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It's a disgusting, atrocious, disgraceful immigration policy.
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skybluetony176
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You’re totally missing my point Tony. I’ve acknowledged from the start that what we did wouldve been within the EU rules so I don’t need to read up on MRHA. You’ve failed to acknowledge the argument I’ve made about it being politically unfeasible to have done so though, which is nothing to do with MRHA.
I’ve suggested you read the article (fact based not opinion) which gives an insight into why but you don’t appear to want to. Lets leave it there as this isn’t the Brexit thread and it’s probably dull for everyone else, however, if you read the article and still disagree with my take, feel free to drop me a DM
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Otis
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No, it will be just the one birthday.
So the first one was for a surprise birthday cake, second one he was called back because he forgot to blow the candles out on the cake and
the third time was because he hungrily rushed back for seconds and also wanted to destroy all evidence of any wrongdoing.
fernandopartridge
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I don't know who it is but I guess he's well meaning and not just "look at me, I'm very comfortable but want to show you peasants how to eat cheaply on my level of disposable income"
Ccfcisparks
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His name is "Atomic Shrimp" and I genuinely think he does it for the challenge. As mentioned before he forages a lot from his garden.
Oh hang on, I'd misunderstood the Rwanda thing. I thought they would send asylum seekers there while they are being processed, and then fly them back here once their application was successful.
But no, they are literally sending them to Rwanda and leaving them there, it's a one way ticket. Fuck sake.
But no, they are literally sending them to Rwanda and leaving them there, it's a one way ticket. Fuck sake.
Johnnythespider
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The real issue with it for me is that it is as you say populist, what kind of person likes this kind of shit.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I'm struggling to understand you not getting that being in the EU would not have legally stopped us doing what we did. Political pressure is one thing, but it isn't the same as saying "Brexit allowed us to do it". It didn't, because we could have still done it even if we were in the EU. Whether we would have done it is another question but EU membership by itself would not have prevented us from making the same decisions we did. If we hadn't it would've been due to our choice not to do so.
If you go for a night out and want to go to a particular club, if your mates don't want to go there you can make the choice whether to go where you want on your own or follow them and go somewhere else. If the bouncer won't let you in you don't have any choice. In one you have the freedom to make a choice for yourself. In the other you don't.
Ian1779
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Probably the entire GB News viewing audience, as well as a good chunk of avid LBC and TalkRadio listeners.
clint van damme
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OffenhamSkyBlue
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I don't believe it's relevant that it is distracting the nation (as the Shadow Secretary for DCMS tried to say on Five Live this morning). THAT detracts from it being inhumane and ethically and morally reprehensible.
skybluetony176
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Based on what? We’re the country that got our money back, the country that got a veto on the euro, even little Denmark got a veto on the euro because it wanted. The article is opinion, it’s not based on fact and it certainly ain’t based on the reality of history of either our own experience in the EU or even a little country with a population smaller than London’s real life experience. Then there’s the small matter of Hungry’s vaccine rollout. It’s desperate brexit bullshit and as a demonstration of how bad Brexit really is the Brexit government has got to pass a lie of as fact.
None of that forrin muck, Great British bacon only!!1! World leading pigs. Get Bacon Done.
Terry_dactyl
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Yesterday I found myself agreeing with something Nigel Farage said.
Is it the apocalypse?
The sad thing is that's exactly what a good chunk of their voters would like to hear.
They'd be happy for the government to spend £30bn on sending some foreigners to Rwanda but don't want them spending a penny to help poor people put food on the table.
clint van damme
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That's exactly what came into my head when I was reading it
Sick Boy
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What difference does that make? Their policy is equally shameful. It shouldn’t be a race to the bottom.
Evo1883
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Already have people on my socials calling it genius , his immigration policy that is .
The bloke at this point could be caught with people's wives in bed and they'd tuck him in .. this country is weak as piss
Sick Boy
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They’re the equivalent of the morons who kept Berlusconi in power for so long in Italy.
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Ian1779
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Sadly quite a lot of people. History shows that xenophobia is highly popular.
Philosoraptor
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Yes, but he's entirely based his ethics off cost. What a little shit.
All I mentioned was that I felt the UK was able to be more nimble and explained why. I’m not commenting on Brexit, the EU etc overall/in general just this one area.
You’ve obviously not read the article otherwise you’d know it’s pretty balanced and not ‘desperate Brexit bullshit’. As it states, is based on ‘dozens of interviews with EU diplomats, Commission officials, pharma industry representatives and national government aides’. Both authors are American, live in Brussels and work in The Politico EU health teams so you’d imagine have no angle on this.
I appreciate youre a passionate advocate of the EU, which is fair enough, but not accepting or even being willing to read anything that might be negative without calling it bullshit, delusional etc is not healthy. Nothings perfect and not everything is black or white.
A ridiculous, illogical solution if that’s the case although not sure if Davis’ numbers are accurate
Liquid Gold
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#Refugee #costofrefugeecrisis
Per refugee
Dog cage £10
Gruel 5p
Grass free (found in park)
big fence around sea £100 - my mate Dave's company
Big gun to scare them off free (from army)
Border guards expenses only £12 (4 stellas and a ginsters for me and Dave)
Total - £122.05
It isn't a cost of refugee crisis it's a budgeting problem. Those in government just have no common sense.
skybluetony176
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I’ve read the article 3 times and at no point does it say any country wasn’t free to go it’s own route, which of course they always were. It does say they held an emergency video conference of the 27 nations in response to the USA’s aggression in trying to buy up the world’s supply of vaccines before development was complete. It says that they all AGREED to purchase as a block to bulk buy vaccines. The biggest criticism in the article of the EU seems to be it backed the wrong horse. It even says in the article that it didn’t back BioNTech but also explains that wasn’t without the benefit of hindsight all that bad of a decision given BioNTech was a cancer drug researcher prior to Covid 19 so didn’t have the experience other companies did in developing vaccines let alone vaccines for coronavirus’. Maybe you linked the wrong article.
Meanwhile back in planet reality all EU countries have veto rights which even the smaller countries have used to good effect, Denmark and the Euro being just one very good example. EU Countries did go their own way at later dates most notably Hungry who purchased the Sputnik vaccine without EMA approval. We always had the Legislation to approve any vaccine ahead of the EU. I quoted you chapter and verse on it and it predates a promise of the referendum, the referendum, leaving the EU and we actually used it while in the transition period so were still technically in the EU, we were invited to join the EU program during that period and declined without a fuss (you can have that as a good decision by the government but it’s irrelevant to the Brexit argument because as you acknowledge yourself, we always had the option to do it). But most notably the head of the MHRA, that’s the body that approved the vaccines ahead of the EU said to a commons select committee in no uncertain terms that MHancock, the government minister who first vented the lie on the country, was talking complete bollocks. I’ll say that again. The head of the UK organisation that approved the vaccines said it was bollocks.