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[Grendel]

All I'm saying is people have taken Reeves' comments saying she doesn't agree with Corbyn's antisemitism and NATO stance as 'I'M SO GLAD THE TORIES WON!!'. Which clearly is not what she's said.

No she wanted Boris Johnson to win the election

I assume you voted for the - according to you - the anti Semite mr Corbyn

 

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[clint van damme]

One thing the past few years has surely shown is that it's pretty stupid the left being the main opposition to the left. Corbyn, Starmer, whoever (Ed Fucking Davey, Caroline Lucas) are all better than what we have!

Perhaps then, Starmer should have put q bit more effort in to his pledge to Unite the party, or not made it at all if he wasn't sincere about it.

 

[fernandopartridge]

No she wanted Boris Johnson to win the election

I assume you voted for the - according to you - the anti Semite mr Corbyn

Do these people not realise how ridiculous they are with this scorched earth rubbish? They will be monstered by the media in the next election, they're currently pulling sufficient rope from the reel to hang themselves

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Perhaps then, Starmer should have put q bit more effort in to his pledge to Unite the party, or not made it at all if he wasn't sincere about it.

And of course Corbyn et al should have done similar... and so it goes on, while the Tories laugh and win.

 

[PVA]

No she wanted Boris Johnson to win the election

I assume you voted for the - according to you - the anti Semite mr Corbyn

No she didn't.

You can think Corbyn would be a bad prime minister AND still prefer him to win the election.

That's her thinking. It was my thinking too. Plus millions of others.

 

[PVA]

One thing the past few years has surely shown is that it's pretty stupid the left being the main opposition to the left. Corbyn, Starmer, whoever (Ed Fucking Davey, Caroline Lucas) are all better than what we have!

Exactly this.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

No she didn't.

You can think Corbyn would be a bad prime minister AND still prefer him to win the election.

That's her thinking. It was my thinking too. Plus millions of others.

...and of course is why we've ended up with BJ the Great in charge

 

[Grendel]

Do these people not realise how ridiculous they are with this scorched earth rubbish? They will be monstered by the media in the next election, they're currently pulling sufficient rope from the reel to hang themselves

Starmer has an open goal now and he still can’t convert. He’s actually hopeless even Sophie Rainsworth can flatten him on a Sunday morning - he’s over sensitive, bland with no vision or actual beliefs - let’s be honest his more in common with Jeremy Hunt than Keir Hardy

 

[clint van damme]

And of course Corbyn et al should have done similar... and so it goes on, while the Tories laugh and win.

I disagree,Corbyn was too accommodating. I think that's where he messed up, it fed into his poor brexit messaging and he kept snakes like Tom Watson around for too long.

I actually think Starmer did the right thing getting rid of the left of the party from his shadow cabinet when heslooking to go another way but that doesn't mean he couldn't have reached out to left wing party members/ voters.

I really want a reason to vote for him but I'm struggling.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

So why was Reeves happy to have 5 more years of a tory government?

I don't know, and I don't agree. But we have to deal what we have now.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I didn't vote for them in the first place. The choice in 2019 was between Labour and all the chaos that has unfolded. But the current shadow cabinet seems quite content with the election of the Tories in 2019, so, i'm sorry but I am not now voting to remove them cos people like Rachel Reeves have got their choice of leader on board.

So you would rather the Tories won again?

 

[PVA]

He’s actually hopeless even Sophie Rainsworth can flatten him on a Sunday morning

Johnson is so hopeless he had to hide in a fucking fridge

 

[Grendel]

So you would rather the Tories won again?

I think he wants a labour party to win and it doesn’t exist at the moment - to be fair a Tory party doesn’t either

 

[Grendel]

Johnson is so hopeless he had to hide in a fucking fridge

ok

 

[PVA]

ok

He literally did. You know he did.

Your remarkable double standards at play again.

 

[skybluetony176]

Johnson is so hopeless he had to hide in a fucking fridge

And India

Talking of India, it was such a crucial visit he’s declining the opportunity to make a statement about his visit in the House of Commons. Which apparently is another first. A PM has never visited another state as a state visit and then not made statement in the commons upon their return.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I think he wants a labour party to win and it doesn’t exist at the moment - to be fair a Tory party doesn’t either

Well that is not true is it? Of course there is a Labour Party and there is Tory Party. They might not be the ones any if us would choose, but they are the options we have.

