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[rob9872]

They weren’t even allowed to have lunch together and had to sit alone in the lunch room and it is a sackable offence to drink alcohol at my wife’s hospital so fairly unlikely to have happened.

You can toast and appreciate someone's service without alcohol

 

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

You can toast and appreciate someone's service without alcohol

Better tell Johnson and his cronies that then.

 

[rob9872]

Better tell Johnson and his cronies that then.

He could well have been on a soft drink, I don't know for certain as I didn't get an invite

 

[fatso]

As I have said before. I last saw my mum in March. March 19th. I was not allowed to see her after that and she died on the 28th June.

And we had to turn people away from the funeral. She was very well loved and liked. She was a wonderful woman, but we could only have 30 at the funeral and everyone else was turned away.

The church wouldn't let us sneak in just one more. So not 31, 30 only and that was it. They wouldn't let us go over by even 1.

One very old lady turned up, who was a very good friend of my mum and she was the 31st person and we hd to turn her away.

That's terribly bad, I feel sorry for you and your family, and as I've said, those rules were ridiculously O.T.T. (imo)

But having made those rules, both party leaders should of adheared to them and lead by example.
Personally I think they should both be fined (after legal enquiries are completed).
But resigning isn't going to achieve anything other than give new targets for the usual suspects to hate on.
As for telling porkies, they'd be lots of empty seats in Parliament if all MP's who lied had to resign. And as I've said, there are some really desperate times ahead that should be the focus of attention now.

 

[duffer]

That's awfully sad Otis and if I thought for one minute Boris raising a glass to sat farewell to a colleague at the end of a working day would mean that you wouldn't have had to endure that or the old lady could have attended, I'd be right with you, but it clearly isn't the case.

It appears opinion is skewed based on whether people want him or not. the police have investigated and I don't believe for one minute they're as corrupt these days with so many standards to uphold and whistleblowers waiting for their moment to shine. If they deem that there isn't a case to answer, then I don't see why this instance should be big news, particularly after the same crowd suggesting Starmer and Rayner weren't at a party, despite booze, food and at 10pm no work done afterwards. Fwiw I don't have an issue with him doing that either, only raising for balance.

It's also incredibly disingenuous to wait for the report and then drip-feed another photo now. Have they suddenly come across this two years after an event when the whole partygate issue has already been rumbling on for close to a year? If there is more evidence get it out there. If there isn't then allow people to move on and govern. Whether you want them or not, I'm sure we can all agree that the time is better spent trying to implement policy and legislation over answering to yet another party accusation.

I'll now retreat for a period whilst the usual pile on ensues to pull this apart, extracts the part they disagree with and quotes it back to tell me it's all Boris' fault and gets 10 likes from all concerned.

Oh do come off it, you're insulting your own intelligence as well as ours.

Look at the picture and tell me again that this was a brief send off for a much loved colleague.

It was quite clearly a substantial piss-up at a time of national lock down when no such gatherings were allowed. Others present were fined, and rightly so, and yet Boris, glass in hand, gets off.

And then tells parliament, quite specifically, that no rules were broken on that very day. A flat out lie.

Clearly whether you think that's an issue or not depends on how low your standards are.

The fact that you won't stick around to defend such a ridiculously weak argument says everything we need to know about its merits!

 

[rob9872]

Oh do come off it, you're insulting your own intelligence as well as ours.

Look at the picture and tell me again that this was a brief send off for a much loved colleague.

It was quite clearly a substantial piss-up at a time of national lock down when no such gatherings were allowed. Others present were fined, and rightly so, and yet Boris, glass in hand, gets off.

And then tells parliament, quite specifically, that no rules were broken on that very day. A flat out lie.

Clearly whether you think that's an issue or not depends on how low your standards are.

The fact that you won't stick around to defend such a ridiculously weak argument says everything we need to know about its merits!

My understanding is only one person was fined from that gathering, not many. The moment captured at the front where he's clearly giving a speech, you have no idea how long he was or wasn't there but have made your mind up on snapshot because it suits your agenda.

