USSR invades Ukraine. (13 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

How do you define “western soil”?

Ukrainian is a democratic European country. Is that not a western country?

 

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[Deleted member 9744]

How do you define “western soil”?

Ukrainian is a democratic European country. Is that not a western country?

I think he means Nato country.

 

[PVA]

Lads Finland ain’t joining nato

Lads Kyiv will fall within days

 

[skybluetony176]

I think he means Nato country.

Which makes even less sense because he’s green lighting Russia invading Ireland for example.

 

[Grendel]

Lads Kyiv will fall within days

@fernandopartridge did ask a sensible question - will you answer it?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Which makes even less sense because he’s green lighting Russia invading Ireland for example.

Because that's really likely

 

[David O'Day]

Looking at the losses the Russians are still having inflicted on them and the age of the equipment they are having to ready someone should teach Putin about Pyrrhus of Epirus.

 

[skybluetony176]

Because that's really likely

Clearly not but Ireland isn’t the only European country that isn’t a NATO member.

 

[Grendel]

What does a win look like?

@PVA this is a reply to your post can you answer please?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Clearly not but Ireland isn’t the only European country that isn’t a NATO member.

Of course not but Putin wouldn't be interested in any that wasn't a part of the former Soviet Union

 

[PVA]

@PVA this is a reply to your post can you answer please?

A 'win' would be forcing Russian troops out of Ukraine. That's pretty obvious. Sadly that's going to take a long time and result in an awful lot of casualties for both sides.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Why don't we look at negotiating a peace deal before anymore lines get crossed

Makes sense but Zelensky seems pretty adament that he won't give up any land, which is what this is all about. I think realistically he'll need to be convinced that we can't prop him up forever and, to give Putin some kind of face saving, he may have to concede the East? Perhaps not a case of who blinks first but who has the mental will to keep going. The Russian public seem brainwashed by the state, would they put up with hardship longer than the rest of Europe? Cost of living, petrol, energy ... and we're not as reliant as some countries. Perhaps find a loophole for Zelensky saying if he signs the dombas over, and without an internal conflict in Ukraine, they can apply for NATO membership and at least have some proper protection in future.

 

[Grendel]

The ultimate question is “what does a win ln this war look like” - so what is it?

 

[Grendel]

Also the observations and comments regarding what needs doing by @Evo1883 are spot on and shine out against the dick waving nonsense that dominates this thread

 

[skybluetony176]

Of course not but Putin wouldn't be interested in any that wasn't a part of the former Soviet Union

So basically Ukraine is right in wanting to join the EU and NATO. There’s much smaller ex soviet countries who have done that and he’s not invading them.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

So basically Ukraine is right in wanting to join the EU and NATO. There’s much smaller ex soviet countries who have done that and he’s not invading them.

Of course

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So mediation including zelensky agreeing to Russian take over of occupied territories to Russia is something you’d support?

It’s the only possible answer ultimately to talk

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Not sure global food shortages and poverty are a price worth paying for a country like Ukraine ? so ultimately at some point decisions will have to be made

Real talk

Putin is clearly trying to goad the west into conflict.

I'm certain the man is very seriously ill, possibly terminally.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Why don't we look at negotiating a peace deal before anymore lines get crossed

Negotiating peace is a two-way thing. And Putin seems to be clear that Ukraine under Russian control is the only thing he will accept. If he gets that he then just invades the next place and do we just keep on negotiating peace by giving him what he wants as he expands further and further?

It's the Neville Chamberlain argument. "You had a choice between dishonour and war. You chose dishonour and you shall have war."

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

At some point , when people are struggling to pay for food and their bills are even more ridiculous .. they will become angry at their leaders for continuing to plow billions into a foreign war thats helping cause it .. we arent at that point yet .. it's what I'm getting at really.

What do you think happens if we don't plow money into that war? Putin gets control of a huge amount of agricultural land and supply, which he can then weaponise by cutting the amount sent to other nation and/or to feed his own people. So prices here could well be worse than they are now. Or do we just start bowing down to Putin to keep the bread coming over?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If Putin enters western soil clearly then. Frankly though by then he’s armies depleted and exhausted so really it’s not happening

I answered it. Ukraine on its own isn’t abs never will be worth shedding a single uk life for.

A settlement needs to be agreed at some point and the west needs to be honest. It will not ever support Ukraine but it should look to broker a deal to surrender land to Russia and force a peace of sorts through diplomacy

Given the potential food crisis and how much of that comes from the region this may well end up affecting us a lot.

