for money laundering, through the golden VISA scheme which has allowed over 2500 oligarchs a British passport with little due diligence is in a unique position from almost any other country if not any other country to hand out sanctions yet far from leading the world (which is absolutely 100% within our gift for the reasons I’ve already stated) we’re dragging behind. Tomorrow is going to be the most important day in parliament for decades. The opposition is tabling amendments to legislation meaning we can act on Boris’ promises now not in 18 months. Hopefully Boris takes that opportunity.

 

[duffer]

Even the Financial Times is reporting on the Conservative Party's ongoing issue with Russian donations.

How can anyone not be genuinely suspicious about this level of funding to the Tory party and the apparent slowness of our application of sanctions.

Boris Johnson under pressure to sack Tory fundraiser over Russia links

Conservative party co-chair Ben Elliot raised nearly £2mn of Moscow-linked donations

www.ft.com

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

he doesn’t know what a bank is? How did he ever get a mortgage poor chap

He could ask Geoffrey Robinson to lend him the money. Its a novel idea that hasn’t been tried before.

 

[clint van damme]

Ah whataboutery so we shouldn’t be showing graphs including the EU then?

I'm fine with it. You were the one bemoaning whataboutery, I'm pointing out that you're now indulging in it.

 

[skybluetony176]

I mean

 

[Grendel]

I'm fine with it. You were the one bemoaning whataboutery, I'm pointing out that you're now indulging in it.

im mocking the nonsense term