 

[fatso]

That's awfully sad Otis and if I thought for one minute Boris raising a glass to sat farewell to a colleague at the end of a working day would mean that you wouldn't have had to endure that or the old lady could have attended, I'd be right with you, but it clearly isn't the case.

It appears opinion is skewed based on whether people want him or not. the police have investigated and I don't believe for one minute they're as corrupt these days with so many standards to uphold and whistleblowers waiting for their moment to shine. If they deem that there isn't a case to answer, then I don't see why this instance should be big news, particularly after the same crowd suggesting Starmer and Rayner weren't at a party, despite booze, food and at 10pm no work done afterwards. Fwiw I don't have an issue with him doing that either, only raising for balance.

It's also incredibly disingenuous to wait for the report and then drip-feed another photo now. Have they suddenly come across this two years after an event when the whole partygate issue has already been rumbling on for close to a year? If there is more evidence get it out there. If there isn't then allow people to move on and govern. Whether you want them or not, I'm sure we can all agree that the time is better spent trying to implement policy and legislation over answering to yet another party accusation.

I'll now retreat for a period whilst the usual pile on ensues to pull this apart, extracts the part they disagree with and quotes it back to tell me it's all Boris' fault and gets 10 likes from all concerned.

Very well put.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

He could well have been on a soft drink, I don't know for certain as I didn't get an invite

His track record would say that it was most likely alcohol based.

 

[fatso]

Oh do come off it, you're insulting your own intelligence as well as ours.

Look at the picture and tell me again that this was a brief send off for a much loved colleague.

It was quite clearly a substantial piss-up at a time of national lock down when no such gatherings were allowed. Others present were fined, and rightly so, and yet Boris, glass in hand, gets off.

And then tells parliament, quite specifically, that no rules were broken on that very day. A flat out lie.

Clearly whether you think that's an issue or not depends on how low your standards are.

The fact that you won't stick around to defend such a ridiculously weak argument says everything we need to know about its merits!

And there you go again, anyone who dares to disagree with you has low standards.
Careful how you dismount that high horse!

 

[PVA]

My understanding is only one person was fined from that gathering, not many. The moment captured at the front where he's clearly giving a speech, you have no idea how long he was or wasn't there but have made your mind up on snapshot because it suits your agenda.

It doesn't matter how long he, or anyone, was there.

The 'snapshot' tells us all we need to know - it was an illegal gathering during full lockdown.

I don't know why that's so difficult for you to understand.

 

[rob9872]

It doesn't matter how long he, or anyone, was there.

The 'snapshot' tells us all we need to know - it was an illegal gathering during full lockdown.

I don't know why that's so difficult for you to understand.

Was it illegal? Why wasn't he prosecuted? Why only one fine? I guess you know significantly more based on that photo than the investigating team.

 

[duffer]

Quick question: Which bit of all of this stops the government in any way from taking decisive action on any other matter?

It's a fatuous argument, this Daily Mail "don't they know there's a war on" bullshit.

If anything all it proves is that we'd be better off moving on quickly to a leader who wasn't embroiled in endless scandal. Unfortunately that might be hard to find on the Tory 'party of law and order' front benches.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Exactly this.

It appears to be beyond some people (well, one person!) who apparently knows better than you or I why we think as we do...

 

[PVA]

Was it illegal? Why wasn't he prosecuted? Why only one fine? I guess you know significantly more based on that photo than the investigating team.

Was it illegal?

The fact you even need to ask that tells us you don't have even a remote grasp on the situation.

 

[rob9872]

Was it illegal?

The fact you even need to ask that tells us you don't have even a remote grasp on the situation.

Not at all. If it was illegal, prosecute. If it wasn't move on. You do realise that outside your union picket lines, many of us work in large open plan offices. Occasionally a board member or manager might call a halt whilst they address the office on any range of subjects and I'd suggest someone leaving falls into that category, but of course PVA knows best.

 

[duffer]

And there you go again, anyone who dares to disagree with you has low standards.
Careful how you dismount that high horse!

You've already said you're happy to tolerate lies and criminality from our MPs because they're basically all the same.

