skybluetony176
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I also see that airline bosses are lining up off the back of Shapps media round this morning to confirm that brexit is a major factor in the airport chaos in the UK.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Who won the election over there G?
So you admit it's going terribly then. Glad we agree.
Grendel
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No one. And no one is in Stormont
Brighton Sky Blue
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Yes because of the DUP being upset over a direct consequence of Brexit.
clint van damme
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Simon Calder said the same and I think Shapps may have tried to contradict him so now he's getting put in his place.
To be fair, and in the interest of balance, the restrictions that remained in place in the travel industry after furlough had ended and everyone else was back at work have also been a huge facor, the perfect (shit) storm.
Agree with this. There has been minimal planning, acknowledgment or addressing many of the issues. There’s no excuse for this 6 years after the vote.
skybluetony176
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Not even remotely true. The first minister is a Sinn Fein first minister because they won the assembly election to be the largest party. That’s how the system works. The assembly isn’t sitting because the DUP ironically given your claims didn’t get the brexit they voted for.
Of course they’d say that. Rather than them being greedy, laying off rather than retaining and paying furlough balance. It’s funny they didn’t mention that when they were begging the government to fully reopen air travel ?!
Like a lot of things, of course brexit hasn’t helped/made it worse but for airline bosses to use that as the excuse is pathetic
I’d excuse them more if this was immediately after the reopening, they’ve had months to sort their shit out
Exactly. So I don't know why Leavers aren't demanding more rather than just accepting it and pretending Brexit is wonderful or this is what they voted for!
Grendel
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Grendel
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The majority of red wall voters turned to Johnson purely as as left the eu
They wanted an ideological principal and that’s what they wanted. No one cares about anything about it now who have voted leave in those areas. Even Starmer isn’t that stupid
So the discussion is pointless as neither party would vote to return
Most of these voters wanted the ideology of Get Brexit Done and most will accept inconvenience as a justification for what they wanted
I agree with the Get Brexit done point because everyone was sick of the stalemate in parliament. Still a disgrace. However, I think most people would prefer a practical/flexible Brexit rather than one based more on the ideological extreme of the minority. Like many Remainers would’ve been better accepting the result and working towards delivering a Brexit that acknowledges the country’s wishes whilst retaining a close relationship with the EU
As I’ve said though, before and since the vote the extremes have controlled the debate
Grendel
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Remainers never will accept it - this thread is still droning on even though no one on here even wants to get a party to campaign for a return - as they know that brings oblivion
Sick Boy
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It’s highly doubtful that Britain would ever rejoin.
I do expect it to rejoin the Single Market within the next 15 years though.
Sick Boy
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The EEA option would have been the fairest compromise and wouldn’t have led the country where it is today.
Sick Boy
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No idea, I’ve never watched it.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Got the money to look at bringing back imperial measurements though, which is of course one of the biggest barriers to us getting trade deals...
Sick Boy
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The username is from the film, Trainspotting.So it’s nothing to do with your username then?maybe someone will explain before I get banned again
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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No, because they'd never be able to admit that
a) they'd been that wrong in the first place
b) they'd been played for fools
c) that there is anything other than British exceptionalism and that the EU (or any other international bloc) will ever be better.
They might just about say that this Brexit isn't giving them what they wanted, but not that Brexit can't provide it. It'll be the way it's been handled, not the actual act of leaving itself, that they will see as the problem.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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The issue on European membership was a closed done decision in 1975...
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I assume it's a Trainspotting character.So it’s nothing to do with your username then?
Sick Boy
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It's a very noble - I didn't see him, no, but I see him in my dreams most nights.
stupot07
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‘Weakness’ of UK position shaped Northern Ireland protocol negotiations, David Frost says
Former Brexit negotiator criticises Irish government’s focus on ‘all-island’ economy
Wtf..
Frost said the deal he negotiated while in Johnson’s government would have run smoothly only if it had never been fully applied by the EU
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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And how do you feel about that , Tony ? It must surely make you feel very happy to a large extent .
skybluetony176
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The problem is Steve there was initially a consensus in parliament but May wouldn’t work cross party and decided to hold an I’ll advised GE. Suggestions of a peoples parliament were dismissed to draw a consensus on what brexit should look like. All evidence is no one got the brexit they voted for because no one was ever asked. I know someone who’s only ever voted twice in their life. Once at the referendum where they voted remain and in 2019 where they voted for Boris. Not because they believed in Boris, not because they believed in the oven ready deal but because they wanted brexit done and rid of the uncertainty. Neither of which has happened.
skybluetony176
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Not really. Like most people I’m looking forward to my first foreign holiday in 3 years this summer. The only emotion I feel is worry, worry that this won’t be sorted in time and we have a government so tied into the ideology that’s partly to blame for this crisis they’ll spend the next 2 months in denial rather than dealing with the issue.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Frankly the airlines & airports can fuck right off. They can try & blame this calamitous government or the shitshow of the brexit "deal" but the plain truth of the matter is both the airlines & airports have greedily gobbled up a load of free furlough cash designed to retain staff, but then laid said staff off.....then massively over-sold flights they had no way of delivering whilst not planning for or paying more to recruit the additional staff required....
Fuck the airlines & fuck the airports. Cheeky furlough-thieving profiteering cunts.
Fuck the airlines & fuck the airports. Cheeky furlough-thieving profiteering cunts.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Correct.
I came through Calais (legally) on Thursday and out of 18 booths for UK Border, only 2 were open. Go through the airports in Europe and it is a very similar story with border control and dispatch staff etc. I can see the summer holidays being a right shit show.
fernandopartridge
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To be fair to them the furlough was wound up months ahead of travel going back to anything like pre pandemic levels. Also, airports still worked at eg Manchester 10% of passenger numbers yet all the regulated work still needed to be done, have a look at the Manchester Airport Group accounts, furlough doesn't even touch the sides of their losses
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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That, Sir, is altogether the single best post I've read in a long time.
skybluetony176
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So. Does this mean that the NHS isn’t getting its £360M a week?
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