What the fuck has happened to England (12 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Bobby Robson matched that and Alf Ramsay bettered it.

So, one manager 30 years earlier, and one over 50 years earlier. And both of those are renowned as being shit for England, of course.

Yep, that's an argument that says Southgate is out of his depth, even more so when one had home advantage and that doesn't count apparently...

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree on the centre backs. Shaw and James are both good enough

A shame that Chilwell got such a nasty injury too. But pinning the strategy on defensive play makes no sense with the available players.

 

[David O'Day]

They’ve done more than he did at Middlesbrough

They have shown nothing to show they would be any better or any worse. In fact Lampards time at Chelsea was tainted by his criminal inability to organise a defence even when he had good defenders.

Also they have shown nothing that shows they want the job either

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Anyway, I didn't want Southgate when he was appointed - his record with Middlesbrough was terrible. But, ultimately, he's outperformed just about every England manager before him. That, much like Robins with City, gives him a certain leeway in suggesting he does know what he's doing. Would I set up as he does? Nope. But then playing like Keegan had us playing didn't really work.

For me it's about getting the best out of the available resources. We have in Foden, Grealish, Bellingham, Maddison (I'll include Mount for now), Saka, Bowen etc etc and yet he has a defence that passes sideways all the time and fills the middle of the park with 'workers' Gallagher, Ward-Prowse, Phillips, Rice (who is a good player). Lots of passing sideways and playing safe and just hoping that possession will win us the game. As someone elsewhere on here said, I'll die on this hill re: Maddison - he's better than at least 5 of the players that I've listed and would have a field day with the amount of possession England have.

 

[Otis]

A shame that Chilwell got such a nasty injury too. But pinning the strategy on defensive play makes no sense with the available players.

I agree

And I don't think Maguire is anywhere near good enough..

Guehi looks like he may be one for the future and I like Tomori too.

Stones makes too many mistakes for England unfortunately. I like him a lot, but he has better players around him at Man City.

 

[David O'Day]

So, one manager 30 years earlier, and one over 50 years earlier. And both of those are renowned as being shit for England, of course.

Yep, that's an argument that says Southgate is out of his depth, even more so when one had home advantage and that doesn't count apparently...

To be fair Robson was getting pelters from the late 80s versions of BSB before that world cup.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

For me it's about getting the best out of the available resources.

And I'd say having an average position of 3 in major tournaments is getting the best out of resources.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So, one manager 30 years earlier, and one over 50 years earlier. And both of those are renowned as being shit for England, of course.

Yep, that's an argument that says Southgate is out of his depth, even more so when one had home advantage and that doesn't count apparently...

Sorry NW you’re right. It’s all about results and years of the same turgid performances don’t matter. We lost the final because Southgate stuck to his hyper defensive guns. We got beat by Croatia also after having taken the lead.

Kevin Keegan did not have the talent available to him that Mr Marks and Spencer does.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

To be fair Robson was getting pelters from the late 80s versions of BSB before that world cup.

He was. An effective quarter final place in the 88 Euros was considered a dismal failure, despite the fact we hadn't even qualified for the one before.

 

[Otis]

For me it's about getting the best out of the available resources. We have in Foden, Grealish, Bellingham, Maddison (I'll include Mount for now), Saka, Bowen etc etc and yet he has a defence that passes sideways all the time and fills the middle of the park with 'workers' Gallagher, Ward-Prowse, Phillips, Rice (who is a good player). Lots of passing sideways and playing safe and just hoping that possession will win us the game. As someone elsewhere on here said, I'll die on this hill re: Maddison - he's better than at least 5 of the players that I've listed and would have a field day with the amount of possession England have.

Tonight, the ball goes into the midfield area and it comes straight back without thought. No-one really willing to push forwards with the ball.

First thought, back to where the ball came from

 

[no_loyalty]

So, semi finals at the World Cup? Home advantage there?

TBF any decent team at that tournament we either lost or drew against.

 

[Evo1883]

We're a tough watch at the moment . May well go onto win but have been relatively poor over the last 3 and a half matches

 

[Otis]

We're a tough watch at the moment . May well go onto win bit have been relatively poor over the last 3 and a half matches

We have

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

We're a tough watch at the moment . May well go onto win bit have been relatively poor over the last 3 and a half matches

Thank you Evo - summed up my thoughts without me having to ramble on about it.

 

[David O'Day]

Basically you can argue tactics but realistically there aren't any better managers who would want the England job

 

[FulltimeWum]

And I'd say having an average position of 3 in major tournaments is getting the best out of resources.

Which matches did you watch in either tournament?

 

[Evo1883]

And I'd say having an average position of 3 in major tournaments is getting the best out of resources.

There is an argument to be made that we've had comfortable draws in the last 2 tournaments .. this is his record v semi decent sides

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Which matches did you watch in either tournament?

More of my team than Spanish fans did of their's.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Obviously my main passion is City, but I do invest my time and care about England. I have, however, started to feel like some club fans who want their team to lose, so that the manager will get the boot. I just want Southgate to be able to motivate/affect the game more than he does. I also want England to be more adventurous. If not, put Mike Bassett in charge.

 

[FulltimeWum]

I'd ignore the Belgium in that list. They are another chronic waste of energy on the national stage. Flat track bullies who employ media yes men.

 

[FulltimeWum]

And Gallagher plays kick and chase to Sterling after a hoof from Stones.

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Its like watching a Cov clone but worse

 

[Evo1883]

I think we will atleast draw this from here , well we should anyway

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Did the commentator just say it was over 6 hours since we'd scored from open play?!

 

[Evo1883]

Did the commentator just say it was over 6 hours since we'd scored from open play?!

Yes it's a terrible stat

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Basically you can argue tactics but realistically there aren't any better managers who would want the England job

Kenny Jackett

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Saka with a worse touch than his Euro losing penalty

 

[FulltimeWum]

It has to be on purpose, the England clumsy defenders are hitting what can only be described as Sand Wedge esque up and under passes, whilst Reece James keeps trying to find an over lap that isn't there.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Styles plays for Hungary? Since when?

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Styles plays for Hungary? Since when?

Since Barnsley replaced Budapest as Hungary's capital - I was surprised to find that fact on wikipedia

 

[FulltimeWum]

Its like watching a Cov clone but worse

Coventry play more flat forward balls, a la through the lines. The idea being to hasten the transition from defence to attack. Also the reason we score more during injury time. Between each England move their is enough time for Grendel and his Dubai lover to have another barrage.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Probably score now, but what does Phillips bring to a game like this, when you have a lot of the ball - seriously, wouldn't people sooner see Maddison out there.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Why are you bothering to get yourselves worked up about a friendly tournament where the players don't give a shit after a long season shortly before a new one.

Did you go on a 3 day bender to celebrate us winning Le Tournoi or do you all only give a shit about nothing games when it gives you the chance to endlessly moan?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Boooooooo

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Why are you bothering to get yourselves worked up about a friendly tournament where the players don't give a shit after a long season shortly before a new one.

Did you go on a 3 day bender to celebrate us winning Le Tournoi or do you all only give a shit about nothing games when it gives you the chance to endlessly moan?

No its just not very encouraging to see us playing this shit when we have a World Cup round the corner