As for a settlement, any deal to surrender land will just embolden Putin, he will send his 'separatists' further in and displace the local population until such time as apparently it wants to secede. And we're back where we started just a bit further in and that 'diplomatic peace' is proven to be nothing but a sham. "Peace in our time."

I sure as hell don't want a full on war, but I'm also not naive enough to think Putin will ever stop. History is filled with warnings of others with his mindset and that is always what happens until they're stopped.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Looking at the losses the Russians are still having inflicted on them and the age of the equipment they are having to ready someone should teach Putin about Pyrrhus of Epirus.

I shouldn't think he'd give a shit.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I shouldn't think he'd give a shit.

He looks more like Xerxes of Persia to me. Not just because of the use of overwhelming numbers to compensate for shit tactics, but…

 

[Grendel]

I shouldn't think he'd give a shit.

Perhaps David could go and teach Vladimir the lesson. take Gerry with him. It’s all over he surrenders - peace in our time

 

[Grendel]

Given the potential food crisis and how much of that comes from the region this may well end up affecting us a lot.

As for a settlement, any deal to surrender land will just embolden Putin, he will send his 'separatists' further in and displace the local population until such time as apparently it wants to secede. And we're back where we started just a bit further in and that 'diplomatic peace' is proven to be nothing but a sham. "Peace in our time."

I sure as hell don't want a full on war, but I'm also not naive enough to think Putin will ever stop. History is filled with warnings of others with his mindset and that is always what happens until they're stopped.

Of course he will stop. He has an outdated military - his mindset isn’t world domination - it’s a mindset of taking a land he thinks is russias - you overblow his threat - unless we decide to bomb Russia

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Putin is clearly trying to goad the west into conflict.

I'm certain the man is very seriously ill, possibly terminally.

I keep hearing this and despite the fact that Putin looks a bit bloated or overweight, I haven't come across anything to suggest he's in any way ill. . Mad yes, but I think we're all a bit wishful thinking . Pity really.

 

[shmmeee]

I keep hearing this and despite the fact that Putin looks a bit bloated or overweight, I haven't come across anything to suggest he's in any way ill. . Mad yes, but I think we're all a bit wishful thinking . Pity really.

Hes got a bit of steroid Moonface, which could be medical or could just be a twat on steroids.

 

[Kieranp96]

I keep hearing this and despite the fact that Putin looks a bit bloated or overweight, I haven't come across anything to suggest he's in any way ill. . Mad yes, but I think we're all a bit wishful thinking . Pity really.

Us intelligence released statement like 3 weeks ago saying he was treated for cancer in February and April

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Us intelligence released statement like 3 weeks ago saying he was treated for cancer in February and April

That's bad news then. The treatment.

 

[fatso]

According to all the front line action clips on YouTube, you'd be forgiven for thinking Russia must have no men of fighting age left in the whole country!

 

[Kieranp96]

According to all the front line action clips on YouTube, you'd be forgiven for thinking Russia must have no men of fighting age left in the whole country!

And to think Ukraine have nearly 1million trained fighting age men ready to go at the end of the month, if they get the weapons they require I think it will be a very very high death toll but Ukraine victory by end of summer

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And to think Ukraine have nearly 1million trained fighting age men ready to go at the end of the month, if they get the weapons they require I think it will be a very very high death toll but Ukraine victory by end of summer

Do you see that as re-taking Crimea as well as everything else?

 

[Kieranp96]

Do you see that as re-taking Crimea as well as everything else?

Doubt it, but I think they could if they really wanted to, I just don’t see the point most there are already probably Russian brainwashed

 

[fatso]

And to think Ukraine have nearly 1million trained fighting age men ready to go at the end of the month, if they get the weapons they require I think it will be a very very high death toll but Ukraine victory by end of summer

I hate to say it, but I think the west will drip feed only enough military hardware to keep Ukrain in the fight. It suits NATO (the Americans mainly) to see Russia worn down both militarily and financially, and that requires a long war of attrician which will mean multi million dollar arms contracts. Which will benefit western economies during a time of recession.
(Ironically a recession partly caused by the same war) it's a fucked up world we live in.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I hate to say it, but I think the west will drip feed only enough military hardware to keep Ukrain in the fight. It suits NATO (the Americans mainly) to see Russia worn down both militarily and financially, and that requires a long war of attrician which will mean multi million dollar arms contracts. Which will benefit western economies during a time of recession.
(Ironically a recession partly caused by the same war) it's a fucked up world we live in.

Good post. The US always likes a war at a time of recession.