I don't need a high horse to rise above that, to get out of the gutter you just need to step on the kerb.

 

[shmmeee]

Not at all. If it was illegal, prosecute. If it wasn't move on. You do realise that outside your union picket lines, many of us work in large open plan offices. Occasionally a board member or manager might call a halt whilst they address the office on any range of subjects and I'd suggest someone leaving falls into that category, but of course PVA knows best.

“Union picket lines”

Fucking hell mate, it’s 2022.

 

[PVA]

Not at all. If it was illegal, prosecute. If it wasn't move on. You do realise that outside your union picket lines, many of us work in large open plan offices. Occasionally a board member or manager might call a halt whilst they address the office on any range of subjects and I'd suggest someone leaving falls into that category, but of course PVA knows best.

Union picket lines?!

I don't know why you keep making ridiculous hypothetical arguments about nurses toasting leaving staff, or board members in open plan offices. What the fuck does that have to do with the PM breaking his own rules by attending organised piss ups during national lockdown? Utterly irrelevant.

I am a board member, FWIW.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not at all. If it was illegal, prosecute. If it wasn't move on. You do realise that outside your union picket lines, many of us work in large open plan offices. Occasionally a board member or manager might call a halt whilst they address the office on any range of subjects and I'd suggest someone leaving falls into that category, but of course PVA knows best.

Our leavings were done via zoom. Only saw a friend who left during lockdown this weekend.

The alcohol I had for their leaving is now out of date.

 

[shmmeee]

Our leavings were done via zoom. Only saw a friend who left during lockdown this weekend.

The alcohol I had for their leaving is now out of date.

Same

 

[rob9872]

Ooh look at me, I'm more righteous than you are.

who can shout 'look at the nasty tories over there' first or loudest? Echo chamber. Boring.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Ooh look at me, I'm more righteous than you are.

who can shout 'look at the nasty tories over there' first or loudest? Echo chamber. Boring.

Your're coming across as a bit... what's the right word? Crass? Obnoxious? Patronising? Cunty?

I dunno, but a bit of a cock with no real understanding of how it might have affected some people.

You utter bellend.

 

[clint van damme]

Your're coming across as a bit... what's the right word? Crass? Obnoxious? Patronising? Cunty?

I dunno, but a bit of a cock with no real understanding of how it might have affected some people.

You utter bellend.

I like Rob but when it comes to defending Johnson he's absolutely blinkered and makes himself look a right fool.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Same

Still, at least I was able to see them at my wedding.

Oh no, how could I forget, I couldn't!

But that apparently makes me self-righteous, eh.

 

[rob9872]

Your're coming across as a bit... what's the right word? Crass? Obnoxious? Patronising? Cunty?

I dunno, but a bit of a cock with no real understanding of how it might have affected some people.

You utter bellend.

Ooh good name-calling. Surprised nobody has offered me out for a fight yet, surely only a matter of time if I continue to swim against the tide.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I like Rob but when it comes to defending Johnson he's absolutely blinkered and makes himself look a right fool.

Hey, the psychological effects of various things during lockdown are just playing politics though and being a self-righteous cock, rather than wanting the person who made the rules, to keep to the rules, and not to lie through his teeth.

I mean, I don't think it's a high bar to expect the leader of the country to keep to the rules he set himself, and asked other people to keep to. They keep bringing Thatcher up as an ideal, she'd have bombed him out of her cabinet straight away, on the small offchance he somehow managed to weazle his way in there in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I also don't think it was illegal to drink during lockdown. Perhaps it's the choice of beverage rather than the occasion that the jealous are

Ooh good name-calling. Surprised nobody has offered me out for a fight yet, surely only a matter of time if I continue to swim against the tide.

c**t. Stop acting like a prize twat then, and then I'kll talk to you nicely. I've tried, but you've doubled down like a total prick.

 

[PVA]

Ooh look at me, I'm more righteous than you are.

who can shout 'look at the nasty tories over there' first or loudest? Echo chamber. Boring.