I am just trying to understand why Fernando is saying he is not going to vote to try to defeat the current Government. I understand why you wouldn't given your political views but I don't understand why he wouldn't given what I believe his views to be.

 

[Grendel]

Well that is not true is it? Of course there is a Labour Party and there is Tory Party. They might not be the ones any if us would choose, but they are the options we have.

I am just trying to understand why Fernando is saying he is not going to vote to try to defeat the current Government. I understand why you wouldn't given your political views but I don't understand why he wouldn't given what I believe his views to be.

i suspect because his ideology is a party that helps and assists working classes and creates equalisation

I certainly have no worries if a Starmer led government took office as he’s right of centre and I know income wise I’d ne unthreatened - I couldn’t care if he won tbh

 

[Grendel]

Wouldn’t it actually be great if had Thatcher vs Rayner or McDonnell in a general election

Total conviction politicians compared to the circus performer and the Islington bore

God at least politics would be engaging

 

[Deleted member 9744]

i suspect because his ideology is a party that helps and assists working classes and creates equalisation

I certainly have no worries if a Starmer led government took office as he’s right of centre and I know income wise I’d ne unthreatened - I couldn’t care if he won tbh

But presumably as a Tory you love to hear of left leaning people deciding not to vote against the Government?

 

[David O'Day]

I didn't vote for them in the first place. The choice in 2019 was between Labour and all the chaos that has unfolded. But the current shadow cabinet seems quite content with the election of the Tories in 2019, so, i'm sorry but I am not now voting to remove them cos people like Rachel Reeves have got their choice of leader on board.

oh well they'll really miss your vote

 

[David O'Day]

Well that is not true is it? Of course there is a Labour Party and there is Tory Party. They might not be the ones any if us would choose, but they are the options we have.

I am just trying to understand why Fernando is saying he is not going to vote to try to defeat the current Government. I understand why you wouldn't given your political views but I don't understand why he wouldn't given what I believe his views to be.

it's all about him

 

[David O'Day]

So let me get this centrist piss straight.
If you didn't vote for corbyn you're not a tory enabler.
If you don't vote for starmer you are.

Gobshites.

no you are a tory enabler if you enable tories and fp doesn't want them to lose the next ge

 

[David O'Day]

All I'm saying is people have taken Reeves' comments saying she doesn't agree with Corbyn's antisemitism and NATO stance as 'I'M SO GLAD THE TORIES WON!!'. Which clearly is not what she's said.

because they are bitter that corbyn was never going to win an election so they make up shit

 

[fernandopartridge]

oh well they'll really miss your vote

Well given the Tory majority here is about 600 votes, i'd suggest they probably will

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well given the Tory majority here is about 600 votes, i'd suggest they probably will

Please vote against the conservatives

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

because they are bitter that corbyn was never going to win an election so they make up shit

I mean we're now left to choose between a criminal and someone who agrees that young people are wasters and laughs at loyally Labour voting cities.

 

[fernandopartridge]

because they are bitter that corbyn was never going to win an election so they make up shit

I am not bothered about Corbyn you fanny, you're the one making up shit

 

[David O'Day]

Well given the Tory majority here is about 600 votes, i'd suggest they probably will

so you are every vote then? don't be fucking stupid

 

[David O'Day]

I am not bothered about Corbyn you fanny, you're the one making up shit

cause you ain't mate

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Please vote against the conservatives

Must admit I couldn't live with myself if I didn't thinking of all the suffering they are inflicting.

 

[David O'Day]

Please vote against the conservatives

nah he'd rather they won as Rachel Reeves said Corbyn would be a bad PM

 

[David O'Day]

proper head twister to be anti tory but not willing to vote for the one party that can beat them

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

proper head twister to be anti tory but not willing to vote for the one party that can beat them

That other party doesn't exactly make it an appealing choice. It's coming down to who Starmer isn't rather than who he is

 

[PVA]

That other party doesn't exactly make it an appealing choice. It's coming down to who Starmer isn't rather than who he is

But regardless of what you think about Starmer, if you think he isn't left leaning enough, or if you think Corbyn is better... Labour with Starmer is clearly preferable to the Tories.

So if the three choices are:

A) vote Tory
B) vote Labour
C) none of the above because you don't like Starmer/he's not Jeremy Corbyn, most likely resulting in a Tory government

Why would you choose C? That's just cutting your nose off to spite your face.