It's nothing to do with righteousness ffs

You just don't get it. Either through sheer stupidity or blind love for Boris Johnson, I'm not sure which.

 

[rob9872]

Still, at least I was able to see them at my wedding.

Oh no, how could I forget, I couldn't!

But that apparently makes me self-righteous, eh.

I'm more sympathetic to Otis and his mum's funeral. A wedding could be held any time and is about the bride and groom not how many attendees, but if that was the most important factor you could have chosen to wait.

 

[SBT]

Many people worked through lockdown, I did.

If a nurse was retiring and a senior colleague toasted them at the end of their final shift, would you hold the same opinion?

Even Michael Fabricant didn't have the chutzpah to carry on with this argument:

Michael Fabricant apologises to teachers over ‘quiet drink during lockdown’ comments

The Tory MP said he did not mean to cause offence and applauded the work of the profession in ‘difficult, and sometimes impossible, conditions’.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm more sympathetic to Otis and his mum's funeral. A wedding could be held any time and is about the bride and groom not how many attendees, but if that was the most important factor you could have chosen to wait.

How about not seeing my Mum when she was seriously ill and I thought she'd die? How about not being able to comfort my Dad as he breaks down? How about him seeing her go into the hospital and the doors close behind him as he stands in the cold, rain, dark, and wonders if he'll ever see his wife of 50+ years again, after they've had to wait outside for 4-5 hours? How about not being able to get help myself as *I* break down after two years of having *something* to worry about constantly? How about the effects are still with me now? How about the fact that your attitude brings it all back, the feeling of being alone, isolated, and the fact that nobody is there to help?

Good enough for you on the sliding scale? *I'm* more sympathetic to Otis, but don't patronise me by grading me and try and show the smallest amount of empathy. There are many who had it far worse than me, but it seems you don't want to acknowledge anything, and it's showing you in the light of being a total bastard. How about acknowledging there are probably plenty of people on this board who will keep things private, instead of deciding they're all playing politics? How about accepting that the Prime Minister being a two-faced lying devious cock (hardly surprising, mind) may cause very real anger in some, whether he's Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, or Loony,

 

[PVA]

I'm more sympathetic to Otis and his mum's funeral. A wedding could be held any time and is about the bride and groom not how many attendees, but if that was the most important factor you could have chosen to wait.

You should stop digging. Telling someone what's important on their wedding day is not a good look.

 

[rob9872]

How about not seeing my Mum when she was seriously ill and I thought she'd die? How about not being able to comfort my Dad as he breaks down? How about him seeing her go into the hospital and the doors close behind him as he stands in the cold, rain, dark, and wonders if he'll ever see his wife of 50+ years again, after they've had to wait outside for 4-5 hours? How about not being able to get help myself as *I* break down after two years of having *something* to worry about constantly? How about the effects are still with me now? How about the fact that your attitude brings it all back, the feeling of being alone, isolated, and the fact that nobody is there to help?

Good enough for you on the sliding scale? *I'm* more sympathetic to Otis, but don't patronise me by grading me and try and show the smallest amount of empathy. There are many who had it far worse than me, but it seems you don't want to acknowledge anything, and it's showing you in the light of being a total bastard.

And all of those things you listed above are more important than the guests at your wedding, but guess what, I don't know you or read every post on this thread to know how you or anybody else suffered and I'd not have responded in such a crass manner as I didn't to Otis had you mentioned any of those instead, but you chose to highlight the wedding.

I think I'll leave this now, it's not good for my sanity and we're unlikely to agree or with anyone else. In fact this thread is a bit like Eastenders, you can miss hundreds of episodes but then catch up in about 5 minutyes later on. I'll leave you all to your arguing and be back to see what's happened when the footie season starts over.

I may have a small gathering and a few beers over the summer which I think is ok now, hopefully no fines.

Toodlepip.

 

[rob9872]

You should stop digging. Telling someone what's important on their wedding day is not a good look.

I think in response to the name-calling it was justified, but also nothing to do with you and your big shit-stirring stick.

Byeeeee, enjoy your summer PVA, it's been emotional.

 

[shmmeee]

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